The scale of Villain schemes in Superhero Movies

[November Rain]

Let's look at the kinda scale people are operating at or trying to destroy in superhero movies to get a perspective of What kinda threat or type of villains we've been seeing.

let's start at the beginning


Lex Luthor- National threat looking for damage of the United States to form his own territories (based on both the original supes and also returns)

Zod - Came across as a National threat but could have potentially been a world wide one...

Super Computer in supes 3 - I can't totally recall but this was simply a superman based threat or at the very most a small region threat, although if a nuclear bomb was released, it couldn't be at most a state based threat.

Nuclear man- not sure of this one...

let's look at bats now

Batman - Joker was a city wide threat

Batman Returns - Penguin was a city wide threat. Catwoman was a threat on a personal level.

Batman Forever - Riddler and Two-Face were city wide threats

Batman and Robin - Mr Freeze was a city wide threat, Poison Ivy i think was more along the lines of a personal level threat

Batman begins - Ra's Al Ghul was a city wide threat, not sure about the scarecrow though.

fairly similar trend for batman films...


now let's look at blade films

Blade - Frost was potentially a world wide threat but he only acted as a personal level one to blade. I can settle on him being a city level threat.

Blade 2 - Nomak was a personal level threat

Blade 3 - I don't know what the hell Drako was doing in this movie, someone can help me out here...

Quick look at X-men

X-men -With Mags looking to take out delegates, I would say he was working at an International threat level here

X-men 2 - definitely with cerebro, it was a worldwide threat

X-men 3 - The pheonix and magneto kinda downgraded here and were never shown to be anything more than a potential threat to Sanfransisco so it was merely city level (at best) here although I would go down as far as saying a small regional threat to the people on alcatraz.

now let's look at the spidey films

Spidey - Osborn was more of a personal threat more than anything but he did have his goals set on the city, didn't see him expanding anymore than that but he was occupied with looking after his own and making sure that no one stood in his way. I could downgrade him to a business takeover based threats or something along those lines.

Spidey 2 - Although ock himself was working at a personal threat level, He experiments rise him to potentially being at a City level threat region although i doubt those were ever his intentions to purposely harm anyone.

Spidey 3 - I see personal threat levels all surrounding this one with all the main villains and dark spidey


Hulk - I say David Banner was more pissed off at general ross and the army more than anyone else, i would put this one down to a threat to the national service on a national level but i couldnt see him being a threat to the inhabitants, he was more of a personal level threat to ross and bruce more than anything.

Incredibles - Potential International threat here, or at least to the westernised world with the eradication of old heroes and with the purchasing of his inventions that could bring the world to its knees. But he only displayed a city wide threat in the film.






there are 20 films there feel free to add others...


can you see a pattern emerging by any chance?

I almost want to do a 'Hero motivation' thread in comparison

 

[jrpstarwars]

Let's look at the kinda scale people are operating at or trying to destroy in superhero movies to get a perspective of What kinda threat or type of villains we've been seeing.

let's start at the beginning


Lex Luthor- National threat looking for damage of the United States to form his own territories (based on both the original supes and also returns)

Zod - Came across as a National threat but could have potentially been a world wide one...

Super Computer in supes 3 - I can't totally recall but this was simply a superman based threat or at the very most a small region threat, although if a nuclear bomb was released, it couldn't be at most a state based threat.

Nuclear man- not sure of this one...

let's look at bats now

Batman - Joker was a city wide threat

Batman Returns - Penguin was a city wide threat. Catwoman was a threat on a personal level.

Batman Forever - Riddler and Two-Face were city wide threats

Batman and Robin - Mr Freeze was a city wide threat, Poison Ivy i think was more along the lines of a personal level threat

Batman begins - Ra's Al Ghul was a city wide threat, not sure about the scarecrow though.

fairly similar trend for batman films...


now let's look at blade films

Blade - Frost was potentially a world wide threat but he only acted as a personal level one to blade. I can settle on him being a city level threat.

Blade 2 - Nomak was a personal level threat

Blade 3 - I don't know what the hell Drako was doing in this movie, someone can help me out here...

Quick look at X-men

X-men -With Mags looking to take out delegates, I would say he was working at an International threat level here

X-men 2 - definitely with cerebro, it was a worldwide threat

X-men 3 - The pheonix and magneto kinda downgraded here and were never shown to be anything more than a potential threat to Sanfransisco so it was merely city level (at best) here although I would go down as far as saying a small regional threat to the people on alcatraz.

now let's look at the spidey films

Spidey - Osborn was more of a personal threat more than anything but he did have his goals set on the city, didn't see him expanding anymore than that but he was occupied with looking after his own and making sure that no one stood in his way. I could downgrade him to a business takeover based threats or something along those lines.

Spidey 2 - Although ock himself was working at a personal threat level, He experiments rise him to potentially being at a City level threat region although i doubt those were ever his intentions to purposely harm anyone.

Spidey 3 - I see personal threat levels all surrounding this one with all the main villains and dark spidey


Hulk - I say David Banner was more pissed off at general ross and the army more than anyone else, i would put this one down to a threat to the national service on a national level but i couldnt see him being a threat to the inhabitants, he was more of a personal level threat to ross and bruce more than anything.

Incredibles - Potential International threat here, or at least to the westernised world with the eradication of old heroes and with the purchasing of his inventions that could bring the world to its knees. But he only displayed a city wide threat in the film.






there are 20 films there feel free to add others...


can you see a pattern emerging by any chance?



I almost want to do a 'Hero motivation' thread in comparison

 

[3dman27]

Let's look at the kinda scale people are operating at or trying to destroy in superhero movies to get a perspective of What kinda threat or type of villains we've been seeing.

let's start at the beginning


Lex Luthor- National threat looking for damage of the United States to form his own territories (based on both the original supes and also returns)

Zod - Came across as a National threat but could have potentially been a world wide one...

Super Computer in supes 3 - I can't totally recall but this was simply a superman based threat or at the very most a small region threat, although if a nuclear bomb was released, it couldn't be at most a state based threat.

Nuclear man- not sure of this one...

let's look at bats now

Batman - Joker was a city wide threat

Batman Returns - Penguin was a city wide threat. Catwoman was a threat on a personal level.

Batman Forever - Riddler and Two-Face were city wide threats

Batman and Robin - Mr Freeze was a city wide threat, Poison Ivy i think was more along the lines of a personal level threat

Batman begins - Ra's Al Ghul was a city wide threat, not sure about the scarecrow though.

fairly similar trend for batman films...


now let's look at blade films

Blade - Frost was potentially a world wide threat but he only acted as a personal level one to blade. I can settle on him being a city level threat.

Blade 2 - Nomak was a personal level threat

Blade 3 - I don't know what the hell Drako was doing in this movie, someone can help me out here...

Quick look at X-men

X-men -With Mags looking to take out delegates, I would say he was working at an International threat level here

X-men 2 - definitely with cerebro, it was a worldwide threat

X-men 3 - The pheonix and magneto kinda downgraded here and were never shown to be anything more than a potential threat to Sanfransisco so it was merely city level (at best) here although I would go down as far as saying a small regional threat to the people on alcatraz.

now let's look at the spidey films

Spidey - Osborn was more of a personal threat more than anything but he did have his goals set on the city, didn't see him expanding anymore than that but he was occupied with looking after his own and making sure that no one stood in his way. I could downgrade him to a business takeover based threats or something along those lines.

Spidey 2 - Although ock himself was working at a personal threat level, He experiments rise him to potentially being at a City level threat region although i doubt those were ever his intentions to purposely harm anyone.

Spidey 3 - I see personal threat levels all surrounding this one with all the main villains and dark spidey


Hulk - I say David Banner was more pissed off at general ross and the army more than anyone else, i would put this one down to a threat to the national service on a national level but i couldnt see him being a threat to the inhabitants, he was more of a personal level threat to ross and bruce more than anything.

Incredibles - Potential International threat here, or at least to the westernised world with the eradication of old heroes and with the purchasing of his inventions that could bring the world to its knees. But he only displayed a city wide threat in the film.






there are 20 films there feel free to add others...


can you see a pattern emerging by any chance?

I almost want to do a 'Hero motivation' thread in comparison

go for it

 

[November Rain]

no one want's to discuss or scrutinise my observations...

 

[Dr. Fate]

Let's look at the kinda scale people are operating at or trying to destroy in superhero movies to get a perspective of What kinda threat or type of villains we've been seeing.

let's start at the beginning


Lex Luthor- National threat looking for damage of the United States to form his own territories (based on both the original supes and also returns)

Zod - Came across as a National threat but could have potentially been a world wide one...

Super Computer in supes 3 - I can't totally recall but this was simply a superman based threat or at the very most a small region threat, although if a nuclear bomb was released, it couldn't be at most a state based threat.

Nuclear man- not sure of this one...

let's look at bats now

Batman - Joker was a city wide threat

Batman Returns - Penguin was a city wide threat. Catwoman was a threat on a personal level.

Batman Forever - Riddler and Two-Face were city wide threats

Batman and Robin - Mr Freeze was a city wide threat, Poison Ivy i think was more along the lines of a personal level threat

Batman begins - Ra's Al Ghul was a city wide threat, not sure about the scarecrow though.

fairly similar trend for batman films...


now let's look at blade films

Blade - Frost was potentially a world wide threat but he only acted as a personal level one to blade. I can settle on him being a city level threat.

Blade 2 - Nomak was a personal level threat

Blade 3 - I don't know what the hell Drako was doing in this movie, someone can help me out here...

Quick look at X-men

X-men -With Mags looking to take out delegates, I would say he was working at an International threat level here

X-men 2 - definitely with cerebro, it was a worldwide threat

X-men 3 - The pheonix and magneto kinda downgraded here and were never shown to be anything more than a potential threat to Sanfransisco so it was merely city level (at best) here although I would go down as far as saying a small regional threat to the people on alcatraz.

now let's look at the spidey films

Spidey - Osborn was more of a personal threat more than anything but he did have his goals set on the city, didn't see him expanding anymore than that but he was occupied with looking after his own and making sure that no one stood in his way. I could downgrade him to a business takeover based threats or something along those lines.

Spidey 2 - Although ock himself was working at a personal threat level, He experiments rise him to potentially being at a City level threat region although i doubt those were ever his intentions to purposely harm anyone.

Spidey 3 - I see personal threat levels all surrounding this one with all the main villains and dark spidey


Hulk - I say David Banner was more pissed off at general ross and the army more than anyone else, i would put this one down to a threat to the national service on a national level but i couldnt see him being a threat to the inhabitants, he was more of a personal level threat to ross and bruce more than anything.

Incredibles - Potential International threat here, or at least to the westernised world with the eradication of old heroes and with the purchasing of his inventions that could bring the world to its knees. But he only displayed a city wide threat in the film.






there are 20 films there feel free to add others...


can you see a pattern emerging by any chance?

I almost want to do a 'Hero motivation' thread in comparison

Do you have a preference between the personal threats and the global/international/world wide threats?

You do a good job of listing the threats - I wouldn't mind reading the hero motivation thread - but I'm not sure how to approach your observations.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Zod was a world threat - remember, the President abdicates ALL CONTROL OVER THE PLANET to Zod, after contacting the world leaders.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Do you have a preference between the personal threats and the global/international/world wide threats?

You do a good job of listing the threats - I wouldn't mind reading the hero motivation thread - but I'm not sure how to approach your observations.

I think global threats work better for superhero movies. These guys are supposed to be invincible. How could anyone pose a serious personal threat???

 

[cryptic name]

I think Nomak was personal and global threat in Blade 2, because the reaper virus was said to likely become an incredible plague, wiping out both human and vampire alike.

 

[Max J Power]

The Green Goblin is debatably a city level threat. He would kill a lot of people to get to Spider-Man if he needed to.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well this is my main problem with 2 particular movies, X3 and FF. In the final battle's in both movies, i just didnt feel enough was at stake in either. In X3, what, alcatraz, and the 3 lives in the building and lives of the soldiers were at stake, nothing more and thats poor IMO. Same with FF, only the lives of the FF were really at stake, i mean if Doom had won, i'm pretty sure the army could have taken care of him, and he never really posed that much of a threat compared to villians like Stryker, Magneto in X1 and X2, Frost, Lex Luthor, etc.

NR, i wouldnt say Nomak was a personal threat though, remember, every Reaper was a carrier, so if Blade hadnt have stopped him, he would have kept feeding and then anyone bitten would do the same, the whole world would soon be under threat.

 

[Dr. Fate]

The Green Goblin is debatably a city level threat. He would kill a lot of people to get to Spider-Man if he needed to.

I think he qualified as both personal threat and city level threat, same with the Joker in the first Batman film (both have to sort of evolve into being personal threats).