The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

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[Human Torch]

Just my two cents on this:

She's not going to die, guys. Im postive of it. Here's why:

1.Marc Webb has been teasing it a little too much. I think hes just toying with us longtime spiderman fans. If a character is going to die in your film and you want it to have impact you dont heavily tease and imply it like theyve been doing. They would want to surprise people.

2. Lets face it, guys. If Gwen dies, the movie's going to end on a very depressing note and i really dont think Sony wants kids to walk out of the theater feeling dour. I mean yeah, you could still find a way to end the movie on semi triumphant note but Gwen's death will hang over the whole thing and it will feel like Spiderman lost. I dont see how realistically people and kids especially will leave the theater feeling good if they decide to go that route and lets be honest here theyre making these movies for younger audiences since that is how you make Avengers money.

Just my two cents. I really dont see this happening. I think whats going to happen is Gwen is going to come CLOSE to dying but Peter saves her. Then at the end of the film Gwen decides to leave New York for a better life. Peter ends up alone and this leaves room for MJ in ASM 3.

The whole first movie was depressing and dour.You think the sequel will really be any different?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Why did you find TASM1 to be dour?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Peter had dated MJ off and on during Gwen's life and they were somewhat "friendly rivals" during that time.No matter how you slice it MJ should be introduced before Gwen buys the farm.The fact that she actually knew Gwen is an important element that shouldn't be ignored.If they kept the MJ scenes in,it would likely be enough.Again,anything else is just sloppy.

How closed minded are you, Human Torch? In other words, "if its not 100% like the comic books, its sloppy." Sigh.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

If someone hates a comic based movie because it isn't 100% a copy of the comics, must hate every CBM that's been made.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Maybe at most you can say that MJ not being introduced before Gwen's death is a missed opportunity, but saying its "SLOPPY" is just a little ignorant.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Maybe at most you can say that MJ not being introduced before Gwen's death is a missed opportunity, but saying its "SLOPPY" is just a little ignorant.

Exactly.

 

[Airnick]

Peter had dated MJ off and on during Gwen's life and they were somewhat "friendly rivals" during that time.No matter how you slice it MJ should be introduced before Gwen buys the farm.The fact that she actually knew Gwen is an important element that shouldn't be ignored.If they kept the MJ scenes in,it would likely be enough.Again,anything else is just sloppy.

How about we see how it turns out before we start calling it sloppy.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How about we see how it turns out before we start calling it sloppy.

Thank you. Like I said, perhaps its a "missed opportunity," but that doesn't make it 'sloppy.'

 

[spider_shadow]

The whole first movie was depressing and dour.You think the sequel will really be any different?

Fixed.

 

[sl500jazz]

^ I agree. For those who dislike the decision that they've made, a potentially 'missed opportunity' is the more appropriate term. You can't call it a 'sloppy' move without having seen what they'll do with the MJ/Gwen situation.

 

[Airnick]

^ I agree. For those who dislike the decision that they've made, a potentially 'missed opportunity' is the more appropriate term. You can't call it a 'sloppy' move without having seen what they'll do with the MJ/Gwen situation.

Exactly.

 

[Picard Sisko]

^ I agree. For those who dislike the decision that they've made, a potentially 'missed opportunity' is the more appropriate term. You can't call it a 'sloppy' move without having seen what they'll do with the MJ/Gwen situation.

This is all I was really trying to say in response to "Human Torch." There is a HUGE difference between something being sloppy and something being a mere missed opportunity.

 

[Human Torch]

How closed minded are you, Human Torch? In other words, "if its not 100% like the comic books, its sloppy." Sigh.

They should always endeavor to stick as close to the source material as possible.But I don't think every change is a major issue.

 

[Human Torch]

Fixed.

Thanx.t:

 

[Human Torch]

Why did you find TASM1 to be dour?

I think they leaned on the "grim/dark" thing too much.The new film looks to be somewhat more in line with the traditional Spidey tone though,so I have (tempered)hopes.

 

[Human Torch]

^ I agree. For those who dislike the decision that they've made, a potentially 'missed opportunity' is the more appropriate term. You can't call it a 'sloppy' move without having seen what they'll do with the MJ/Gwen situation.

I don't have to see the movie to know they will be doing a major disservice to MJ (and Peter & Gwen) by not having her introduced before Gwen's death.She should know Gwen.She should see how much she means to Peter.This is a key element.And if Gwen does indeed die in this film and they actually filmed scenes with MJ and cut them that goes beyond a "missed opportunity" into the realm of sloppy.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't have to see the movie to know they will be doing a major disservice to MJ (and Peter & Gwen) by not having her introduced before Gwen's death.She should know Gwen.She should see how much she means to Peter.This is a key element.And if Gwen does indeed die in this film and they actually filmed scenes with MJ and cut them that goes beyond a "missed opportunity" into the realm of sloppy.

[Miz Voice]Really? Really? Really? Really? Really?[/Miz Voice]

I think somebody's WAY too attached to one way of doing things.

 

[Picard Sisko]

They should always endeavor to stick as close to the source material as possible.But I don't think every change is a major issue.

Once again, you are just being closed minded. You might as well just skip out on the movie then, because Webb is obviously doing his own thing. Making a good movie is more important than being faithful to the source material.

I don't have to see the movie to know they will be doing a major disservice to MJ (and Peter & Gwen) by not having her introduced before Gwen's death.She should know Gwen.She should see how much she means to Peter.This is a key element.And if Gwen does indeed die in this film and they actually filmed scenes with MJ and cut them that goes beyond a "missed opportunity" into the realm of sloppy.

You really don't understand what the word 'sloppy' means, do you?

 

[Airnick]

Once again, you are just being closed minded. You might as well just skip out on the movie then, because Webb is obviously doing his own thing. Making a good movie is more important than being faithful to the source material

Spot on Picard.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If I want the same thing as the comic books, then I'll read the comic books.

 

[Airnick]

It's good to stay close to the source material to a certain extent, but not everything has to be exactly the same.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It's good to stay close to the source material to a certain extent, but not everything has to be exactly the same.

It should capture the spirit of the source material, while giving a few nods and easter eggs here and there, but overall, should be something very original.

 

[Human Torch]

Once again, you are just being closed minded. You might as well just skip out on the movie then, because Webb is obviously doing his own thing. Making a good movie is more important than being faithful to the source material.

This ain't the 70's anymore.It's been proven possible to do both time and again.

You really don't understand what the word 'sloppy' means, do you?

Yes I do.And cutting MJ out and having Gwen die is the definition of the word.
I'm not sure you guys know the difference yourselves between Sloppy & Missed Opportunity.
A Missed Opportunity would be not having a mention of Mystique being Nightcrawler's Mom in X-2. They didn't have the time or inclination to work it into the story.It's a bit of a disappointment they couldn't fit some reference in,but it's not relevant info to the story being told and they could always pick up the thread another time.

If they don't have MJ meet Gwen and Pete before Gwen dies,it destroys a core aspect of the relationship that can be easily fixed with a simple few scenes or completely ruined by omitting them.They can't address them knowing each other after she dies unless they resort to retroactive flashbacks,which is in a word,sloppy.