The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

[Picard Sisko]

Believe whatever you want to, Human Torch.

 

[Human Torch]

It could all be a moot point if Gwen doesn't die in this film anyway.At least that's what I'm expecting/hoping.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I wouldn't want MJ to be introduced in the same film that Gwen dies in.

 

[Human Torch]

But you don't have a problem with her being introduced after Gwen dies?

 

[Airnick]

It could all be a moot point if Gwen doesn't die in this film anyway.At least that's what I'm expecting/hoping.

Don't get your hopes up.

 

[Picard Sisko]

No. It wouldn't be a huge setback if Peter met MJ after Gwen's death.

 

[Human Torch]

Don't get your hopes up.

Don't worry,between the first film and the way most of the villains are presented in this film,my expectations are tempered.

I still don't think she'll die,for the simple reason that Stone is signed for three films.The only reason to sign her for a third when they expected to kill her in the 2nd,is to bring her back in lengthy flashbacks.

Which as I think I mentioned once or twice,would be pretty sloppy.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Weren't you defending Spider-Man 3 in the Raimi forums?

And just because she is signed on for three films doesn't mean she will actually appear in three films.

 

[Human Torch]

No. It wouldn't be a huge setback if Peter met MJ after Gwen's death.

Then,why would it be worse to have MJ introduced in the same film Gwen dies?Don't get me wrong,it wouldn't be my first choice either,but it's a lesser evil than waiting til after Gwen dies.

 

[Picard Sisko]

MJ being introduced in the same film as Gwen's death is a bit much IMO. Most likely why Shailene was cut from TASM2.

 

[Human Torch]

Weren't you defending Spider-Man 3 in the Raimi forums?

I don't think it's a case of "too many" villains.But the Rhino looks like a Transformer and Harry Goblin looks as bad here as SM3.

And just because she is signed on for three films doesn't mean she will actually appear in three films.

She's the leading lady.It's not the same as signing Ray Park as Toad to 3 films as a henchman,on the off chance you might use him again.I doubt they'd have signed her to 3 if she was only to do a flashback/dream cameo in the 3rd.

 

[sl500jazz]

Then,why would it be worse to have MJ introduced in the same film Gwen dies?Don't get me wrong,it wouldn't be my first choice either,but it's a lesser evil than waiting til after Gwen dies.

If Gwen dies in TASM2 before MJ's introduction, then they probably think that having MJ around would lessen the reactions to Gwen's untimely death or would prevent people from becoming emotionally invested in the Gwen/Peter relationship because they are aware of the fact that Peter and MJ were an item in the Raimi films.

I personally think it would ultimately depend on how the character is presented. If Peter was shown dating MJ in the same film that Gwen dies, then yes, that could be a problem. However, if she was just a friend to Peter and Gwen (perhaps in a relationship with Flash or Harry) then it shouldn't be any different from introducing any other female supporting character like Liz, Betty, Debra, etc. I also think that having MJ around would help the audience become more emotionally invested in the development of their future friendship/relationship by tying it to such a tragic event. Imo, it is the lesser of two evils, but to each their own.

If they introduce MJ after Gwen's demise, hopefully they'll stick to their guns, and won't pull any flashbacks/revelations showing that MJ knew Gwen all along. That's a little too convenient.

 

[Airnick]

Don't worry,between the first film and the way most of the villains are presented in this film,my expectations are tempered.

I still don't think she'll die,for the simple reason that Stone is signed for three films.The only reason to sign her for a third when they expected to kill her in the 2nd,is to bring her back in lengthy flashbacks.

Which as I think I mentioned once or twice,would be pretty sloppy.

I think your gonna be surprised come may 2nd.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Gwen dies in TASM2 before MJ's introduction, then they probably think that having MJ around would lessen the reactions to Gwen's untimely death or would prevent people from becoming emotionally invested in the Gwen/Peter relationship because they are aware of the fact that Peter and MJ were an item in the Raimi films.

This.

I personally think it would ultimately depend on how the character is presented. If Peter was shown dating MJ in the same film that Gwen dies, then yes, that could be a problem. However, if she was just a friend to Peter and Gwen (perhaps in a relationship with Flash or Harry) then it shouldn't be any different from introducing any other female supporting character like Liz, Betty, Debra, etc. I also think that having MJ around would help the audience become more emotionally invested in the development of their future friendship/relationship by tying it to such a tragic event. Imo, it is the lesser of two evils, but to each their own.

I don't think Peter would be dating MJ, but he probably would have started to get to know her in this film. There could be a breakup scene in this film which fans have pointed out from set photos, so IDK.

If they introduce MJ after Gwen's demise, hopefully they'll stick to their guns, and won't pull any flashbacks/revelations showing that MJ knew Gwen all along. That's a little too convenient.

If MJ comes in after Gwen's demise then she probably would have never met her.

 

[Human Torch]

If Gwen dies in TASM2 before MJ's introduction, then they probably think that having MJ around would lessen the reactions to Gwen's untimely death or would prevent people from becoming emotionally invested in the Gwen/Peter relationship because they are aware of the fact that Peter and MJ were an item in the Raimi films.

I personally think it would ultimately depend on how the character is presented. If Peter was shown dating MJ in the same film that Gwen dies, then yes, that could be a problem. However, if she was just a friend to Peter and Gwen (perhaps in a relationship with Flash or Harry) then it shouldn't be any different from introducing any other female supporting character like Liz, Betty, Debra, etc. I also think that having MJ around would help the audience become more emotionally invested in the development of their future friendship/relationship by tying it to such a tragic event. Imo, it is the lesser of two evils, but to each their own.

If they introduce MJ after Gwen's demise, hopefully they'll stick to their guns, and won't pull any flashbacks/revelations showing that MJ knew Gwen all along. That's a little too convenient.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is Gwen's fate. It is her destiny.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The supporting cast is widely seen as a major reason Spider-Man is one of the greatest comics of all time, I'd hardly consider wanting to see interactions between two important supporting characters as "wanting everything to be just like the comics." It's the interactions between them which makes them feel like real people, and not justcharacters slotted into roles.

 

[Human Torch]

The supporting cast is widely seen as a major reason Spider-Man is one of the greatest comics of all time, I'd hardly consider wanting to see interactions between two important supporting characters as "wanting everything to be just like the comics." It's the interactions between them which makes them feel like real people, and not justcharacters slotted into roles.

 

[Picard Sisko]

They can only fit so much of his supporting cast into one movie. The characters should be supporting the movie, not the other way around.

 

[Human Torch]

MJ and Gwen are the two most important women in Spidey's life.If they can't work a single paltry scene with them both in the movie,they haven't earned their salary.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

They can only fit so much of his supporting cast into one movie. The characters should be supporting the movie, not the other way around.

You can say the same thing about villains.

 

[Picard Sisko]

MJ and Gwen are the two most important women in Spidey's life.If they can't work a single paltry scene with them both in the movie,they haven't earned their salary.

And that will really make a difference? Having MJ in for a small scene just to say she knew Peter while Gwen was alive? Well, too late. Might as well skip this movie because you're going to be disappointed.

You can say the same thing about villains.

Last time I checked, villains counted as characters.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

And that will really make a difference? Having MJ in for a small scene just to say she knew Peter while Gwen was alive? Well, too late. Might as well skip this movie because you're going to be disappointed.



Last time I checked, villains counted as characters.

Last time I checked, The rogues gallery isn't considered the supporting cast.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I said, "The characters should be supporting the movie, not the other way around."

That counts for supporting cast, villains, etc.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I said, "The characters should be supporting the movie, not the other way around."

That counts for supporting cast, villains, etc.

Yes, you said that after you said:

They can only fit so much of his supporting cast into one movie.