Discussion in 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' started by Erik Lensherr, Mar 2, 2018.
He's been connected to Star Wars since Disney got the property even before Rian Johnson and his name is yet to be credited as a writer of a Star Wars film... That's very telling. Anyway, I hope he's a 1 and done director of a X-Men film. I just can't see him as a good director especially his track record as a writer is bad.
Kinberg's track record as a producer is very good. His track record as a writer is very bad. As a producer, the man usually gets everything done on time, saves money, ropes in good talent and in cases of critical disasters, mitigates the financial fallout. As a writer, the dude loves giving exposition in a ham-fisted way, imagines people talk to each other like the world is about to end, stuffs so many good ideas together that they turn out bad and needs to be supervised heavily to get a good script.
That being said, there's a reason why he's been so involved with Star Wars as a producer, less so as a writer. Disney clearly values his production talents, he saved them a **** ton of money on Cinderella and got that film a tight schedule and a tight captain to sail said schedule. He's on good terms with Iger and Feige I believe. He can sign on to direct Logan's Run all he wants, but that reboot has been delayed so many times at this point that the guy behind BioShock was writing it at one point.
I'm hoping that Dark Phoenix will be good. I want it to be good so bad... but I just don't believe in Simon Kinberg. I hope he'll prove me wrong, I have a sinking feeling he won't.
So if Kinberg is a good producer, then should Lauren Shuler Donner start directing films now?. There's a big difference from producing a film to directing a film. As films usually lies in the hands of the director and the script.
FACT: i really enjoyed Mr and Mrs Smith (actualy caught it in theaters) and I had a bit of an accident that day on the way out of the mall where I watched it! I held it too long during the film
It was nothing more than a popcorn flick.
If you're insinuating that being a producer is negligible in the face of a film's importance next to a director or writer, you know even less about a film's process than you let on. A producer's job is to make sure the director does his, that everything gets done on time, that the screenwriter turns in a script to the director's liking and the studio's liking. In the case of Kinberg, where he's all three, it's weird, I'll admit but all a writer does is WRITE the movie. What a director does, is DIRECT what was written. What a producer does? He PRODUCES all of that. If the producer ****s up, your movie is ****ed. Look at the Snowman, if their producers (who are talented people) didn't mess up, the director would've remembered to direct what was left of the film.
I love this pic
Kinberg as director.
Not a very skilled writer.
Obviously. I am sure he won't be a skilled director after 1 film. Anyway, its on him. Its just a matter of time before studios find as someone else.
I agree with what many others have said--he's a wonderful producer. His track record speaks for itself. He knows how to keep a movie running and organized.
As a writer...it's all hit and miss, with more misses than hits. I'll give credit--Days of Future Past is one of the best superhero movies and my personal favorite X-men movie (even if you don't think it's that good, you have to admit, it was still a great film). But he had Bryan Singer helping and tons of time. Plus, to be frank, there was a lot of conflict to work with, given how many unresolved issues there were at the end of XM:FC.
But right now, he has one great XM film and two awful ones. That doesn't inspire a lot of enthusiasm from me when it comes to him writing AND directing.
And please no more destruction porn. This isn't a Transformers movie.
Have you seen the work he has done as a script doctor? I'm sorry, but I have to post here.
Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (2003)
Fantastic Four (2005)
Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian (2009)
Date Night (2010)
Knight and Day (2010)
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (2011)
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (2012)
Edge of Tomorrow (2014)
I guess he has good social skills and connections. Anyway, in an industry in which Uwe Boll, Michael Bay and Zack Snyder got to direct a couple of films. Kinberg getting his chance to direct isn't shocking.
Lol indeed. In reality, it would be a Razzie.
You must be new here. Stay on topic. Its not like people are attacking users.
I have nothing against the guy personally. I'm sure he's a wonderful person, but his track record for script writing is pretty poor. He might end up being a great director, however--he's clearly a talented producer and knows about film-making.
Honestly, it's the fact he's written the script that worries me the most.
He's directing a film with a script that he wrote. That is the problem. Its not like the script had two other people working on it, it's all him.
What kind of improvement could he make as a director, when his script are usually a miss. Its like the blind leading the blind.
Im giving him the benefit of the doubt for Apocalypse. Im fairly sure Fox execs were pushing for the film to be a destruction porn CGI heavy "spectacle" to compete with Civil War and BvS that year.
Now hopefully Fox has realised with Logan and Deadpool that if they dont interfere and just let the team work with creative freedom then the end result will be positive unlike Fan4tistic and Apocalypse.
The destruction porn in Apocalypse wasn't even well done. If Fox demanded him for that, it just shows how he cannot deliver on something he was hired to do. Thing is there are certain people who can deliver even with the studio's demands and limitations.
There is one silver lining. Almost all of his scripts were made with him as a producer in mind, to save money and get things done efficiently - for a few of them, he was even brought on board to salvage the picture's costs and such.
A few weren't - Days of Future Past and Jumper - but both of those have very, very different quality.
Kinberg said several times before the release of the movie that their major concern was not make a "CGI heavy spectacle" and that the was working to get the movie focused on characters. In his words, delievering the most emotional X-Men movie.
his label's fav guy. he will do for the label's money and politics, not for the fans or quality of the movie.