Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[Dark Raven]

I think Spidey is going to start small. He'll jump off a small step first, then work his way up to a chair. By the end of the movie he might be swinging from a lamppost or a tree.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Agreed on the Iron Man reference.

Ok, I'm gonna defend the fear of heights thing. They said that he will work up to bigger and bigger swings as the movie and presumably the series goes on. I compare it to Daredevil, where he is constantly developing his gadgets and abilities over the course of many adventures. DD didn't get his billy club or even swing from building until the final episode of Season 2, and him swinging off buildings is a pretty big part of DD's iconography. I think it's a potentially interesting approach. Ultimate Spider-Man did the same thing in the comics, where he wasn't swinging around until about 12 or so issues in.

You make a decent point, but it's still somewhat disappointing to hear that the hero known for web-slinging won't be doing much web-slinging that will leave us oohing and ahhing.

 

[harryoscop]

,I don't want to be mean, but Peter was swinging early on in Ultimate. Soon as he created the Webshooters, in his first fight, he learned how to swing. This was the sixth issue. Since then, he was swinging around high & low until he got offed

 

[PeterBenParker]

Ok, I'm gonna defend the fear of heights thing. They said that he will work up to bigger and bigger swings as the movie and presumably the series goes on. I compare it to Daredevil, where he is constantly developing his gadgets and abilities over the course of many adventures. DD didn't get his billy club or even swing from building until the final episode of Season 2, and him swinging off buildings is a pretty big part of DD's iconography. I think it's a potentially interesting approach. Ultimate Spider-Man did the same thing in the comics, where he wasn't swinging around until about 12 or so issues in.

That is a good point, though I still find it's disappointing we'll have to wait to see what we already see in one film (typically).

I really want to give the film as a whole the wait-and-see approach but it seems like just about everything that is traditional is going to be a wait-and-see approach and I'm not sure it's all going to work. There's bound to be at least one or two hiccups.

 

[Matt Parker]

Ok, I was kinda wrong about Ultimate, but I think my point still stands. Getting bitten by the spider didn't give Peter the magical ability to not be afraid of heights. It makes sense that he would work up to bigger swings. Plus, there are some incredibly cool shots of him swinging around in the trailers (I'm thinking of that awesome shot of him jumping and swinging across the rooftops). I actually support this choice. And, to be fair, the first Amazing Spider-Man did the same thing. He swung off of a few tall buildings, but his swinging was much more realistic and grounded in that film.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

You're not wrong, Matt Parker (and welcome to the boards BTW)... BUT:

I've seen Norse gods fight frost giants in other dimensions and a talking raccoon with his best friend, a living tree. Screw realistic and grounded. Give me some web-swinging that makes me feel like I'm there.

 

[Matt Parker]

Again, we have also seen a very gritty and realistic take on Daredevil. Spider-Man has always been a cross tonally between the heightened and comic booky Avengers and the more grounded vigilante characters, so I see no reason why that shouldn't be true here. To be honest, when the movie comes out, I bet we'll completely forget about this factoid. If they hadn't mentioned it, we probably wouldn't have noticed it.

 

[harryoscop]

Ok, I was kinda wrong about Ultimate, but I think my point still stands. Getting bitten by the spider didn't give Peter the magical ability to not be afraid of heights. It makes sense that he would work up to bigger swings. Plus, there are some incredibly cool shots of him swinging around in the trailers (I'm thinking of that awesome shot of him jumping and swinging across the rooftops). I actually support this choice. And, to be fair, the first Amazing Spider-Man did the same thing. He swung off of a few tall buildings, but his swinging was much more realistic and grounded in that film.

In the same film, we also got swings like this:

Peter became the traditional Spider-Man by the end of the movie

I wouldn't mind this idea if they were planning on doing it on this movie but Carroll said he will work his way up to it "someday" It's ridiculous to stretch out three films of Tom becoming what Maguire & Garfield became in their first movie. It's a dragged out notOrigin story that nobody asked for. And as a consequence, they add dumb things to Peter's character to make him fit into the box of what they want him to be.

I like the idea of Peter growing in the trilogy into a man. I don't like the idea of them removing elements of Spider-Man's character that were always there from the beginning just so they can implement them back into the character later on.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Iron Man will teach Peter to swing from buildings. He'll either give him a computer simulation program to mimic swinging from heights in a safe, holographic environment, or he'll remote control Peter himself using that technology from Iron Man 3. Peter can close his eyes while he's up there amidst the skyscrapers while Tony Stark controls his limbs remotely, being able to see everything that Peter can see because it's built into the suit.

 

[PeterBenParker]

In the same film, we also got swings like this:

Peter became the traditional Spider-Man by the end of the movie

I wouldn't mind this idea if they were planning on doing it on this movie but Carroll said he will work his way up to it "someday" It's ridiculous to stretch out three films of Tom becoming what Maguire & Garfield became in their first movie. It's a dragged out notOrigin story that nobody asked for. And as a consequence, they add dumb things to Peter's character to make him fit into the box of what they want him to be.

I like the idea of Peter growing in the trilogy into a man. I don't like the idea of them removing elements of Spider-Man's character that were always there from the beginning just so they can implement them back into the character later on.

You nailed it.

 

[Matt Parker]

Those images of him swinging are from the climax. He had to work up to that. We know that Peter is hanging from a plane by the end of Homecoming, so I think it's very possible that we will get more classic swinging by the end of the film. Plus, the idea, once again, its that getting spider powers doesn't take away a fear of heights. Yes, in the comics he was immediately able to swing from tall buildings. But this movie is going to try to earn that.

 

[harryoscop]

You nailed it.

Those images of him swinging are from the climax. He had to work up to that. We know that Peter is hanging from a plane by the end of Homecoming, so I think it's very possible that we will get more classic swinging by the end of the film. Plus, the idea, once again, its that getting spider powers doesn't take away a fear of heights. Yes, in the comics he was immediately able to swing from tall buildings. But this movie is going to try to earn that.

Y'know, this idea would have worked so much more organically if this was a real origin story. They could have dealt with the idea of Peter testing his limits. Only problem with what they're doing here is, Peter has been on the streets as Spider-Man for almost 8 months. Um, this movie or any future movie should not be his learning curve, he should already be well-endowed in his powers. in 8 months, 616 had already fought six/seven super villains, Ultimate had already fought & beat half of his Rouges, SSM had already taken on dozens of criminals & was comfortable in his powers. Now I'm not saying Homecoming Spidey has to follow the same route they did but he should have only been Spider-Man for 3 months by time we met him in CW. Him being this green & inexperienced doesn't make much sense to me

I don't recall any MCU hero taking this long or having been active for seven months and still being an Uber rookie.

Either way, "earning it" has been a tired trend with this movie.

 

[Golgo-13]

How come his fear of heights didn't come into play when he was crawling over Giant Man is Civil War?

 

[Dark Raven]

How come his fear of heights didn't come into play when he was crawling over Giant Man is Civil War?

Because they only thought up this crap for Homecoming after Civil War. He swung around perfectly fine when he was swinging round doing his thing from that old movie or dodging all the attacks of everyone else.

He should've been useless in the airport battle such that Iron Man would've wondered why he even brought him along.

 

[Matt Parker]

Ok. Harry makes a good point about the origin story thing. However, I feelnlike this will be a really minor detail that we wouldn't be even have noticed had they not mentioned it in interviews. If Peter at some point goes "Oh man I'm so scared of heights please save me Stark" then I'll agree.
To be honest, swinging is the least important thing about Spidey. I care about his personality, his hunour, his heroism, so on and so forth. The swinging is a superficial detail for me.
If this bothers you guys, I understand. I have major gripes with each of the Spider Man movies. I think the swinging will end up being fine in the movie. As I said, I personally think the trailers have plenty of really cool looking swinging scenes.

 

[X Knight]

wait.....what's this about fear of heights and swinging ( or lack thereof )?

 

[harryoscop]

Carroll:

He has the fear of heights I think all well-balanced people do,” Carroll explains, “that when you’re standing over a fourth story, looking down knowing there’s nothing to stop you from falling, you probably tense up a little.” As Carroll puts it, Holland’s Peter is “going to work up to being the Spider-Man we know he’ll become someday.” He won’t be swinging down 5th Avenue 40 stories above the street without a care in the world.

You won’t see a lot of epic, swooping camera moves either. “This is the camera coming down to the ground level and staying there for a while with Peter,” Watts notes.

http://screencrush.com/how-spider-m...previous-spider-man-movies/?trackback=tsmclip

And more BS from Carroll I noticed:

As Eric Carroll puts it: “If you’re 15 and you get Spider-Man’s powers, you don’t go straight down to the power of responsibility. You don’t go straight down the heavy-is-the-head type thing. This would be fun. This would be amazing. This would be better than going home to ride a dirt bike.”

Sure, if his only father figure Uncle WASN'T shot dead because of his selfishness, I'd guess he wouldn't care about the meaning of being responsible yet.

 

[Dark Raven]

Are they also going to reveal that Peter has a torn rotator cuff so he can't swing about or lift his arm high anyway?

And maybe he's also extremely paranoid, so he's always looking behind him and expecting danger and can't tell if it's his spider sense going off or just his paranoia kicking in again.

 

[ironwez20]

Anybody else scared they might try and make this spiderman power rangers like they've been doing with the comics lately. Having miles, peter, gwen and probably silk fight crime like some super team. That's what i'm worried about. I think that is the biggest F u to the character ever. I like different spidermen but only if they work seperate in different parts of the city. Spiderman is supposed to be unique.

Looking at the way the new cartoon is shaping up got me thinking this.

Also i'm afraid that he won't have his spiderman suit for the final battle and that stark gives it to him at the end. That would be the biggest F u i'd ever seen in a superhero movie.

Just my thoughts. O and I hate ned leeds portrayal. Should of just gone with robbie robertson's son.

 

[X Knight]

Carroll:

http://screencrush.com/how-spider-m...previous-spider-man-movies/?trackback=tsmclip

And more BS from Carroll I noticed:


Sure, if his only father figure Uncle WASN'T shot dead because of his selfishness, I'd guess he wouldn't care about the meaning of being responsible yet.

who is this Carroll person? Does he work on the film or something??

this has got to be some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

 

[Dark Raven]

who is this Carroll person? Does he work on the film or something??

this has got to be some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

Lewis Carroll. We're seeing a version of Spider-Man through the looking glass.

 

[ironwez20]

Carroll:

http://screencrush.com/how-spider-m...previous-spider-man-movies/?trackback=tsmclip

And more BS from Carroll I noticed:


Sure, if his only father figure Uncle WASN'T shot dead because of his selfishness, I'd guess he wouldn't care about the meaning of being responsible yet.

I think he does understand. but idk.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Sure, if his only father figure Uncle WASN'T shot dead because of his selfishness, I'd guess he wouldn't care about the meaning of being responsible yet.

Again, this whole kid emphasis is doing this new take no favors at all.

I'll continue to point it out, but why do we have great series that feature a young Spider-Man in Ultimate Spider-Man, The Spectacular Spider-Man and SPIDEY (that should all be used for research for a teenaged Spider-Man) that manage to balance the kid and balance the Spider-Man/Peter aspect yet they go in this direction? Oh, wait..

Anything to make him more relatable to the kiddies, I suppose.

That's why.

who is this Carroll person? Does he work on the film or something??

this has got to be some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

He's a producer, sadly.

 

[harryoscop]

who is this Carroll person? Does he work on the film or something??

this has got to be some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

Eric Carroll Marvel Studios Producer. Yep, he's unfortunately on the movie. Everything he said sounded terrible. His comments about Peter wanting to have fun, not coming to the realization that he's suppose to have come to about responsibility reads like he doesn't respect or understand the character at all. And that's just one of many dumb things he's parading about the movie.

I agree PBP & Raven. Riverdale is on so later

 

[SpideyJJ]

Sheesh, I've been trying to be more optimistic but all the details we've gotten are making it harder for me to be so. I just hope it doesn't require Iron Man to teach him about friggin responsibility. Maybe if after Stark takes the suit away he remembers what Uncle Ben said about great power and great responsibility being what inspires him to take his old suit to fight Vulture rather than 'Mr Stark' confiscating the suit being his way of teaching Pete about it.