The Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 60

[Kane52630]

You thought X was better than Pearl.

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After Maxxxine I had to reevaluate both movies and you know what? I'll still give it to X by a smudge just for this lol

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I hope Mia Goth gets to be Harley Quinn.

Punchline could work too, but I just can't unsee Harley now.

 

[Pennywise]

I hope Mia Goth gets to be Harley Quinn.

I just can't unsee that now.

Only a matter of time before she drops Blade or Blade drops her!

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Lily Adler]

Now that you mentioned it, it's time for a rewatch of Superbad just to see how it aged. But yeah the supporting cast helps him out usually, I'm just meh on Jonah Hill.

But Drizzy those Jump Street movies just look corny as hell, I'm sorry.



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[Drizzle]

I hope Mia Goth gets to be Harley Quinn.

Punchline could work too, but I just can't unsee Harley now.

I could see Goth as a Reevesverse Harley. She's probably too goddamn scary for the DCU.

But I've also been saying since Barbie hit it big last year that for the DCU Harley, they'll be knocking on Margot Robbie's door to keep her on board like Cena. It'll be hers to turn down.

 

[Iceman]

Now that you mentioned it, it's time for a rewatch of Superbad just to see how it aged. But yeah the supporting cast helps him out usually, I'm just meh on Jonah Hill.

But Drizzy those Jump Street movies just look corny as hell, I'm sorry.



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I’ll rewatch Superbad for the Emma Stone WTF moment.

 

[flickchick85]

I never watched those 21 Jump Street movies.

I'm allergic to Jonah Hill and mediocrity.

Well we know that last part ain’t true.

I hate Jonah Hill and most modern comedies in general ever since Judd Apatow became a thing, but I find those Jump Street movies hilarious. Not because of Hill though. He’s practically the straight man in them. Everybody else (Tatum included) is killing it in those things.

 

[flickchick85]

The video I posted wasn’t even the full version?!

Still have less than zero interest in this movie but will be buying the score day 1. Sounds like it might be the best MCU score to date. (Low bar outside of Black Panther, I know, but still)

 

[Iceman]

I could see Goth as a Reevesverse Harley. She's probably too goddamn scary for the DCU.

But I've also been saying since Barbie hit it big last year that for the DCU Harley, they'll be knocking on Margot Robbie's door to keep her on board like Cena. It'll be hers to turn down.

It's such a shame we aren't going to get a sprawling Reevesverse after such great establishing work.

Getting the DCU to work is high stakes stuff - worth securing wins wherever they can to make it work. If the DCU fails I doubt there will be much patience left amongst audiences to invest in a future DC universe, at least not for 15+ years.

 

[Drizzle]

Still have less than zero interest in this movie but will be buying the score day 1. Sounds like it might be the best MCU score to date. (Low bar outside of Black Panther, I know, but still)

LOL come on FC, give them some credit. Black Panther might be the best one overall but The First Avenger, The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame all have amazing scores.

It's such a shame we aren't going to get a sprawling Reevesverse after such great establishing work.

Getting the DCU to work is high stakes stuff - worth securing wins wherever they can to make it work. If the DCU fails I doubt there will be much patience left amongst audiences to invest in a future DC universe, at least not for 15+ years.

At the very least I'll be happy that we're getting more out of the Reevesverse than we did for the Nolanverse with spinoff shows and such but at the same time I wouldn't have expected it to last for a significantly long amount of time either. I think Pattinson likes playing Batman but at the same time he doesn't strike me as the type to want to stick around playing any role for too long.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Really feels like they’re going out of their way to do something different and exciting with the F4. After Fox took a few bites at the apple and fell short, I can appreciate what they’re going for.

I also like how marvel is open to making movies in other universes other than the MCU, but that feels like something that was gonna happen regardless with the multiverse saga.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I could see Goth as a Reevesverse Harley. She's probably too goddamn scary for the DCU.

But I've also been saying since Barbie hit it big last year that for the DCU Harley, they'll be knocking on Margot Robbie's door to keep her on board like Cena. It'll be hers to turn down.

That’s very true about Robbie.

But then you gotta wonder, what happens if Gaga’s Harley takes off because I remember a week or two ago they were saying they wanted to push her for an Oscar next year.

Well we know that last part ain’t true.

I hate Jonah Hill and most modern comedies in general ever since Judd Apatow became a thing, but I find those Jump Street movies hilarious. Not because of Hill though. He’s practically the straight man in them. Everybody else (Tatum included) is killing it in those things.

But OMG Flick you’re so right about modern comedies and the Apatow effect. Just bleh!

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I like Jonah Hill in both comedic and dramatic roles, but boy oh boy am I glad he passed on The Batman, and we ended up with Paul Dano instead. That’s a clear upgrade, not to slight Hill…. But Dano is just that good

 

[Iceman]

At the very least I'll be happy that we're getting more out of the Reevesverse than we did for the Nolanverse with spinoff shows and such but at the same time I wouldn't have expected it to last for a significantly long amount of time either. I think Pattinson likes playing Batman but at the same time he doesn't strike me as the type to want to stick around playing any role for too long.

With Nolan I never got the feeling he was building to anything beyond his personal trilogy so I didn’t miss what hadn’t even been conceived by him. With Reeves it felt like he was building towards a lot more and had painstakingly set up the foundations for that, and listening to him talk you could see the passion for it all, beyond just trying to make great films. I really wanted to see everything he might have imagined come to fruition backed by whatever budgets, planning and talents required to get it all done.

 

[Iceman]

Really feels like they’re going out of their way to do something different and exciting with the F4. After Fox took a few bites at the apple and fell short, I can appreciate what they’re going for.

I also like how marvel is open to making movies in other universes other than the MCU, but that feels like something that was gonna happen regardless with the multiverse saga.

Whatever quality we get with F4, so far the marketing and vibes it’s giving off don’t seem cookie-cutter/formula which is great to see. Some risks are being taken and F4 needs that after what we’ve had to date.

 

[Drizzle]

Really feels like they’re going out of their way to do something different and exciting with the F4. After Fox took a few bites at the apple and fell short, I can appreciate what they’re going for.

I also like how marvel is open to making movies in other universes other than the MCU, but that feels like something that was gonna happen regardless with the multiverse saga.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it wasn't for RDJ as Doom I'd feel so rejuvenated about what's to come for the Fantastic Four and the greater MCU in general moving forward. All they had to do was cast literally anyone else. I'm still feeling positive about the main cast and Galactus, at least.

That’s very true about Robbie.

But then you gotta wonder, what happens if Gaga’s Harley takes off because I remember a week or two ago they were saying they wanted to push her for an Oscar next year.

I don't think we'll ever see Phoenix and Gaga as Joker and Harley in anything else but that series. I think Gunn will stick to his gunns about keeping that firmly as an Elseworlds type of story, ditto for the Reevesverse. I don't think they'd have any qualms about bringing in a different Harley in both the DCU and the Reevesverse either because they've had multiple Batman and Joker incarnations in separate ongoing movie series at the same time, so I could easily see them doing the same thing with Harley.

 

[Ninjablade]

I'm allergic to mediocrity

 

[The Caped Knight]

I never watched those 21 Jump Street movies.

I'm allergic to Jonah Hill and mediocrity.

Seriously?! 🤯😮

 

[flickchick85]

LOL come on FC, give them some credit. Black Panther might be the best one overall but The First Avenger, The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame all have amazing scores.

Those are all…fine and serviceable, but the only one that actually became iconic was the Avengers theme, and that feels more out of repetition in constantly wildly successful movies than from being an actual great theme. There have been very few truly great superhero scores in this “golden age of CBM’s” imo. Absolutely nothing has come close to Williams, and I’d say the most memorable stuff from the era came from Zimmer on the DC side. The MCU has been the king of “serviceable but unmemorable” scores.

 

[mclay18]

Still have less than zero interest in this movie but will be buying the score day 1. Sounds like it might be the best MCU score to date. (Low bar outside of Black Panther, I know, but still)

I wish Disney would go back to more physical soundtrack releases (or license them like they did with the Sony home media deal) instead of putting them out for digital purchase only.

Intrada Records inked a deal with Disney years ago for physical CD releases of their catalog and new movies (they were able to release several 1980s and 1990s scores by James Horner among other composers). They released the first Avengers score and Thor 2 on CD.

I don’t know if their deal expired but I would love to see a physical release for titles like Captain Marvel and X-Men 97.

 

[Drizzle]

Those are all…fine and serviceable, but the only one that actually became iconic was the Avengers theme, and that feels more out of repetition in constantly wildly successful movies than from being an actual great theme. There have been very few truly great superhero scores in this “golden age of CBM’s” imo. Absolutely nothing has come close to Williams, and I’d say the most memorable stuff from the era came from Zimmer on the DC side. The MCU has been the king of “serviceable but unmemorable” scores.

I do agree that a lot of the MCU scores have been serviceable but unmemorable, especially post-Endgame. Unfortunately it's hard pressing to find many modern iconic movie themes on par with the likes of Williams classics like Superman these days, not just within the superhero genre but movies in general. Zimmer is a legend in his own right and Giacchino and Goransson (to name a few) are definitely carrying the torch. For me, not everything needs to be on par with Williams's Superman theme or Elfman and Zimmer's Batman themes but some of the scores are still plenty great in their own right.

Also, is it bad that when you brought up "Zimmer on the DC side", for a good five seconds I thought you were talking about the Man of Steel score?

 

[flickchick85]

I do agree that a lot of the MCU scores have been serviceable but unmemorable, especially post-Endgame. Unfortunately it's hard pressing to find many modern iconic movie themes on par with the likes of Williams classics like Superman these days, not just within the superhero genre but movies in general. Zimmer is a legend in his own right and Giacchino and Goransson (to name a few) are definitely carrying the torch. For me, not everything needs to be on par with Williams's Superman theme or Elfman and Zimmer's Batman themes but some of the scores are still plenty great in their own right.

Also, is it bad that when you brought up "Zimmer on the DC side", for a good five seconds I thought you were talking about the Man of Steel score?

I actually love the MoS score. It's the one thing I unapologetically love from that movie. I was mainly referring to the TDK trilogy, although my personal favorite superhero score of the decade was actually his score for WW1984. That score gives me actual chills.

And to be clear, when I say "nothing holds a candle to Williams," I don't mean in terms of style or melody. Williams is Williams, there isn't another, period. I just mean in terms of the score making a movie sound like AN EVENT. So many superhero scores just sound so generically heroic to me these days. They don't have that epic "oh this is something special" vibe about them. James Horner's TASM score had that x-factor to me (RIP). Zimmer and Giacchino are the only 2 composers regularly making scores like that to me anymore. Though so far I feel even Giacchino's Marvel stuff has been some of his lesser work, while The Batman was one of his best. But that F4 score sounds like it's got that "something special" factor they've been missing imo, even if I don't actually think the movie itself will be all that special at all. The score might actually make it feel like it is lol!

 

[Ninjablade]

Haven't given Giacchino's FF theme a full listen yet, but I'm sure I'll like it since I love his work. Given he's working with a blah filmmaker like Shackman, I don't know if the whole score will be interesting. His Doctor Strange theme is fantastic, but the full work is pretty meh because of Derrickson.

 

[mclay18]

I actually love the MoS score. It's the one thing I unapologetically love from that movie. I was mainly referring to the TDK trilogy, although my personal favorite superhero score of the decade was actually his score for WW1984. That score gives me actual chills.

That score definitely surprised me. It was really, really good. Where was this Zimmer that should’ve worked on the Nolan and Snyder DC films? And unlike the Nolan Batman movies, he didn’t abandon the motif he wrote for Diana— he played around with it and gave it some refreshing arrangements.

Would’ve liked to hear what he would’ve done for a third WW movie directed by Jenkins.