The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: Quoth the Kraven, "Nevermore." - Part 61

[Lily Adler]

I tried and failed here with the name

 

[Ninjablade]

I tried and failed here with the name

I would've had it been "Kraven for Doom", but it's okay. I forgive you

 

[Spider-Fan]

How about Kraven's Hunt of Doom? Or Kravensday?

 

[Lily Adler]

I would've had it been "Kraven for Doom", but it's okay. I forgive you

How about Kraven's Hunt of Doom? Or Kravensday?

I tried to add FF: First Steps alright.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I tried to add FF: FIrst Steps alright.

I think lol, maybe Kraven's First Dance

 

[Batgirl0202]

Random Sunday Afternoon Thoughts Version 1000

Was I ever wrong about Deadpool & Wolverine's box office prospects. Here I thought $1 billion wasn't in the cards but I seriously underestimated how the general audience would respond to this film. If anything, this and Inside Out 2 prove that audiences will still come out for comic book/fantasy/animated films that are perceived as special/important entries in their genres, or if they're successfully marketed as 'events'. Will Brave New World and Thunderbolts* have the same effect on audiences? Marvel better hope so...

Speaking of which, the Disney Family of studios is having themselves quite the summer, and the party is expected to continue with Alien: Romulus next weekend. I'm not a fan of this type of studio monopoly but at least some films are getting butts into seats, which is healthy for theater survival...

Something is making me think that Fantastic Four and Superman are both going to hit it right out of the park next year. Don't ask me why but I can sense the momentum building around both films. It should be a great ride seeing which one comes out on top, box office wise...

It looks like Borderlands is DOA, the second genre film and would-be Deadpool challenger in a row after Harold and the Purple Crayon to flop. As Forbes put it, "it’s not enough anymore to stick a brand name on some adaptation sporting a bunch of CGI and a few stars’ names on the poster and expect people to show up." Studios will need to work harder if they want to tap into some of that sweet genre money being enjoyed by films like Barbie, Mario Bros, Deadpool, and Inside Out. Many insiders are predicting that Moana 2 will be joining the billion dollar club also later this year...

I've been reading some interesting theories online about that RDJ as Doom fiasco. Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) there are several precedents from the comics where alternate universe versions of Tony Stark become Doom, and some are theorizing that RDJ will be playing both Doom and Stark in the next couple Avengers movies, thereby justifying his huge paycheck. This makes more sense to me than just bringing in the guy who played Iron Man and casting him as Doom with no explanation, hoping that general audiences won't be confused as hell...

I've also been reading theories that Marvel secretly brought back Chris Evans as Captain America during those Brave New World reshoots, and are saving his surprise return for the final trailer, just like the studio did with Spider-Man back in the Civil War marketing. If true, it strikes me as very sad that a studio, once viewed as a trailblazer not too long ago, is now resorting to nostalgia to sell their films

I'm oddly looking forward to Kraven the Hunter later this year. I won't be seeing this in theatres but it should make for a gloriously trashy home viewing experience. The film is giving me a vague Madame Web/Venom mashup vibe, which should result in one of the most fascinating train wrecks of the year if they can pull it off!

And finally, I watched the Agatha All Along trailer again recently. I don't care if I have to use up all my sick days at work, I'm really hoping to fit the show into my Spooky Season viewing this year

 

[Drunken Rider]

I see it as Kraven's First Doom. But typo going typo.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Whenever we change to a new thread, it feels like:

Said it before and it was true: all the Post Endgame MCU needed was mutants and the first mutant related film goes to a billion.

Wolverine is officially in that box with Batman and Spidey.

 

[Venom 1988]

Will Brave New World and Thunderbolts* have the same effect on audiences? Marvel better hope so...

I don't think they'll be hitting a billion but I do think they'll probably do better than people might think.

 

[Drizzle]

Said it before and it was true: all the Post Endgame MCU needed was mutants and the first mutant related film goes to a billion.

Wolverine is officially in that box with Batman and Spidey.

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It's interesting that in its 20 years of existence, no movie in the Fox Marvel movie franchise reached a billion and the first time out that Disney has them in the sandbox they hit that number. To this day I'm still surprised that neither DOFP or Deadpool 2 made it past the $700-$800 million range.

I don't think they'll be hitting a billion but I do think they'll probably do better than people might think.

Some quick predictions for next year:

I think Brave New World will do better than Thunderbolts but both of them are likely to fare better at the box office than Quantumania and The Marvels did last year provided word of mouth isn't bad (like Quantumania) and there's no imminent strike to cripple the press tour for either of them (like The Marvels).

I think Fantastic Four will be the biggest hit for Marvel at the box office next year but I can't see that making it to a billion either. Truthfully I don't see any movie in their upcoming slate reaching $1B until Avengers: Doomsday.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think they'll be hitting a billion but I do think they'll probably do better than people might think.

I think Cap 4 if they get L&T type numbers, they should be happy with that. Thunderbolts, I am not sure what to expect honestly. Won't really know until we see what kind of buzz trailers and such generate.

 

[Drizzle]

I think Cap 4 if they get L&T type numbers, they should be happy with that. Thunderbolts, I am not sure what to expect honestly. Won't really know until we see what kind of buzz trailers and such generate.

My guess is, if Eternals managed to do $400M worldwide with a cast of completely unknown characters while we were still more or less in pandemic times, I think Thunderbolts can do okay with Florence Pugh and Sebastian Stan as the leads with a cast of characters that have mostly all been introduced in previous MCU projects.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It's interesting that in its 20 years of existence, no movie in the Fox Marvel movie franchise reached a billion and the first time out that Disney has them in the sandbox they hit that number. To this day I'm still surprised that neither DOFP or Deadpool 2 made it past the $700-$800 million range.


Some quick predictions for next year:

I think Brave New World will do better than Thunderbolts but both of them are likely to fare better at the box office than Quantumania and The Marvels did last year provided word of mouth isn't bad (like Quantumania) and there's no imminent strike to cripple the press tour for either of them (like The Marvels).

I think Fantastic Four will be the biggest hit for Marvel at the box office next year but I can't see that making it to a billion either. Truthfully I don't see any movie in their upcoming slate reaching $1B until Avengers: Doomsday.

I mean the Foxverse plateaued because they only treated the X-Men as a commodity to take random liberties with instead of respecting its lore. Even though Deadpool & Wolverine was mindless fun, Disney still respected the source material and the characters and made it feel like a comic come to life.

And it paid off, big time.

As far as next year, I really think the one to do big numbers is The Fantastic Four. Gunn’s Superman looks good, but I see the FF eclipsing it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I mean the Foxverse plateaued because they only treated the X-Men as a commodity to take random liberties with instead of respecting its lore. Even though Deadpool & Wolverine was brainless fun, Disney still respected the source material and the characters and made it feel like a comic come to life.

And it paid off, big time.

As far as next year, I really think the one to do big numbers is The Fantastic Four. Gunn’s Superman looks good, but I see the FF eclipsing it.

Fantastic Four I think Marvel should be happy if it can hit $500 mil. Anything above that is icing, imo.

 

[Lily Adler]

I see it as Kraven's First Doom. But typo going typo.

I saw Craving First Doom.

 

[Zant]

Whenever we change to a new thread, it feels like:

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Said it before and it was true: all the Post Endgame MCU needed was mutants and the first mutant related film goes to a billion.

Wolverine is officially in that box with Batman and Spidey.

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Lets see Disney do this without Fox men chracters shall we

 

[Drizzle]

I mean the Foxverse plateaued because they only treated the X-Men as a commodity to take random liberties with instead of respecting its lore. Even though Deadpool & Wolverine was brainless fun, Disney still respected the source material and the characters and made it feel like a comic come to life.

And it paid off, big time.

As far as next year, I really think the one to do big numbers is The Fantastic Four. Gunn’s Superman looks good, but I see the FF eclipsing it.

At the risk of sounding like Marge Simpson with an "I hope both teams have fun" type of mentality, I'm rooting for both Superman and Fantastic Four to do great at the box office. Both of those IPs desperately need a win. If anything, I want the next Jurassic World movie to f*** off and leave them alone so that Supes and FF have more breathing room at the box office next July.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Lets see Disney do this without Fox men chracters shall we

You say that as if the Foxverse had Avengers level box office.

 

[Zant]

You say that as if the Foxverse had Avengers level box office.

Like I said..lets see MCU mutants pull these numbers without FOX men nostalgia...

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Lets see Disney do this without Fox men chracters shall we

Yep or more specifically Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. Disney had nothing to do with Deadpool & Wolverine. This was Ryan Reynolds' baby. He was the architect behind this. No other actor in any other superhero franchise is as involved creatively as he is. That's not even going into how good he is as a marketer. This was an event because people have been begging to see these two actors/characters team up. If it was two other actors or even two other mutants, we would be having a very different conversation. Either way, both these gentleman have secured their seats at the table for the foreseeable future. Disney shareholders will be begging Feige to bring them both back asap.

 

[Drizzle]

You say that as if the Foxverse had Avengers level box office.

This got me thinking.

Hypothetically, let's say Disney never bought Fox and the merger didn't happen. Deadpool 3 happens regardless but do they try to coax Jackman into reprising Wolverine for it? And if so, would it still reach $1B even without the MCU boost?

 

[Iceman]

Random Sunday Afternoon Thoughts Version 1000

Was I ever wrong about Deadpool & Wolverine's box office prospects. Here I thought $1 billion wasn't in the cards but I seriously underestimated how the general audience would respond to this film. If anything, this and Inside Out 2 prove that audiences will still come out for comic book/fantasy/animated films that are perceived as special/important entries in their genres, or if they're successfully marketed as 'events'. Will Brave New World and Thunderbolts* have the same effect on audiences? Marvel better hope so...

Speaking of which, the Disney Family of studios is having themselves quite the summer, and the party is expected to continue with Alien: Romulus next weekend. I'm not a fan of this type of studio monopoly but at least some films are getting butts into seats, which is healthy for theater survival...

Something is making me think that Fantastic Four and Superman are both going to hit it right out of the park next year. Don't ask me why but I can sense the momentum building around both films. It should be a great ride seeing which one comes out on top, box office wise...

It looks like Borderlands is DOA, the second genre film and would-be Deadpool challenger in a row after Harold and the Purple Crayon to flop. As Forbes put it, "it’s not enough anymore to stick a brand name on some adaptation sporting a bunch of CGI and a few stars’ names on the poster and expect people to show up." Studios will need to work harder if they want to tap into some of that sweet genre money being enjoyed by films like Barbie, Mario Bros, Deadpool, and Inside Out. Many insiders are predicting that Moana 2 will be joining the billion dollar club also later this year...

I've been reading some interesting theories online about that RDJ as Doom fiasco. Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) there are several precedents from the comics where alternate universe versions of Tony Stark become Doom, and some are theorizing that RDJ will be playing both Doom and Stark in the next couple Avengers movies, thereby justifying his huge paycheck. This makes more sense to me than just bringing in the guy who played Iron Man and casting him as Doom with no explanation, hoping that general audiences won't be confused as hell...

I've also been reading theories that Marvel secretly brought back Chris Evans as Captain America during those Brave New World reshoots, and are saving his surprise return for the final trailer, just like the studio did with Spider-Man back in the Civil War marketing. If true, it strikes me as very sad that a studio, once viewed as a trailblazer not too long ago, is now resorting to nostalgia to sell their films

I'm oddly looking forward to Kraven the Hunter later this year. I won't be seeing this in theatres but it should make for a gloriously trashy home viewing experience. The film is giving me a vague Madame Web/Venom mashup vibe, which should result in one of the most fascinating train wrecks of the year if they can pull it off!

And finally, I watched the Agatha All Along trailer again recently. I don't care if I have to use up all my sick days at work, I'm really hoping to fit the show into my Spooky Season viewing this year

It’s good to see some of our genre films making big money again, I think even those who aren’t fans will benefit with the security it gives to other related films that they might be fans of.

I’m also optimistic on F4 and Supes’ chances having not been all that optimistic when they were announced and the initial period after. What I’ve seen/heard of them so far plus the casting for both has got me excited. I don’t expect either to be formula CBMs and think they’ll have something extra under the hood.

If RDJ comes back as a Stark variant that comes much closer to justifying a huge pay cheque, even if he is also Doom. I’d be much happier with that and the main downside would be that he’s unlikely to play Doom for multiple phases which is what I wanted for Doom.

I don’t really mind Marvel doing it here as this multiverse mega event is naturally about variants and I’d expect them to take advantage of their established history (like in Endgame going back to the original Avengers battle for NY amongst others). I think bringing them back could have been on the cards even if every film since Endgame had been a big hit. After that though, yes, diving back to pull the big names back in when the project is floundering would seem a lot cheaper (not financially cheaper though lol).

Kraven needs to dive headfirst into the trashy side and give up any hope of being a traditionally good film, this is the only way anything can work in the Venom-verse (mainly as modern Sony are pretty clueless on how to manage it).

There was a period where I was thinking they were absolutely going to F the Agatha show up but I’m much more optimistic now after the trailers (and adding Aubrey Plaza).

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont care if Superman or FF do better. I am a fan of both properties and want both movies to be good and do well enough to warrant sequels. This ain't a game where score keeping matters or you win something for being on the "winning" team.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Like I said..lets see MCU mutants pull these numbers without FOX men nostalgia...

And again I say, it's not like the Foxverse was some billion dollar heavy hitter with beloved characters outside of Deadpool and Wolverine that could do their own solos.

Alexandra Shipp's Storm or Tye Sheridan's Cyclops didn't bring in billions for Fox, and the highest the X-Men got under that regime didn't even crack 800 million when every other MCU movie around that time was making billions.

So I say all that to say, this was a feat for D&W with a lot of thanks due to the Mouse. And I'm sure more mutant properties will follow suit.

This got me thinking.

Hypothetically, let's say Disney never bought Fox and the merger didn't happen. Deadpool 3 happens regardless but do they try to coax Jackman into reprising Wolverine for it? And if so, would it still reach $1B even without the MCU boost?

I believe the original plot for Fox's Deadpool 3 was bringing Wolverine into the mix as a road trip/Rashomon movie. That being said, I still don't see it making a billion. Not without that Disney, MCU chaos magic infused in it.

 

[lenz]

I think FF will move to the fall. Superman had been shooting for 150 days plus prior to the FF starting principle photography. Yet the release schedule for both films is only two weeks apart? This doesn't add up.