The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: Quoth the Kraven, "Nevermore." - Part 61

[DarthSkywalker]

You can argue who the best joker is but several people topped Phoenix’ Joker.

Ledger is the best Joker, easily imo. But I think it's fair to say Phoenix has the second best performance as a character named Joker. It just didn't really have much to do with the original character.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I loved Heath, all my four years of college I had his poster in all of my dorms, but…

Jack is the definitive Mistah J.



Let’s argue.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

So, I watched Joker 2 today and honestly, I didn't hate it. I wouldn't call it a good movie, but there was definitely stuff that I liked about it although the musical stuff just didn't work at all IMO.

Gaga was good, but damn was her character poorly written. Just a waste of her talent outside of the singing stuff which she killed but I just didn't care for whatever version of HQ this was supposed to be.

Also, after rewatching the first movie and then seeing this movie I can say that while Phoenix does a great job acting in both films I just can't get that invested in Arthur Fleck as a character.

Maybe its the writing but I can at least somewhat appreciate them trying to do something different in this film with the Asylum/Courtroom stuff because I felt like we actually got some layers to the character.

It's a real mess of a film and I can see why general audiences are hating it because it just isn't that enjoyable to watch but it was worth a one-time watch for me at the very least.

I still don't see where that $200 million dollar budget went though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, I watched Joker 2 today and honestly, I didn't hate it. I wouldn't call it a good movie, but there was definitely stuff that I liked about it although the musical stuff just didn't work at all IMO.

Gaga was good, but damn was her character poorly written. Just a waste of her talent outside of the singing stuff which she killed but I just didn't care for whatever version of HQ this was supposed to be.

Also, after rewatching the first movie and then seeing this movie I can say that while Phoenix does a great job acting in both films I just can't get that invested in Arthur Fleck as a character.

Maybe its the writing but I can at least somewhat appreciate them trying to do something different in this film with the Asylum/Courtroom stuff because I felt like we actually got some layers to the character.

It's a real mess of a film and I can see why general audiences are hating it because it just isn't that enjoyable to watch but it was worth a one-time watch for me at the very least.

I still don't see where that $200 million dollar budget went though.

No one had a sequel in their contract. That's where.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Everyone getting ready to review Joker: Folie a Deux -

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Everyone getting ready to review Joker: Folie a Deux -

That’s life.

 

[Nardz937]

Ledger is the best Joker, easily imo. But I think it's fair to say Phoenix has the second best performance as a character named Joker. It just didn't really have much to do with the character.

Joaquin was terrific in the first movie. But it's disappointing he's never going to reach his full potential as the character without having a Batman to play off of.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Joaquin was terrific in the first movie. But it's disappointing he's never going to reach his full potential as the character without having a Batman to play off of.

I don't feel like Arthur is built for a Batman. If anything, a Batman would dilute the character by emphasizing how full of crap he is. Arthur isn't Mr. J, with the conviction or purpose. He's a weak man looking to blame others for what he is. Batman would crush him.

 

[Sithborg]

The weekend multiplier is going to be fascinating in where it ends up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The weekend multiplier is going to be fascinating in where it ends up.

This movie ain't getting to 200m WW.

 

[Sithborg]

This movie ain't getting to 200m WW.

No, it is not. Someone at WB is getting yelled at.

 

[Iceman]

Ledger is the best Joker, easily imo. But I think it's fair to say Phoenix has the second best performance as a character named Joker. It just didn't really have much to do with the original character.

That’s how I see it. The acting performance is better than say Nicholson’s Joker but I love Nicholson’s a ton more.

 

[Iceman]

I loved Heath, all my four years of college I had his poster in all of my dorms, but…

Jack is the definitive Mistah J.

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Let’s argue.

No one compares on the fun stakes.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I loved The Joker, but I still think Heath Leadger was still the best Joker overall. The worst for me is Leto.

The worst for everyone was Leto.

Well, except maybe Ayer and Snyder.

 

[Moncton]

I still can't believe Joker 2 cost $200 million, I tried to calculate how much money DC films have lost over the past few years and Excel gave me an error msg stating that the numbers are a mathematical impossibility.

 

[Venom 1988]

lol

Francis Ford Coppola Praises Todd Phillips as ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Flails: “He’s Always One Step Ahead of the Audience”

The 'Joker' sequel is the first Hollywood comic book pic in history to receive a D CinemaScore — only slightly worse than the D+ awarded Coppola's box office flop 'Megalopolis.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Iceman]

Just saw a GA friend post on FB offering their 2 Joker tickets for free to anyone. “I booked them before I realised it’s a musical with naff reviews” 😂😂

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Has DC had a single box office hit since the Discovery merger? The Batman came out a month before and I can't think of anything that would even remotely be considered a success since then, but it is possible I am forgetting something.

 

[Filmfreak]

Has DC had a single box office hit since the Discovery merger? The Batman came out a month before and I can't think of anything that would even remotely be considered a success since then, but it is possible I am forgetting something.

Nothing on the film side. Even before WBD, take out The Batman and they had 10 flops/disasters in a row in the last four years!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Nothing on the film side. Even before WBD, take out The Batman and they had 10 flops/disasters in a row in the last four years!

This has to be in the running for the worst film franchise in history at this point. Even Sony has the Venom films. Plus at least their flops are relatively cheap to make.

 

[Deck Rickard]

lol

Francis Ford Coppola Praises Todd Phillips as ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Flails: “He’s Always One Step Ahead of the Audience”

The 'Joker' sequel is the first Hollywood comic book pic in history to receive a D CinemaScore — only slightly worse than the D+ awarded Coppola's box office flop 'Megalopolis.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

So what will go down as the worst movie of the year? Megaflopolis or Joker: Fully a Dookie?

 

[Kane52630]

So what will go down as the worst movie of the year? Megaflopolis or Joker: Fully a Dookie?

For me it's neither of them lol

Miller's Girl is by far the worst and cringiest movie I've seen all year. And then there's also Rebel Moon part 2.

 

[Deck Rickard]

For me it's neither of them lol

Miller's Girl is by far the worst and cringiest movie I've seen all year. And then there's also Rebel Moon part 2.

Oof, I forgot about Miller’s Girl. I didn’t see it (even though I love but actors) but premise seemed nauseating to me.

I’m sure Rebel Moon 2 was worse than everything but I don’t think there were any expectations for that one, lol.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Y’all know I’m not one to clock the box office numbers but Joker and Morbius being mentioned in the same breath, there’s something very meta about that…

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This has to be in the running for the worst film franchise in history at this point. Even Sony has the Venom films. Plus at least their flops are relatively cheap to make.

And the Spider-Verse flicks. Honestly, it hasn't been that bad for Sony. Majority hits since the deal with Marvel Studios, even if you don't count the MCU movies, which they are technically the producers of.