The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

[emielaen]

That’s a pretty cool pick. He’s gotta handle on vibrant scifi visuals with realistic, gritty tinges.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[MbJ]

They’re cooking here.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Still Wynning]

I can already hear the cries of Snyderbros accusing James Gunn of stealing Zack’s cinematography style.

 

[Iceman]

There are some legit reasons for me to have more confidence in the DCU’s chances than I had a while back. The GL show in particular seems to have had a continuous stream of good news. The dream would be for Superman, Supergirl, the new Bats and the underlying shows to all come out to positive reception and live happily alongside a continuing/thriving Reeves-verse Batworld, but pretty much most of DC history will keep me from getting too optimistic for long term success for now. Nice to dream though.

 

[Ninjablade]

Rob Hardy is awesome and I love his work. Hopefully this isn't an MCU situation where they get these awesome cinematographers only to make them shoot in an ugly house style for the DCU.

 

[mclay18]

Rob Hardy’s work is fantastic, especially if he’s shooting on 35mm. Knowing that Craig Gillespie has shot digitally for years (save for I, Tonya), he’ll likely use Arri Alexa 65 or the Panavision Millennium DXL2.

 

[flickchick85]

I love Rob Hardy! Great pick for DP.

 

[mclay18]

Rob Hardy is awesome and I love his work. Hopefully this isn't an MCU situation where they get these awesome cinematographers only to make them shoot in an ugly house style for the DCU.

Marvel Studios has a digital only mandate for their film productions since 2013 — which is part of the problem (not having a good shooting script in place is another). Saving $$$ on not processing and shipping film works on paper, but costs ramp up (like overtime) when they’re on set capturing hours and hours of footage. Not every director does that but my point stands.

While I wasn’t a big fan of Twisters, it actually looked like it cost more than Deadpool & Wolverine. They shot the former on film stock with a complete script on location— and it only cost $150M-175M.

 

[kguillou]

So Hollywood actually made “Glicked” a thing. Both films, while not performing like their Barbenheimer predecessors, are still performing very well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Too bad the director sucks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There are some legit reasons for me to have more confidence in the DCU’s chances than I had a while back. The GL show in particular seems to have had a continuous stream of good news. The dream would be for Superman, Supergirl, the new Bats and the underlying shows to all come out to positive reception and live happily alongside a continuing/thriving Reeves-verse Batworld, but pretty much most of DC history will keep me from getting too optimistic for long term success for now. Nice to dream though.

We have a Batman. An awesome one. It's all the world needs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

@emielaen Gillespie made one of my favorite movies in Lars and the Real Girl. He's also the guy who made Cruella, which while I liked it, is a poorly directed film and shows his tentpole sensibilities. This is before we get into the fact that they hired a MAN to direct the SuperGIRL movie. I like I,Tonya. But one thing that sticks with me about that movie is how much it feels directed by man. Same for Cruella.

 

[emielaen]

@emielaen Gillespie made one of my favorite movies in Lars and the Real Girl. He's also the guy who made Cruella, which while I liked it, is a poorly directed film and shows his tentpole sensibilities. This is before we get into the fact that they hired a MAN to direct the SuperGIRL movie. I like I,Tonya. But one thing that sticks with me about that movie is how much it feels directed by man. Same for Cruella.

Sounds like he made two films you like and one you didn't like. He can't be all bad. A man also wrote that Supergirl story and it's probably her best one ever. Men can tell stories about women.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sounds like he made two films you like and one you didn't like. He can't be all bad. A man also wrote that Supergirl story and it's probably her best one ever. Men can tell stories about women.

I differentiate between something I like and it's quality. I liked Moana 2. I also think it's a pretty bad movie.

Men can tell stories about women. Women can tell stories about men. Enby folks can tell stories about both and neither. But only one gets a constant chance to **** it up.

And in this case, I don't want a Supergirl story, that's missing the girl of it all. Why Lars and the Real Girl works so well, is it's a tale of male loneliness. It feels genuine. Why I think both I, Tonya and Cruella aren't nearly as good, is because they feel like someone who's impression of what a woman is incredibly superficial. The best part of I, Tonya are all the idiots. Which happen to be, you guessed, men.

I'm in general, disenchanted with how cis white man the creative of the DCU is. A lot of it quality yes, but outside of Sgt. Rock, what else do we have?

 

[emielaen]

Men can tell stories about women. Women can tell stories about men. Enby folks can tell stories about both and neither. But only one gets a constant chance to **** it up.

That wasn't really how you delivered your distaste with the choice to begin with. I don't think anyone would disagree that men get far more chances to fail upward. A women would've been cool to get the job, but I just don't think it is in doomsday-level jeopardy because a man is directing it. A woman also wrote it tbf.

And in this case, I don't want a Supergirl story, that's missing the girl of it all. Why Lars and the Real Girl works so well, is it's a tale of male loneliness. It feels genuine. Why I think both I, Tonya and Cruella aren't nearly as good, is because they feel like someone who's impression of what a woman is incredibly superficial. The best part of I, Tonya are all the idiots. Which happen to be, you guessed, men.

We probably just agree to disagree because I found Janney and Margot to be the most interesting parts of I, Tonya and I liked it a ton more than Lars...

I'm in general, disenchanted with how cis white man the creative of the DCU is. A lot of it quality yes, but outside of Sgt. Rock, what else do we have?

A woman wrote Supergirl. I'm pretty sure there are multiple women co-writing Lanterns. A woman is directing multiple episodes of Peacemaker S2. A woman is co-creating Waller. I don't disagree with your point. But quality is quality.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I, Tonya really should've been Robbie's Oscar.

And that soundtrack for Cruella shouldn't slap the way it should. SO good.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah as much as I enjoyed Frances McDormand's performance in Three Billboards, that was clearly Margot Robbie's Oscar for I Tonya.

I also forgot Craig Gillespie also directed the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell and Dumb Money was underrated last year.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That wasn't really how you delivered your distaste with the choice to begin with. I don't think anyone would disagree that men get far more chances to fail upward. A women would've been cool to get the job, but I just don't think it is in doomsday-level jeopardy because a man is directing it. A woman also wrote it tbf.

Did I say it was a doomsday-level jeopardy?

I also feel like the vibe of, "a woman would've been cool but" is the general problem with this stuff. It's downplayed, if not just straight up brushed aside. It's a movie where the main character is a woman, and my issue here is I don't think the director handles that well.

We probably just agree to disagree because I found Janney and Margot to be the most interesting parts of I, Tonya and I liked it a ton more than Lars...

I think both Janney and Robbie are good. I also think they're playing obvious stereotypes, that harken back to how men see women. But both are also very good actors, do their best, so they get a lot out of the material.

Speaking of a difference, I just finished 2049 for like the 50th time. A film where the very concept I'm discussing is turned on it's head.

Have you seen Cruella?

A woman wrote Supergirl. I'm pretty sure there are multiple women co-writing Lanterns. A woman is directing multiple episodes of Peacemaker S2. A woman is co-creating Waller. I don't disagree with your point. But quality is quality.

Lantern has two men as showrunners, every single director attached to a movie so far is a man, and how many people are of color?

Quality is quality. It's the overlooking of non-white male quality that is my issue.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I, Tonya really should've been Robbie's Oscar.

And that soundtrack for Cruella shouldn't slap the way it should. SO good.

It has to, because it's a music video, not a movie.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It has to, because it's a music video, not a movie.

Hater!

Nah but really, I LOVED what both Emmas did in that movie. Just good old fashioned fun IMO.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah as much as I enjoyed Frances McDormand's performance in Three Billboards, that was clearly Margot Robbie's Oscar for I Tonya.

I also forgot Craig Gillespie also directed the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell and Dumb Money was underrated last year.

Ultra random question for you:

You ever watched that Tom Hanks movie A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood? The one where he plays Mister Rogers?

If you did, is it worth a watch? I'm tryna see something.

 

[Kane52630]

You ever watched that Tom Hanks movie A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood? The one where he plays Mister Rogers?

If you did, is it worth a watch? I'm tryna see something.

Yeah I saw it, I enjoyed it at the time but it wasn't necessarily a traditional biopic on Mr. Rogers and Tom Hanks isn't in it as much as you think.

The doc on Mister Rogers was way better. (I think it's still on netflix)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I saw it, I enjoyed it at the time but it wasn't necessarily a traditional biopic on Mr. Rogers and Tom Hanks isn't in it as much as you think.

The doc on Mister Rogers was way better. (I think it's still on netflix)

Is it better then his Walt Disney biopic?