The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

[Snow Queen]

@flickchick85 :

 

[Sithborg]

I swear to god Filoni....

 

[Deck Rickard]

First, we had twincest Hutts in that Boba Fett show. Now we learn that Jabba got busy with someone and they had a kid.

What is Lucasfilm’s recent obsession with making us all painfully aware that Hutts f***?

 

[Snow Queen]

What is Lucasfilm’s recent obsession with making us all painfully aware that Hutts f***?

To be fair, we've known this one since 2008.

 

[Deck Rickard]

To be fair, we've known this one since 2008.

I’ll be seeing that in my nightmares. Thanks.

 

[Snow Queen]

I’ll be seeing that in my nightmares. Thanks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I also think that the Star Wars films didn't spend over a $100 million on just 4 people. I mean, the FF, Thunderbolts, various Young Avengers, Simu Lu are all on the cheaper side of their contracts. Hemsworth, Holland, Larson are all going to be 8 digits.

But then again, I'm here still aghast at RDJ and Russo's paydays.

I don't understand your point. How they get to super high price tags will be different. JJ spent money on location filming and such. The Avengers will spend it on crew. How does that change the ROI? Do you think these movies won't be making 2bil apiece? Do you think they won't have all time partner deals?

 

[Sithborg]

I don't understand your point. How they get to super high price tags will be different. JJ spent money on location filming and such. The Avengers will spend it on crew. How does that change the ROI? Do you think these movies won't be making 2bil apiece? Do you think they won't have all time partner deals?

Again, public facing budget is going to be that high. POTC 4 wasn't originally reported as $400 mil. There are certain costs they can't hide, namely how much they pay the talent. Remember how they slipped early on, either Feige or Whedon, I forget, with little old Avengers 1, with its paltry reported $220 million budget. How that film needed to hit a billion? Which is why, while I do enjoy the public numbers, what the studios actually do afterward is the more telling story of a movie's success.

And the funny thing about ROI, is that it isn't a straight line for expectations. Making profit vs making the profit we want. You spend this much money, they are going to want much, much more money. So, while 2 billion may hit the profit threshold, there is no way that is what they are aiming for.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Again, public facing budget is going to be that high. POTC 4 wasn't originally reported as $400 mil. There are certain costs they can't hide, namely how much they pay the talent. Remember how they slipped early on, either Feige or Whedon, I forget, with little old Avengers 1, with its paltry reported $220 million budget. How that film needed to hit a billion? Which is why, while I do enjoy the public numbers, what the studios actually do afterward is the more telling story of a movie's success.

And the funny thing about ROI, is that it isn't a straight line for expectations. Making profit vs making the profit we want. You spend this much money, they are going to want much, much more money. So, while 2 billion may hit the profit threshold, there is no way that is what they are aiming for.

The movies can cost 750m apiece (they won't). If combined the movies make 4 billion "only" (they'll make more), they're making well over a billion in profit off box office and merch, and they'll never have to spend a dime on advertising, as companies will be throwing money at them to do it. They won't be crossing a profit threshold. They're going to make a lot of money. A lot. While theoretically revitalizing their other flicks, leading to more profits.

I don't get why you think these movies won't make insane bank. The one thing we've learned from dumb movie going crowds, is they just want nostalgia of big **** they love. Look at the increases for Inside Out 2 and Moana 2 this year. Secret Wars would be on the way to being the first 3 bil movie, if Avatar 3 wasn't going to get there first.

Also the public facing budget stuff is a weird thing to bring up. Because even the "real" budgets are rarely real themselves. Leaving out a lot of the money these companies steal from state and local governments.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, Darth is right. They're gonna make close to 2 billion each, so regardless they're making money hand over fist

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

It’s ATJ month with Kraven, Nosferatu, and 28 Years Later marketing.

The other ATJ also had a cool trailer come out with The Gorge.

 

[kguillou]

The movies can cost 750m apiece (they won't). If combined the movies make 4 billion "only" (they'll make more), they're making well over a billion in profit off box office and merch, and they'll never have to spend a dime on advertising, as companies will be throwing money at them to do it. They won't be crossing a profit threshold. They're going to make a lot of money. A lot. While theoretically revitalizing their other flicks, leading to more profits.

I don't get why you think these movies won't make insane bank. The one thing we've learned from dumb movie going crowds, is they just want nostalgia of big **** they love. Look at the increases for Inside Out 2 and Moana 2 this year. Secret Wars would be on the way to being the first 3 bil movie, if Avatar 3 wasn't going to get there first.

Also the public facing budget stuff is a weird thing to bring up. Because even the "real" budgets are rarely real themselves. Leaving out a lot of the money these companies steal from state and local governments.

I think Secret Wars only makes Endgame money IF Doomsday is an absolute banger and good lead in to it. Endgame made all that money because it was this fever pitch main event that worldwide audiences were primed and ready for. And yes it was a great movie and finale on its own.

Doomsday is going to have to SLAP and have one Hell of a cliffhanger a la Thanos slap to get everyone and their momma wanting to tune in for the finale. Its possible, but right now Marvel’s not close to operating at the frequency they were during the Infinity War build up. I’m not confident in saying Doomsday or Secret Wars makes the money their predecessors made. But they will still do very well.

 

[Spider-Fan]

28 Years Later actually looks great though. Kraven looks like trash

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Ninjablade]

"For Now"

Morbers rise up.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Is this an editorial or a real article? Can't tell cause I can't read the whole thing.

But I mean....it's the right decision based on BO lol

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont think this is the end for Sony making Spider-Man spinoffs entirely. But I hope this means they will do a creative reset and start doing more sensible concepts. Making solo movies based on villains who are not villains in your movies and won't fight Spider-Man and taking Madame Web out of the trash heap were not the winning ideas

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Sony already killed that Silk TV series too.

If they still want to do that Black Cat movie or Silver Sable movie they should introduce the character first in a Spider-Man movie. Crazy idea I know.

Spider-Man Spinoff Silver Sable Writer No Longer With Project, Unsure of Status (Exclusive)

The world of Spider-Man has countless potential stories, with the live-action Venom films and the upcoming Madame Web being significant spinoffs from the Wall-Crawler, with Sony announcing years ago that they were developing a Silver & Black movie, yet those plans seemingly morphed into separate...

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[Drizzle]

Sidebar from Disney's greed, but I'm disgusted with myself for enjoying Creature Commandos.

Specifically the Bride and the second episode.

Kind of insane that the first prominent actor to play a Hutt isn't Bill Hader.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I dont think this is the end for Sony making Spider-Man spinoffs entirely. But I hope this means they will do a creative reset and start doing more sensible concepts. Making solo movies based on villains who are not villains in your movies and won't fight Spider-Man and taking Madame Web out of the trash heap were not the winning ideas

So what you’re saying is, you do the Scarlet Spider movie and I got Stunner?

 

[Lily Adler]

Does this mean Spider-Woman isn't happening?

EDIT: Is this El Mayimbe?

 

[Spider-Fan]

So what you’re saying is, you do the Scarlet Spider movie and I got Stunner?

If I was Sony, I would try to get a deal with Marvel Studios where we partner for 1 Spider-Man movie or Spider-Man character we have the license per year. That way the characters in my hypothetical Sonyverse can cross with the MCU and Spider-Man can make actual cameos in these things and make them legitimate to the audience. Maybe you build to a Sinister Six movie THIS way. Where Spider-Man can ACTUALLY be in it!

Yes, I get that means doing a 75/25 split probably like they are on Spider-Man solos. But if we can actually have Spider-Man or Daredevil or whoever interacting with these characters, then I think 75 percent of a modest success is better than 100% losses on a flop like Madame Web or Morbius or Kraven. That and my new characters like Spider-Woman can be in the Avengers also.

That's what Sony SHOULD do. But barring them doing that, they need to pick a Spider-Man like character they can use and make them the center of their universe.