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The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

Sometimes i do wonder what The Flash would have been like with Gustin in the role instead. He could have played the dual role much better and much more affable than Ezra's chalkboard scratching interpretation.
 
Sometimes i do wonder what The Flash would have been like with Gustin in the role instead. He could have played the dual role much better and much more affable than Ezra's chalkboard scratching interpretation.
It needed more naked Barry of course. :o
 
Sometimes i do wonder what The Flash would have been like with Gustin in the role instead.
Not me, I tend more to go down the rabbit hole of, “what if the Game Night guys had won in the Them vs. Ezra battle…who would they have recast with? What would that movie have looked like?”
 
My reasons for why The Flash didn't work...

The Michael Keaton Batman doesn't really generate much nostalgia because he is out of place in the DCEU. No Tim Burton, no stylized Gotham City... he doesn't even get to drive the iconic Batmobile. He is in daylight in most of his scenes. It never felt like the same character.

Ezra Miller sucks as The Flash. Was always a poor casting choice. And all the problematic stuff they were doing leading up to the film made them a detriment to selling the movie to audiences. But even before that, they weren't the type of actor that audiences wanted to see to begin with. Making them the lead in a superhero movie was always a bad fit.

The DCEU was dead. Audiences were ready to move on to the next thing.
 
My reasons for why The Flash didn't work...

The Michael Keaton Batman doesn't really generate much nostalgia because he is out of place in the DCEU. No Tim Burton, no stylized Gotham City... he doesn't even get to drive the iconic Batmobile. He is in daylight in most of his scenes. It never felt like the same character.

Ezra Miller sucks as The Flash. Was always a poor casting choice. And all the problematic stuff they were doing leading up to the film made them a detriment to selling the movie to audiences. But even before that, they weren't the type of actor that audiences wanted to see to begin with. Making them the lead in a superhero movie was always a bad fit.

The DCEU was dead. Audiences were ready to move on to the next thing.
Something tells me they really wanted Christian back and could only get Keaton and Andy just didn't get the aesthetic is crucial to Keaton's Bat films.
 
Grant not playing Flash isn't why it failed. But Ezra playing the role was a factor. They needed to recast with a completely different actor and also not focus on shoe horsing in Batman and crap. Focus on making a great movie about the Flash
 
Grant not playing Flash isn't why it failed. But Ezra playing the role was a factor. They needed to recast with a completely different actor and also not focus on shoe horsing in Batman and crap. Focus on making a great movie about the Flash
Hey you know how people loved Tony and Peter in the MCU? Let's do that with Bruce and Barry, but worse. :o
 
I fear the same.

I have said this before, but I think it's so weird when I see fans talking about 30y olds like they're too old for the X-Men. 30 is still super young, and people are looking younger and younger now.

DeWanda is now 40, and if you ask me, I think that's totally fine for Ororo. And the character doesn't have to be the same age as the actor, btw.

I think the X-Men should have different generations, but some of the main members like Storm, Cyclops and Jean should be a bit mature.

30 is perfect because is young while having some maturity.
I’d like to see generations too. If they can explain it away then I’d want Storm, Cyclops, Beast, Jean, Wolverine to be a bit older and also eventually having younger student types like Jubilee and Kitty.
 
Or maybe people didn't want to see the movie cause of a mix of Ezra Miller being the star and it sucked
Ezra being the star and it sucking aren’t totally independent events. :D Not that it didn’t also suck independently of Ezra too.
 
First women killed Superman Returns. Then they killed The Flash. They must be stopped.
 
I’d like to see generations too. If they can explain it away then I’d want Storm, Cyclops, Beast, Jean, Wolverine to be a bit older and also eventually having younger student types like Jubilee and Kitty.

I’ve long proposed the idea of there having been an OG teenage X Men squad superheroing under the radar. The MCU reboot would involve the now adult Scott and Jean trying to get the band back together.
 
I’ve long proposed the idea of there having been an OG teenage X Men squad superheroing under the radar. The MCU reboot would involve the now adult Scott and Jean trying to get the band back together.
Would work for me if they were doing low profile stuff (unlike the Avengers) before a boom in the number of young mutants meant the issue couldn't be kept under wraps anymore, time to go public.
 
First women killed Superman Returns. Then they killed The Flash. They must be stopped.
Yeah, I remember when Singer used that I wanted to make a romantic Superman movie about his relationship with Lois. You had him knock her up, memory wipe her, and left her for like 10 years.
 
Those damn demographics are to blame.

Oof

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While comic book movies skew male in the audience nearly every single time, the Flash had a 74% male skew on opening day which is beyond the norm. I'm thinking Ezra Miller's global antics may have affected the female demo more than the male, coupled with this Snyder Flash being most well known for falling into Wonder Woman's chest before this movie. Obviously other incarnations of the Flash have not had this big of a divide.

But there’s something else going on here with The Flash, billed by co-DC Boss James Gunn back in January as “probably one of the greatest superhero movies ever made.” And that’s that moviegoers disagree, giving it a B CinemaScore and 77% on Comscore/Screen Engine PostTrak exits, with a 59% recommend. That buzz, coupled with the fact that The Flash is very male-heavy and not pulling in as many women as Aquaman and Wonder Woman, is slowing it down.

The day is still young, though one thing about last night was how male-heavy Flash was at 74%. To some degree these figures are not surprising as this is where the box office openings of deep universe superhero movies live when they’re starting off a franchise.

But it's a copout to think that a Flash movie can't be made more appealing to women than the Snyderverse one ended up.

Also the movie failed because of what @AndrewGilkison said. Snyderverse was a dying universe like the Sony Spider-Man-less Spiderverse. The nostalgia bait may have been poorly thought out, I can't comment on this too much since I've never seen the movie and don't care to.

My reasons for why The Flash didn't work...

The Michael Keaton Batman doesn't really generate much nostalgia because he is out of place in the DCEU. No Tim Burton, no stylized Gotham City... he doesn't even get to drive the iconic Batmobile. He is in daylight in most of his scenes. It never felt like the same character.

Ezra Miller sucks as The Flash. Was always a poor casting choice. And all the problematic stuff they were doing leading up to the film made them a detriment to selling the movie to audiences. But even before that, they weren't the type of actor that audiences wanted to see to begin with. Making them the lead in a superhero movie was always a bad fit.

The DCEU was dead. Audiences were ready to move on to the next thing.
 

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