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The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

I liked the DD trailer. Willing to see where the story goes.

Happy to see my girl back:
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And with what looks like the gray streak of hair like in the comics.

This is off topic but I cant believe there are still people out there who think Bucky should have gotten the shield over Sam. I can't even imagine how cringe and awkward that final scene in Endgame would have been had Steve given the shield to Bucky with Sam, the guy who stood by him for four movies, standing right there. That would have narratively made no sense not mention the optics would have looked really bad.

Sam got the Shield, Bucky got Cap's heart.

The real crime of Endgame was that it wasn't Cap and Bucky dancing together, but the world wasn't ready for that :o
 
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This is off topic but I cant believe there are still people out there who think Bucky should have gotten the shield over Sam. I can't even imagine how cringe and awkward that final scene in Endgame would have been had Steve given the shield to Bucky with Sam, the guy who stood by him for four movies, standing right there. That would have narratively made no sense not mention the optics would have looked really bad.

1. The obvious racism is obvious.

2. There is an element not rooted in racism. As Bucky became Cap when he was killed in the Civil War. I'm sure the Sam Cap books have been good, but Bucky Cap's run was mainly through Brubaker, which is a top tier comic run.
 
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

First time watching this at home. I had almost forgotten what a strong emotional undercurrent the film has...

In a word: sublime :hrt:


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I had kind of forgotten till you mentioned it. I want to experience that again so on the list it goes. Also will help boost my hopes that Superman will turn out well and have solid emotional beats.
 
Yeah I'm not feeling Daredevil either.

Apart from looking ugly and more cartoony, everything feels like Feige is box ticking what he thinks fans want to see (which seems like it's working) but nothing feels organic, fresh or thought through. Maybe I'm wrong but from everything I've heard and seen of the show it's more like playing it safe, while throwing everything in the wall to see what sticks. Also, as someone else pointed out too, like Echo and Moon Knight, the violence seems toned down and disneyfied.

But I will still check it out and hopefully I'm wrong and this is another amazing season of a top tier superhero content.
 
I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.
 
The Daredevil trailer wasn't earth-shattering but after making peace with the end of DD after S3, I'm just excited that we get a continuation. And considering the slump we've been in, anything resembling the previous seasons will feel like a return to form

I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.
I agree with you in that legacy characters are rarely my jam, but the prospect on paper of a black captain America is one that I really like because it could be a really rich well to tap into.

But I'm not holding my breathe that we'll get anything close to what I want :funny:
 
I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.

Agreed.

The ONLY kind of legacy hero I can dig is if Bruce passes the cowl to Dick, but aside from that, like you said the Cap replacements never went well and that was the point. Poor Isaiah Bradley paid the ultimate price for that.

But who cares. Feige needs the money so Steve will be swinging that Shield in the MCU again soon. :o
 
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I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.
I thought Bucky worked in the comics as a temporary replacement for Cap, because he had just been un-brainwashed and needed redemption and Steve's belief in him to set him back on the right path for good. Dramatically, it was fun having a lot of the heroes doubting Captain America for once and treating him like a pretender, the imposter syndrome was strong in that one. But it feels unnecessary for movie Bucky because he's had a few films and a few years of being "good ole Bucky" again that most people (besides Tony Stark) would trust him.

Sam I've never liked as Cap, because Falcon was Steve's partner for years, not a sidekick, partner.
Falcon was a hero in his own right and didn't need a "promotion" to Captain America.
It'd be like Beast putting on Wonder Man's costume after he died
 
*A rare post where you don’t know whether to use Bane, Joker or Batman reaction because they all apply* :sneeze:
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I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.
I am not so much a fan of legacies either outside of things like the Green Lantern core or something thats a mantle like Black Panther or getting powers from some type of artifact or something. I don't think Batman needs replaced by a new Batman or a new Superman, etc. Captain America I get they're trying to make like, a position, but I don't love it being a mantle either. I would rather a character make their own identity into something unique to then. Sam is always going to be in Steve's shadow
 
I am not so much a fan of legacies either outside of things like the Green Lantern core or something thats a mantle like Black Panther or getting powers from some type of artifact or something. I don't think Batman needs replaced by a new Batman or a new Superman, etc. Captain America I get they're trying to make like, a position, but I don't love it being a mantle either. I would rather a character make their own identity into something unique to then. Sam is always going to be in Steve's shadow

Really?

But Batman can't be Batman... forever.
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I've always hated Sam as Captain America. Robbed him of his own identity and his own legacy. Falcon was a hero in his own right. Sam should be his own man that forges his own path instead of just following Steve's. I think the movies, and even that awful show to an extent, really hammer home how Captain America isn't just a mantle, it's intrinsically tied to who Steve is and his own beliefs.
 
The best new Captain America was the government giving the mantle to John Walker since then the entire point is that it's a bad idea to try to replace Steve Rogers. It's also good that they didn't go the simple villain route but rather someone that is a decent person but just can't live up to the legacy and therefor falls. That on its own tells a new story and further elevates Steve's status. The problem with most hero copies is that it generally devalues the original.
 
I think BOTH Bucky and Sam make for poor replacement Caps, personally. Idk, maybe it’s just my general bias against legacy characters outside of a few rare exceptions, but Steve Rogers was Cap because his story was epic and unique. The MCU even hammered home the notion that people had tried for 60 years to recreate the magic formula that created him and couldn’t do it because Steve himself was the magic ingredient.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, “actually, either of his best friends could do it. They’ve got skills!” Nah.

But then as mentioned, I’m just not a fan of superhero identities being mantles to be passed down, unless you’re a Lantern and it’s literally a job or something. But especially not for someone like Steve for whom the point of the story was “WHO YOU ARE is what makes you irreplicable.”

Bucky is Winter Soldier. Sam is Falcon. They can be their own leads with those identities imo.

I actually tehcnically agree with you. Even though i feel that it Steve HAD to choose someone to pass the “mantle” to it should be Sam…Sam also just isnt Captain America. They’re wanting us to believe this guy is supposed to lead the next phase of Avengers into battle with an "Avengers Assemble" battle cry and I dont see it. (I also dont know who the Heck the Avengers even are at this juncture but thats a different topic).

If anything, I feel like the next true leader of The Avengers would have been Black Panther and I think they were positioning the character to be that.
 
Agreed.

The ONLY kind of legacy hero I can dig is if Bruce passes the cowl to Dick,
Umm. Wally West (the best Flash, by far.) says hi.

I like Dick as Batman simply because Dick doesn’t want to be Batman. He sees it as a hinderance to his Nightwing career. He has to be someone different under the cowl. That’s kind of cool.

Heck, I find Donna Troy and Artemis more interesting than Diana and Connor Hawke is better than Oliver Queen (except when Oliver is written in full left wing glory.)
 
Umm. Wally West (the best Flash, by far.) says hi.

I like Dick as Batman simply because Dick doesn’t want to be Batman. He sees it as a hinderance to his Nightwing career. He has to be someone different under the cowl. That’s kind of cool.

Heck, I find Donna Troy and Artemis more interesting than Diana and Connor Hawke is better than Oliver Queen (except when Oliver is written in full left wing glory.)

Don't hate me because I know how much you love Wally Flash, but you're talking all of this DC stuff and outside of Gotham and Metropolis I'm lost!

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