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The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

Vincent D’Onofrio's Kingpin really is one of the best superhero villains we've ever had. I remembered that being the case, but rewatching season 1 a decade later feels like a revelation. D’Onofrio's performance is impeccable, but the show also nailed the paced introduction for the character. Before we meet him, he's talked about like he's the devil. Then we finally meet him, and we're first introduced to a softer, contrasting side to him through his storyline with Vanessa. It all crescendos early with the crazy, brutal way he uses the car door to kill the Russian henchman who ruined his date. It's all just incredibly good writing, acting, and directing.
 
'97 definitely proved that having a diverse team has numerous advantages for writing and directing X-Men. I'd like a similar approach for the live-action film, sans the horrible man.

Considering they had a lot of work done for them already, and some might argue they were bad adaptations in some cases, I'm not sure it is quite the example you want it to be.

Thank god we aren't getting DeMayos Rogue/Magneto AoA fanfic season.
 
Considering they had a lot of work done for them already, and some might argue they were bad adaptations in some cases, I'm not sure it is quite the example you want it to be.

Thank god we aren't getting DeMayos Rogue/Magneto AoA fanfic season.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, '97 is stellar. Probably the happiest I've been with a superhero adaptation in the last 20 years, beyond Reevesverse. It was bold, moving, and rooted in the source material but not confined to it. It felt personal. Those are all aspects I'd love to see in future adaptations as well.
 
Well, as far as I'm concerned, '97 is stellar. Probably the happiest I've been with a superhero adaptation in the last 20 years, beyond Reevesverse. It was bold, moving, and rooted in the source material but not confined to it. It felt personal. Those are all aspects I'd love to see in future adaptations as well.

I second this.

It is to date, the best X-Men adaptation that is actually about the X-Men. I know social media is not the barometer of success, but it had many of us watching and talking and wanting more.

But that’s just my two cents.
 
X-Men 97 was fun. I am less impressed with the new head writer's resume of What If work, but I am hoping for the best. Not sure I would agree it is the best comic book adaptation in recent times, but it was certainly a show that didn't feel like a chore or obligation to watch. Which says something considering the quality of a lot of D+ content
 
X-Men 97 was fun. I am less impressed with the new head writer's resume of What If work, but I am hoping for the best. Not sure I would agree it is the best comic book adaptation in recent times, but it was certainly a show that didn't feel like a chore or obligation to watch. Which says something considering the quality of a lot of D+ content

I really don't understand how you could give one of your hottest shows to the same person who wrote the bummer that is What If and think that it's a good idea.

It breaks my heart.
 
It's blatantly obvious it was chopped to pieces, tbh. Studio meddling has never been more transparent in an MCU product than in that film. The actual directing of what we got is fantastic, both with the dynamics of the actors AND the action. Just like DaCosta's previous work. Ergo, DaCosta being capable of delivering a better project than we got is an extremely easy conclusion to draw.

Why do you think it was chopped to pieces because there was this hidden gem of a movie that Marvel didn't want us to see?

Its just as ( if not more) likely it was the same movie we got, just longer.
 
I think the rumored plan is for her to be an Obi-Wan like mentor, so the long gap makes sense.
 
Why do you think it was chopped to pieces because there was this hidden gem of a movie that Marvel didn't want us to see?

Its just as ( if not more) likely it was the same movie we got, just longer.
Come on, man. This was right in the middle of Marvel's "everything must be under two hours" mandate. That pretty much guarantees the stuff that was cut was "expendable" stuff like, ya know, character moments/development and connective tissue. Do I think the original cut was a masterpiece? Of course not. The original script was a throwaway story because Feige obviously gave zero s***'s about Carol and her corner of the MCU from the start. But do I believe the original was a much more cohesive, and substantial exploration of the 3 main characters and their arcs? Absolutely. That should be basic common sense.
 
Come on, man. This was right in the middle of Marvel's "everything must be under two hours" mandate. That pretty much guarantees the stuff that was cut was "expendable" stuff like, ya know, character moments/development and connective tissue. Do I think the original cut was a masterpiece? Of course not. The original script was a throwaway story because Feige obviously gave zero s***'s about Carol and her corner of the MCU from the start. But do I believe the original was a much more cohesive, and substantial exploration of the 3 main characters and their arcs? Absolutely. That should be basic common sense.
FC, come on now. Marvel Studios making questionable decisions would never happen.
 
I like The Marvels. I'd put it in the half of Marvel movies I like more, because there's enough material there that shines through, the three leads are really good together, and Fury's never better to me than when he's paired with Carol. But it's clearly been hacked to pieces, the story burned down to the barebones, the villain's really solid setup is horribly neutered and ruins the potential in that setup, and the bizarrely abrupt multiverse ending is hilarious. But I still like it more than at least half of the Marvel movies. Says a lot about what I think of those, I guess.
 
Come on, man. This was right in the middle of Marvel's "everything must be under two hours" mandate. That pretty much guarantees the stuff that was cut was "expendable" stuff like, ya know, character moments/development and connective tissue. Do I think the original cut was a masterpiece? Of course not. The original script was a throwaway story because Feige obviously gave zero s***'s about Carol and her corner of the MCU from the start. But do I believe the original was a much more cohesive, and substantial exploration of the 3 main characters and their arcs? Absolutely. That should be basic common sense.

I mean, I went looking for some deleted scenes from the movie and neither of them have what you describe there.

I mean, there is this weird and awkward joke about Valkrie getting confused and thinking Ms Marvel was married to Carol that I think we can safely say doesn't add anything to the movie. Is that what we missed out on?
 
I mean, I went looking for some deleted scenes from the movie and neither of them have what you describe there.

I mean, there is this weird and awkward joke about Valkrie getting confused and thinking Ms Marvel was married to Carol that I think we can safely say doesn't add anything to the movie. Is that what we missed out on?
You realize we're talking about the meddling happening way before production was finished, right? What we're talking about wouldn't have been filmed (and if it was it wouldn't be released b/c Kevin's got his narrative to push), which is why DaCosta checked out so early.

Regardless, it's clear we're viewing the whole situation completely differently, and nothing's going to change that, so there's no point in continuing on this topic.
 
Marvel also doesn't include everything they shoot in the deleted scenes. They haven't for a long while
 

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