The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

[flickchick85]

Dumbed down... or just different?

Dumbed down.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Dumbed down.

And then if they just gave us the Netflix Daredevil show you'd complain that they didn't give us anything new and it was just the old show regurgitated.

So it seems the showrunner and Marvel are in a no win situation.

 

[flickchick85]

And then if they just gave us the Netflix Daredevil show you'd complain that they didn't give us anything new and it was just the old show regurgitated.

So it seems the showrunner and Marvel are in a no win situation.

They could’ve won if they’d hired the Netflix creative team, instead of trying to cut them out of even getting credit/residuals. Pretty easy win scenario to me.

 

[Sithborg]

Dumbed down... or just different?

Very dumbed down. The interview makes him look like an utter moron with no sense of media literacy.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah the quotes don't give me a lot of confidence and then that's on top of how the show looks from that trailer.

 

[Venom 1988]

The long dialogue scenes in Daredevil were some of the best moments of the show, especially between Matt and the priest. Those are the kind of dialogue scenes where you hang on every word.

I totally agree but my understanding from the reports and THR article is that it before the whole show got reworked was that it swang too much into that direction.

 

[kguillou]

Here's the thing also, I think I speak for a lot of Netflix Daredevil fans when I say with the way season 3 ended, the notion of having a "New beginning" for Matt Murdock and Co. made sense. A new series that served as a LIGHT reboot but still maintained the continuity and characters but put DD in a new direction is an appealing one. Maybe Matt is happy to be Daredevil now and is a little more light hearted and less brooding. Maybe Murdock, Nelson & Page is thriving and we see an evolution of how their firm grows and the growing pains of how those three manage the firm and the effect it has on their relationships. Maybe the Daredevil action is a little more super heroic and less down and dirty than the netflix seasons. We want something that feels like a natural evolution.

But Marvel right from the jump was playng games, "Hey Cox and D'Onofrio are back but it has nothing to do with that Netflix series! And we're making is a CBS legal procedural where he barely suits up." Huh?

And now they're over course correcting and trying to ape the tone that Steven D Knight created and its concerning.

 

[Lily Adler]

No wonder I didn't like Sonic 3.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

They could’ve won if they’d hired the creative team, instead of trying to cut them out of even getting residuals. Pretty easy win scenario to me.

Which would've given us the Netflix show regurgitated... which wouldn't give us anything new or fresh.

And then people would still complain that it wasn't as good as what we got before.

 

[flickchick85]

Which would've given us the Netflix show regurgitated... which wouldn't give us anything new or fresh.

And then people would still complain that it wasn't as good as what we got before.

The Netflix show CONTINUED actually, which is what I wanted, since it was canceled so abruptly and they were well into writing S4. Their S4 is what I was interested in.

Hiring an all new creative team to “retool” what was already the best superhero show in town is an absolutely terrible idea imo, and this interview has just reaffirmed that opinion for me.

 

[Drizzle]

So let me get this straight, he can breathe in space but he can't hold his breath underwater?

 

[flickchick85]

So let me get this straight, he can breathe in space but he can't hold his breath underwater?

Oh god that gif is giving me PTSD. I died that way so many times in that game.

 

[Lily Adler]

So let me get this straight, he can breathe in space but he can't hold his breath underwater?

SEGA was just too lazy to animate him swimming.

 

[Drizzle]

Oh god that gif is giving me PTSD. I died that way so many times in that game.

A soundtrack for anxiety.

 

[Lily Adler]

A soundtrack for anxiety.

Archie Comics explained he simply can't swim, and it's a running joke.

 

[Kane52630]

only the real ones know

 

[Lily Adler]

The Netflix show CONTINUED actually, which is what I wanted, since it was canceled so abruptly and they were well into writing S4. Their S4 is what I was interested in.

Hiring an all new creative team to “retool” what was already the best superhero show in town is an absolutely terrible idea imo, and this interview has just reaffirmed that opinion for me.

Capitalism!

 

[Spider-Fan]

When this was being made, wasn't the season 3 team working on Carnival Row? I didn't need their exact season 4 they had planned. Just continue telling exciting stories in the universe the first 3 season laid the groundwork for. We had different show runners each Daredevil season, so having a new voice in charge isn't exactly the problem. Now, Marvel Studios starting the show with no show runner at all was stupid. But I am not getting bent up on interviews and such. In the end, the show will speak for itself. I will have more to say once I have some content to judge.

 

[Sithborg]

The Netflix show CONTINUED actually, which is what I wanted, since it was canceled so abruptly and they were well into writing S4. Their S4 is what I was interested in.

Hiring an all new creative team to “retool” what was already the best superhero show in town is an absolutely terrible idea imo, and this interview has just reaffirmed that opinion for me.

Retool twice. Remember, Nelson and Page wasn't part of the equation in the first go around. Before Secret Invasion bombed. So yeah, the rush to bring them back doesn't win back lost trust.

Also, I just want to highlight his comments on episode length. Have fun with a lot of half hour episodes.

 

[flickchick85]

When this was being made, wasn't the season 3 team working on Carnival Row? I didn't need their exact season 4 they had planned. Just continue telling exciting stories in the universe the first 3 season laid the groundwork for. We had different show runners each Daredevil season, so having a new voice in charge isn't exactly the problem. Now, Marvel Studios starting the show with no show runner at all was stupid. But I am not getting bent up on interviews and such. In the end, the show will speak for itself. I will have more to say once I have some content to judge.

Steven DeKnight made it pretty clear Marvel was never interested in reaching out to anyone who worked on the original for pay/credit reasons.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Steven DeKnight made it pretty clear Marvel was never interested in reaching out to anyone who worked on the original for pay/credit reasons.

I get that, but like I said I don't think that's necessarily a deal breaker as each season of the OG show had different show runners (DeKnight S1, Petrie & Ramirez S2, and Oleson S3), so you could have got another solid show runner on this as well. Didn't have to be the exact season 3 team.

 

[Sithborg]

Didn't have to have the exact team, no. But the initial decision to not bring back Woll and Henson over practically everyone else was a death blow to my interest in the show.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Didn't have to have the exact team, no. But the initial decision to not bring back Woll and Henson over practically everyone else was a death blow to my interest in the show.

And I aint defending their original vision for the show not being connected at all and with no showrunner. Those were idiotic choices.

 

[flickchick85]

I get that, but like I said I don't think that's necessarily a deal breaker as each season of the OG show had different show runners (DeKnight S1, Petrie & Ramirez S2, and Oleson S3), so you could have got another solid show runner on this as well. Didn't have to be the exact season 3 team.

I didn’t need the exact team but at least a few people for consistency’s sake. All 3 seasons shared writers, even with different showrunners. If Marvel had showed ANY interest in that consistency it would have generated some goodwill with me, but they so obviously weren’t, hence my skepticism. Everything about this project and their approach feels cynical as hell.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I didn’t need the exact team but at least a few people for consistency’s sake. All 3 seasons shared writers, even with different showrunners. If Marvel had showed ANY interest in that consistency it would have generated some goodwill with me, but they so obviously weren’t, hence my skepticism. Everything about this project and their approach feels cynical as hell.

Marvel's choices at the beginning and how they were bringing Cox and D'Onofrio I aint defending. The decision may be cynical on the course correct, but if we get a better show as a result, I am okay with it. This season likely will have some Frankenstein elements to it. But moving forward I am hopeful future seasons will get the proper lead time like a show should have. Maybe that doesn't give us a great S1 of Born Again, but maybe that will help Born Again S2 and beyond be better shows. That's at least my hope. I get the skepticism and don't blame yall. But, I am a creature of hope most of the time.