The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

[squeekness]

Just finished Cap 4. Awful, man. What are we doing

You guys are making me glad I don't go to the movies anymore. I'll catch this on Disney+ later.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The thing about the first three Captain America movies is that we cared about Steve Rogers. His character. His struggles. His beliefs. The "man out of time" theme that flows through his entire run.

Does Sam have any character arc? Falcon & Winter Soldier gave him a sister who was going to lose the family boat and he is from New Orleans. Anything else?

 

[Spider-Fan]

The thing about the first three Captain America movies is that we cared about Steve Rogers. His character. His struggles. His beliefs. The "man out of time" theme that flows through his entire run.

Does Sam have any character arc? Falcon & Winter Soldier gave him a sister who was going to lose the family boat and he is from New Orleans. Anything else?

They briefly touch on the pressures of Sam being Captain America in a racist America, but boy do they not take it nearly far enough. It amounts mostly to lip service, but it is something that makes him standout and we can get behind. But they have opted to make these Captain America films too apolitical. I understand that as a business, the red side spends money as well, but it's proven that they will see well made movies with themes they don't agree with. My dad loves Avatar, and if this were real he would be the first guy saying "We should just shoot the frigging tree down! There are a million trees, they can live in another one!" So the choice to not engage with the thing that makes Sam unique nearly enough is badly hurting his development

 

[kguillou]

The Dark Knight Returns

Get a first look at Armie Hammer dealing out vigilante justice in the Uwe Boll movie The Dark Knight

Armie Hammer puts fear into criminals while being hunted by law enforcement in Uwe Boll's upcoming crime thriller.

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[Lily Adler]

The Dark Knight Returns

Get a first look at Armie Hammer dealing out vigilante justice in the Uwe Boll movie The Dark Knight

Armie Hammer puts fear into criminals while being hunted by law enforcement in Uwe Boll's upcoming crime thriller.

www.joblo.com

 

[Sithborg]

God, when even IGN has an article critical of Brave New World's politics....

X-men is sooo cooked.

 

[Lily Adler]

God, when even IGN has an article critical of Brave New World's politics....

X-men is sooo cooked.

Bush era politics is a compliment.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Finally got around to watching Joker Folie à Deux. Hoo Boy, where to begin...

I've read theories online that Todd Phillips was contractually obligated by WBD to make a sequel to Joker, and having actually watched the result, I'm inclined to believe it. Folie à Deux is a classic example of an artist giving the middle finger to his corporate overlords. So you're gonna force me to make a sequel I'm not interested in making?? Here's your damn sequel, enjoy. And to add insult to injury, WBD not only allowed Phillips to make exactly the movie he wanted to make, but also gave him $200 million of their money to basically flush down the box office toilet. It reminds me of Sony being gaslit by a few social media pranksters into re-releasing Morbius into empty theatres. Seriously, you can't make this **** up. I seriously wonder sometimes who the decision-makers are at these Hollywood studios...

I almost felt like I could hear Phillips' thought processes while watching Folie à Deux. It's as if he analyzed what he thought made fans connect with the first film and deliberated went out of his way to shed that audience as decisively as he could. Audiences enjoy being titillated so instead he choses to bore. Fans like to be engaged so instead Phillips choses to alienate. And the worst part is, Folie à Deux was so dark, dank, and depressing that I couldn't even muster enough energy to hate it. Lacking any kind of shock, offense, narrative drive, or storytelling momentum, all it did was lull me into a state of apathy and pity. Sad...

Joker, indeed. Only in this case the 'Joker' was Phillips and the 'joke' was on WBD for allowing him to sabotage their budding franchise, and on the audience who went into this turd expecting more of whatever made the first film a 'lightning in a bottle' grassroots phenomenon.

The more I think about this movie, the more I dislike it...

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Deck Rickard]

Finally got around to watching Joker Folie à Deux. Hoo Boy, where to begin...

I've read theories online that Todd Phillips was contractually obligated by WBD to make a sequel to Joker, and having actually watched the result, I'm inclined to believe it. Folie à Deux is a classic example of an artist giving the middle finger to his corporate overlords. So you're gonna force me to make a sequel I'm not interested in making?? Here's your damn sequel, enjoy. And to add insult to injury, WBD not only allowed Phillips to make exactly the movie he wanted to make, but also gave him $200 million of their money to basically flush down the box office toilet. It reminds me of Sony being gaslit by a few social media pranksters into re-releasing Morbius into empty theatres. Seriously, you can't make this **** up. I seriously wonder sometimes who the decision-makers are at these Hollywood studios...

I almost felt like I could hear Phillips' thought processes while watching Folie à Deux. It's as if he analyzed what he thought made fans connect with the first film and deliberated went out of his way to shed that audience as decisively as he could. Audiences enjoy being titillated so instead he choses to bore. Fans like to be engaged so instead Phillips choses to alienate. And the worst part is, Folie à Deux was so dark, dank, and depressing that I couldn't even muster enough energy to hate it. Lacking any kind of shock, offense, narrative drive, or storytelling momentum, all it did was lull me into a state of apathy and pity. Sad...

Joker, indeed. Only in this case the 'Joker' was Phillips and the 'joke' was on WBD for allowing him to sabotage their budding franchise, and on the audience who went into this turd expecting more of whatever made the first film a 'lightning in a bottle' grassroots phenomenon.

The more I think about this movie, the more I dislike it...


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Agree with all of this. The movie was just a slog. It took me three sittings to get all the way through it because I was so bored. I feel really bad for Gaga, who probably thought it would result in an Oscar nom but instead I think they told her to purposely sing kinda badly (something I didn’t previously think was possible because she’s amazing) just so Phoenix doesn’t sound TOO bad by comparison. And Phoenix almost feels like a different character in it. Whatever made him engaging and sympathetic in the first one was gone. And I guess all the money went into Phoenix’s and Phillips’s pockets because the movie sure didn’t look like expensive. I feel like 90% of it took place in a courtroom or a hallway.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The more I see people's reactions and thoughts on Brave New World, the more I get mad at Kevin Feige the various writers and director for allowing this mess.

Like Harrison Ford's character talked SOOOOO reckless to Sam and he just ate the microaggressions.



Again, Ryan Coogler would never.

God, when even IGN has an article critical of Brave New World's politics....

X-men is sooo cooked.

At this rate, MCU X-Men will be about a bunch of good looking, white actors with various superpowers living in a stately mansion in wealthy Westchester, crying about being discriminated against.

It'll be tone deaf as hell but we'll finally have comic accurate costumes.

 

[KBX]

X-men will be majority white actors there’s no doubt. I do think there should be two X-men franchises at the same time. Too many characters, spread them out

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Sithborg]

3rd out of 4. Lets go.

 

[Lily Adler]

3rd out of 4. Lets go.

I'm guessing The First Avenger was last place?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

At this rate, MCU X-Men will be about a bunch of good looking, white actors with various superpowers living in a stately mansion in wealthy Westchester, crying about being discriminated against.

It'll be tone deaf as hell but we'll finally have comic accurate costumes.

I mean, you described X-Men 97, and everyone loved the **** out of that show.

 

[flickchick85]

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So…2nd lowest, then. After TFA.

 

[Lily Adler]

So…2nd lowest, then. After TFA.

No one predicted the Human Torch would soon become America's Ass back then.

 

[Moncton]

Finally got around to watching Joker Folie à Deux. Hoo Boy, where to begin...

I've read theories online that Todd Phillips was contractually obligated by WBD to make a sequel to Joker, and having actually watched the result, I'm inclined to believe it. Folie à Deux is a classic example of an artist giving the middle finger to his corporate overlords. So you're gonna force me to make a sequel I'm not interested in making?? Here's your damn sequel, enjoy. And to add insult to injury, WBD not only allowed Phillips to make exactly the movie he wanted to make, but also gave him $200 million of their money to basically flush down the box office toilet. It reminds me of Sony being gaslit by a few social media pranksters into re-releasing Morbius into empty theatres. Seriously, you can't make this **** up. I seriously wonder sometimes who the decision-makers are at these Hollywood studios...

I almost felt like I could hear Phillips' thought processes while watching Folie à Deux. It's as if he analyzed what he thought made fans connect with the first film and deliberated went out of his way to shed that audience as decisively as he could. Audiences enjoy being titillated so instead he choses to bore. Fans like to be engaged so instead Phillips choses to alienate. And the worst part is, Folie à Deux was so dark, dank, and depressing that I couldn't even muster enough energy to hate it. Lacking any kind of shock, offense, narrative drive, or storytelling momentum, all it did was lull me into a state of apathy and pity. Sad...

Joker, indeed. Only in this case the 'Joker' was Phillips and the 'joke' was on WBD for allowing him to sabotage their budding franchise, and on the audience who went into this turd expecting more of whatever made the first film a 'lightning in a bottle' grassroots phenomenon.

The more I think about this movie, the more I dislike it...


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I'm inclined to believe he didn't purposely try to make something that WB/fans would dislike, I believe it's more of what we've seen with other directors who get some power within n WB such as Snyder with B v S and Jenkins with WW84 in that they just want to make a film that caters to them and their sensibilities and forget the audience.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm guessing The First Avenger was last place?

Yeah. Apart from Cap not being a popular character back then (especially internationally), The First Avenger released just one week after Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah. Apart from Cap not being a popular character back then (especially internationally), The First Avenger released just one week after Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.

I can't believe it's been that long. Anytime I hear 'Deathly Hallows Part 2', I automatically see:

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we stah'ted! Togetha!!"

 

[Drizzle]

I can't believe it's been that long. Anytime I hear 'Deathly Hallows Part 2', I automatically see:

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we stah'ted! Togetha!!"
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I've seen Ralph Fiennes in a number of movies since then. He's a fantastic actor, but every time I see him the first thing that pops into my head is:

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Finally got around to watching Joker Folie à Deux. Hoo Boy, where to begin...

I've read theories online that Todd Phillips was contractually obligated by WBD to make a sequel to Joker, and having actually watched the result, I'm inclined to believe it. Folie à Deux is a classic example of an artist giving the middle finger to his corporate overlords. So you're gonna force me to make a sequel I'm not interested in making?? Here's your damn sequel, enjoy. And to add insult to injury, WBD not only allowed Phillips to make exactly the movie he wanted to make, but also gave him $200 million of their money to basically flush down the box office toilet. It reminds me of Sony being gaslit by a few social media pranksters into re-releasing Morbius into empty theatres. Seriously, you can't make this **** up. I seriously wonder sometimes who the decision-makers are at these Hollywood studios...

I almost felt like I could hear Phillips' thought processes while watching Folie à Deux. It's as if he analyzed what he thought made fans connect with the first film and deliberated went out of his way to shed that audience as decisively as he could. Audiences enjoy being titillated so instead he choses to bore. Fans like to be engaged so instead Phillips choses to alienate. And the worst part is, Folie à Deux was so dark, dank, and depressing that I couldn't even muster enough energy to hate it. Lacking any kind of shock, offense, narrative drive, or storytelling momentum, all it did was lull me into a state of apathy and pity. Sad...

Joker, indeed. Only in this case the 'Joker' was Phillips and the 'joke' was on WBD for allowing him to sabotage their budding franchise, and on the audience who went into this turd expecting more of whatever made the first film a 'lightning in a bottle' grassroots phenomenon.

The more I think about this movie, the more I dislike it...


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The first movie was so successful because it came out during the height of the comic book movie boom and was "anti-superhero movie". It starred a villain. It had a low budget. It was basically Taxi Driver with DC Comics branding. It was a middle finger to the Marvel/DC shared universe formula. And its existence triggered a bunch of people and got them to elevate its hype to ridiculous levels by clutching their pearls over it even being a thing.

Trying to make a "franchise" out of it was antithetical to what made Joker successful in the first place. Stunt casting Lady Gaga as Harley Quin, and hell, bringing Harley Quinn into a Joker sequel at all just made it into another comic book movie franchise sequel. If you loved Joker because it was different from that formula, why would the sequel appeal to you? Its basically a betrayal of what made the first one so successful (that it wasn't a formulaic comic book movie).

This is why a sequel was never going to work or be successful. Joker was the literal definition of "right place, right time".

 

[Lily Adler]

I can't believe it's been that long. Anytime I hear 'Deathly Hallows Part 2', I automatically see:

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we stah'ted! Togetha!!"
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I've seen Ralph Fiennes in a number of movies since then. He's a fantastic actor, but every time I see him the first thing that pops into my head is:

I heard people who didn't read the book were confused on how Harry won in the end. The Elder Wand Voldemort uses unknowingly rightfully belonged to Harry and thus he couldn't kill him or use its power. When Nagini is killed Voldemort becomes vulnerable enough that the wand backfires and kills him.

 

[flickchick85]

I heard people who didn't read the book were confused on how Harry won in the end. The Elder Wand Voldemort uses unknowingly rightfully belonged to Harry and thus he couldn't kill him or use its power. When Nagini is killed Voldemort becomes vulnerable enough that the wand backfires and kills him.

They literally explained that in the movie in a very spoonfed manner.