The Superman Look: Shaping Superman

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah, I just didn't know what you were talking about. Yes. Steroids are lame. I'm not gonna say that guy uses them as I don't really know, but it's pretty sad people turn to them just to get a little bigger, instead of putting out the work, or accepting their genetics.

I'm sure O'Hearn did take steroids. He is a former bodybuilder & they all take it. Seeing as it's very, very difficult (not to mention quite impossible) to get big as you see in bodybuilders, steroids does the trick for them. It just bodybuilders look so huge & unnatural for a human body nowdays that there is no doubt they take 'em.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Well, I don't agree completely on that, but the same thing was brought up about Hugh Jackman whatever on the Wolverine board and I don't feel like having 3 or 4 pages of people bickering about steroids so I'll just step aside this one.

So, seeing as I never really commented on the main issue in any sort of depth, I'll say that I like the build Routh had in SR. I would have preferred if he had worked a little more on his chest and biceps, but a big reason he looked smaller than he actually is was the small S on the chest and the low cut on the trunks. Had an elongating/slimming effect that was negative.

The hair? I definitely hate the perfect, never moving, S-shaped curl. It should also be shorter. Changing the 'do alone would do wonders.

I really do hope they get Routh again, even if it's a total reboot I thought he was great. There's no one else I can think of that I would rather have playing Superman. Cept maybe Christopher Reeve ()or that Routh/Welling mutant depicted in a manip that's been floating around here as of late. Too bad neither of those will ever happen.

 

[Angeloz]

You were watching the wrong film if you think his hair didn't move. Now it did seemingly magically dry back in style. But Krypton was an advanced civilisation. Sorry I get tempted by hair discusions.

Angeloz

 

[Daredevil_2003]

you're a trip. I was more referring to the magic dry/restyled phenomenon. That's one hell of an advanced race if they can achieve that.

 

[Angeloz]

Krypton Hair Gel For Men. When you need the hair to change for disguise purposes and reset magically in place after wet weather or high winds.

Angeloz

 

[SuperAl]

I always wanted them to ditch the gelled curl look and just have his hair fall down normally on his face, kinda like what they did in Batman Begins. It looks much better in my opinion.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Do you even really need the curl? I mean Cain did fine with out it; So did Welling and in the comics he sometimes doesn't have it.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Do you even really need the curl? I mean Cain did fine with out it; So did Welling and in the comics he sometimes doesn't have it.

Actually the curl is what pissed me off the most about Cain's portayal. It didn't work for him, however it did work for George Reeves because his classy performace as Superman made most look past it. Welling never has a curl because he ain't Superman yet, so not sure where your going with that. IMO though if you take away the curl then you might aswell not call him Superman. Every ingrediant is essential for me to fully see Superman formed.




Steve

 

[stargazer]

Do you even really need the curl? I mean Cain did fine with out it; So did Welling and in the comics he sometimes doesn't have it.

YES!!!

The curl is iconic.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

No, the curl is a little sliver of hair that hangs down over his forehead. It's completely and totally pointless and all this talk of such an inane thing being 'iconic' and how it's not Superman without it is laughable.

 

[Majik1387]

Oh, and as for this? What are you on about? If that guy's ugly and has bad skin, I'm a leperous gremlin...you be crazy.

Nice to meet you, never met a leperous gremlin before

So, seeing as I never really commented on the main issue in any sort of depth, I'll say that I like the build Routh had in SR.
a big reason he looked smaller than he actually is was the small S on the chest and the low cut on the trunks. Had an elongating/slimming effect that was negative.

I really do hope they get Routh again, even if it's a total reboot I thought he was great. There's no one else I can think of that I would rather have playing Superman.

I can agree with that

YES!!!

The curl is iconic.

Agreed.

 

[SuperAl]

i dont wanna get rid of it, but i just think it looks kinda dumb having a superhero with insanely gelled hair like they had in SR. Id prefer something like in that bale photo. His hair should move in the wind when hes sittin on top of a tall building, not stuck in one spot like it was when he was on top of the daily planet in SR. Its just another element that makes superman a bit more realistic. and Superman is NOT defined by his freaking hair, this is not dragonball

 

[Angeloz]

YES!!!

The curl is iconic.

And the spare was called Kenny I believe (unless my memory has played tricks).

i dont wanna get rid of it, but i just think it looks kinda dumb having a superhero with insanely gelled hair like they had in SR. Id prefer something like in that bale photo. His hair should move in the wind when hes sittin on top of a tall building, not stuck in one spot like it was when he was on top of the daily planet in SR. Its just another element that makes superman a bit more realistic. and Superman is NOT defined by his freaking hair, this is not dragonball

Christopher Reeve never had this silliness as far as I'm aware. And his hair was even more magical than Brandon's. Oh well.

Angeloz

 

[Daybreak_st]

This is what a realistic s-curl should look like onscreen

 

[Daybreak_st]

It doesn't look fake/forced or rediculous. Just natural.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be nice if there is going to be the S curl to make it look natural and not fake.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Now if they go for a reboot i'd go with something similar to the FF4 films. Notice the pic of chris evans, he's obviously in good shape. Then in costume it seems to preserve his mass but you just cant see the definition, which would work well for superman imho:

In Costume:

 

[Vaibow]

Now if they go for a reboot i'd go with something similar to the FF4 films. Notice the pic of chris evans, he's obviously in good shape. Then in costume it seems to preserve his mass but you just cant see the definition, which would work well for superman imho:

In Costume:

It's padding... but the collar of the suit shapes his body well.. i don't mind padding, but what ruined it in returns was the neck line and restricting, thick cape.... i would love to see a superman suit in that line, with a cape...a cotton, free flowing red cape... hmmmm baby

 

[Webhead2006]

yea its all about the type of body the actor has and the material of the costume i would want soemthing that doesnt flatten or hide the actor's body. So then we can still have good looking shape on the actor and suit.

 

[Lone]

For starters, the haircut needs sorting.

But most important of all is the flying take offs and landing scenes.

Superman Returns with all its cgi and technology advancements was a disgrace in terms of the flying take offs and landing scenes of Superman.

Compare any of the landings and take offs to Superman 3, and the entire crew of Superman Returns should have been embarrased.

I rewatched Superman 3, and was simply astounded at the quality of the way Superman takes off and flys into the air, all done in real time, and using Chris Reeve himself in all the scenes.

I would particularly point you to the landing scenes in the Chemical fire scenes,
the amazing take off when Superman goes out of the bar drunk.

Without a doubt, that flying take off when superman comes out of the bar and is totally drunk, is simply a work of art, and whoever arranged that needs an award!

The new Superman movie has to have similar or better landings and take offs.
We will not accept cheap cgi attempts that are so crap and boring.

The take offs in superman 3 are nothing short of incredible and look amazingly realistic.
Not only are they so gracefully done, they are mind boggling how they achieved them using no cgi. quite remarkable.

I just wish whoever takes charge of the flying scenes sits down and watches Superman 3 and Superman The movie before even attempting any of them.

There wasn't even one iconic flying or landing scene in Superman Returns, which is unforgivable to be honest.

Especially after the hard work of Chris Reeve into making the flying look so perfect.
shame on those people who call themselves film makers and cannot even give us acceptable flying scenes.

**** yeah.

 

[12 Bladez]

I do like the F4's suit, especially the seamlines to breakup all that blue. Posted these awhile back, this' how I think the movie suit should look (just add an \S/):

 

[TruerToTheCore]

That Evans guy is way too narrow-chested/shouldered to be the mighty Superman. (haha, finally I am part of one of these male actor's body discussions)

 

[SuperMike335!!]

Stallone might be a tad smaller than that guy or close enough to his shape. He got in trouble for steroids or something in Australia recently. No way is that shape anywhere near natural. So I'd say exercise and something else. Not that I know bodybuilding. But if not steroids then something else like hormones.

Angeloz

Well, I know know something about bodybuilding, and steroids in particular, so here is the low down.

They are hormones for one. They are derivatives of the male sex hormone, testosterone.

Often the are altered from the normal state of testosterone, by changing the number of carbons on the chemical to make is more anabolic compared to its androgenic ratio.

People here want to accuse Mike O’hearn of steroid use, due to the appearance of his physique.

They will try to bring up arguments like the 50 year old Stallone and say since he is not as big as O’hearn, and that Stallone was caught with growth hormone (which is not an androgenic steroid) that therefor anyone bigger in build than Stallone must be using steroids.

That is a gross oversimplification, and technically until Mike O’hearn fails a drug test, accusing him of such is libel.

First of all, testosterone varies a great deal between men. It also varies with age as well.

Someone may not gain much muscle in the gym, and try their butt off for years and not gain squat.

They then point the finger at anyone with big muscles, and accuse them of using an illegal schedule 3 controlled substance.

What the accuser does not yet know is that the guy who has big muscles may just have a higher level of testosterone. The NORMAL range for testosterone in men on most labs is about 300-1200 ng/dl. It varies a bit lab to lab, but in general that is what it looks like.

So you could be a healthy normal male at 301, a bit thin and not the beefiest guy out there, but healthy with good lipid values and no medical problems like a hypogonadal man may have. Then there are men who are 1199 ng/dl. Still in the normal range. This guy will gain muscle very easily, and can get very large with years of consistent training.

In men who are using AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids) depending on dose, can be very high, with levels over 2000 ng/dl, much higher even. These guys who often tip the scales at over 270 pounds with moderate bodyfat, and diet down to 250+ for a contest.

Mike O’hearn was never that huge in contest shape compared to most modern pros, we are talking 235 at 6’1" for mike, while in the IFBB there are guys who are 5'8" competeing at 250+. In the WF video Mike looked about 260ish with about 10-12% bodyfat in offseason shape. In offseason shape bodybuilders always look bigger, as the added bodyfat is not enough to make them look fat, just bigger all around an fuller, they will not look as ripped however.

Now Mike's physique is still in line with I would expect for a steroid user using lower doses, OR even a guy who does naturally have very high testosterone. So I am not certain enough to say he indeed is using AAS.

Comparing him with a man over 50 actor who is not a bodybuilder is absurd however, as;

1. we do not know what Stallone’s testosterone level was in his youth, it may have been middle of the road normal.
2. Testosterone levels often decline with age. Not always, but over 45% of men over 40 years old have clinically low testosterone compared to their younger selves.

So people want to trash on O’hearn, even though he only competes in drug tested contest, has never been arrested for possession or dealing.

The guy also does a ton over lower body work, and heavy squats. His legs tend to overpower his upper body, and this has hurt him in competition, but it is also a fact that heavy compound lower body exercises like squats stimulates natural production of testosterone, which if he already produces a lot would drive it up even higher.

So it is in the real of physical possibility for some men to get that muscular, without the use of steroids. It is not common, and that does not mean you or I can expect to get so big natural.

In contest shape, around 4% bodyfat, O’hearn does not look any bigger for his height than Steve Reeves looked long before steroids were used by bodybuilders.

http://www.americangladiatorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/michael_ohearn1.jpg
　

　
We do not need someone quite so muscular to play superman in a movie, I would like an inbetween of the build that O’hearn has and what Christopher Reeve had. Not sure if they will find a guy who is 6’4" 225-235 who is in that kind of shape who can also act, but its not a bad goal to aim for the actor to get into the shape of before filming.

Offhand, while I am not pushing for Ohearn to play superman in a big movie, What is with all the O'hearn hate on the board? The guy has big muscles but its not like he pushed someone's grandma off a cliff.

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[Daybreak_st]

That Evans guy is way too narrow-chested/shouldered to be the mighty Superman. (haha, finally I am part of one of these male actor's body discussions)

Yeah i wasn't suggesting Evans to play supes. No he's not right at all. I was simply talking about the costumes they used in the movie and how it complemented his physique. The materials and a similar design may work well for superman. SR suit took away from routh's build, but as you can see in the example pics chris evans was fit and the suit just adds to it.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i think daby was just talking more on costume look over body look and all that. I do hope they as i and supermike brought up before has a good looking body that fits with the costume and the costume shows off the body.