The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VIII

[Godzilla2014]

It's amazing what we will ignore in order make our points.

You can call it a dance, if you wish. But for years, hollywood called those "fight scenes". And even that Joker party crashing scene was a dance, then (if we use your train of thought). A very SLOW dance. Zorro's was faster and a heck of lot more of what Batman has done for 70 years....very exciting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKutj...eature=related

Again...note the 2:10 minute point in the video.

Video doesn't work. Anyway, I don't care to see flip kicks and other such candy-assed kung fu moves in an action movie. I prefer the more brutal fighting style of The Dark Knight to anything in the Mask of Zorro video you posted. I'm not opposed to Batman being able to move that fast in the suit, but I want him to fight with a fast, brutal, and efficient fighting style.

 

[Boom]

The fighting style in TDK didn't feel brutal to me in the least. The blows looked soft as hell, and it was painfully obvious that those fights were choreographed. Bale and the extras were just going through the motions. No thanks. Give me something like the Bourne trilogy.

But that's just me.

 

[Cú Chulainn]

I want him with a fast, brutal, and efficient style.

She mentioned it in passing.

 

[TheBatman072]

The fighting style in TDK didn't feel brutal to me in the least. The blows looked soft as hell, and it was painfully obvious that those fights were choreographed. Bale and the extras were just going through the motions. No thanks. Give me something like the Bourne trilogy.

But that's just me.

Yeah, something that you can't see what's going on.

 

[Boom]

I'd take it over what we had .

 

[Godzilla2014]

The fighting style in TDK didn't feel brutal to me in the least. The blows looked soft as hell, and it was painfully obvious that those fights were choreographed. Bale and the extras were just going through the motions. No thanks. Give me something like the Bourne trilogy.

But that's just me.

It's still better than a bunch of spinning kicks and other such ********.

She mentioned it in passing.

What the hell? I never said that.

 

[Boom]

I should note that in referencing the Bourne films, I am referring more to the raw intensity of those fights, and how the combatants look like they're reacting to each other in the moment, in contrast to Bale going through the motions and the extras pretty much standing around waiting to be hit.

Granted, I'm sure the editing of the fight scenes contributes to their brutality, but I'm sure a nice middle ground could be obtained.

 

[Majik1387]

The Bourne fight scenes are worse than the Nolan fight scenes.

 

[KRIM]

I should note that in referencing the Bourne films, I am referring more to the raw intensity of those fights, and how they combatants look like they're reacting to each other in the moment, in contrast to Bale going through the motions and the extras pretty much standing around waiting to be hit.

Yep. I would care less about the choreography style, if the hits and movements looked and felt natural. It's ironic Ra's brought up dancing in BB, because that's what a lot of the TDK fights resembled.

Bourne is a great example precisely because of how random and messy it all was. That's exactly how most fights feel. The spontaneity prevented the audience from following too closely or predicting where each hit would go. Without effort it automatically felt like genuine combat.

There's a reason why Bourne is constantly referenced in regards to fight choreography. At the moment it's the top dog in American film.

 

[Cú Chulainn]

The Bourne fight scenes are worse than the Nolan fight scenes.

Ah here.

They were brilliant!

 

[Boom]

The Bourne fight scenes are worse than the Nolan fight scenes.

But seriously, I completely disagree - in every sense of the word.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

oH PLEEEEZ!!!!!!!!! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! t: Okay....did you watch the video???

Is this better?? And dont' act like Bruce can't do what Dick can do!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKutjjJiNYE&feature=related

Pleez watch this video...It's Gotham Knight ...the story is "Working Thru Pain". Check out the fight scene with BRUCE WAYNE taking on multiple thugs. Note the huge vertical back flip....

I guess you got my posts wrong. Bruce can do anything Dick does, ten times better. But not only that, Bruce finds the most effective way to get things done. Thats not to say that hes a boring fighter or anything..if someone were to watch him fight, they'd know the difference between the one and only Legendary Batman, and the wannabees.

 

[Boom]

Would something like this tickle anybody else's fancy (Minus the more-ridiculous moves)?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

The Bourne fight scenes are worse than the Nolan fight scenes.

Erm, no.

Totally agree with Boom on this, i want the fight scenes to look fluid, a little mistake here and there, the feeling when i watch them that the characters are doing this for the first time.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

Oh and i absolutely agree. The Bourne fight scene were trash. Silly shaky cam fight scenes do nothing for me.

TDK fight scenes were pretty brutal, especially the one i had posted a couple of pages back. The look on Maroni's face when Bats takes out ten of his henchmen, and aims that pointy Batarang to his face, punkin him out infront of that hot chick = Priceless!

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Would something like this tickle anybody else's fancy (Minus the more-ridiculous moves)?

I like it but for me martial arts look just like that, a beautiful art form, a violent dance. Like i said i like it, i just want it to be a little more brutal. Like a Kick ass street fighter, with elemements of that video.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

Erm, no.

Totally agree with Boom on this, i want the fight scenes to look fluid, a little mistake here and there, the feeling when i watch them that the characters are doing this for the first time.

Lol are we talking about the same Jason Bourne? What mistakes are you talking about? When he took out that huge Mercedes SUV with half a Taxi Cab? Heck, i think Bourne could take on a whole Tank Battalion, using nothing but a Yellow Cab.

 

[Boom]

We're talking about hand-to-hand combat.

Not vehicle "fights" .

 

[Quasimod0]

Why not make it similar to the stuff in arkham asylum? I think the way bats fights in that is pretty cool

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

We're talking about hand-to-hand combat.

Not vehicle "fights" .

Thankgod. Because those vehicle fights were awful. I do see your point though, and i expect Nolan to improve on the fights in TDKR. I wouldnt go as far as to say that i want the Bourne shaky cam fights. Sure, i loved some of the fight scenes in the bourne trilogy, specially when the guy smacks people across the face with a rolled up magazine while the other guy, who has a knife, cant seem to do anything with it, eventhough they're both highly trained agents who were working for Treadstone. t:

 

[Godzilla2014]

Would something like this tickle anybody else's fancy (Minus the more-ridiculous moves)?

No thank you. I hate fight scenes in movies when the bad guys insist on attacking the hero one-at-a-time despite having a 10:1 advantage in their favor. This means that the hero wins not because of his skill, but his enemies' stupidity.

 

[bunk]

The B

 

[Godzilla2014]

The B

What?

 

[Tigerman]

I said it before, I'll say it again:

I absolutely hated the action scenes in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (save for maybe the first Batman fight scene from Begins). When I saw this (the link below) for the first time, I instinctively said to myself, "This is how Batman should be fighting!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRwo48twyE

Bam. Perfect combination of stylized camerawork (especially for the close-ups), kinetic and logical editing, rough, not-to-stylized action choreography and performances, and atmosphere. You can't see every move that's being thrown like in a HK-style fight scene, but a lot of the action is clearly seen and it works well with the fact that some of it needs to be implied by the audience too (like how Nolan intended the Batman Begins fights to be). The moving wide shot captures everything that goes on while cutting back and fourth to the close-ups and it really help this fight scene sell.

Another one that's very similar in style is the Travolta vs. gang fight from From Paris With Love. This one is just a bit more stylized because of the slow-motion, but it has the same principals and flow of action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKM0bzoh5k

Of the two, I'd say the fight from The Book of Eli is more suited for a Nolan Batman film.

 

[Doc Samson]

The Bourne fight scenes are worse than the Nolan fight scenes.

The "rawness" of the fights is, I think, what most people are referring to. It didn't seem like a dance or choreography.

That being said, the criticism of the fights in BB being too quickly edited goes double for most of the fights in the Bourne movies.