The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[ChickenScratch]

The Hub rules, all the Batman, GI Joe and Transformers you can handle.

 

[DaveMoral]

Woah, wait! I'm in Manchester right now. What is The Hub?

The Hub used to be Discovery Kids. They play Batman Beyond every weekday morning. Batman 66 every weekday night(the episodes with Green Hornet and Kato were just on this week). Transformers G1 at midnight every weekday, GIJOE A Real American Hero right after that. They have GIJOE Renegades on and Transformers Prime. Plus Fraggle Rock and tons of other old shows.

It's like 80s-kid TV heaven.

 

[Gianakin_]

Nice, I need to find a way to get that!

 

[BatScot]

The Schumacher movies are terrible because they took themselves too seriously.

The Schumacher movies are terrible because they took themselves too seriously.

 

[Mr. Earle]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT BARBARA'S WILD LIFE. GET BACK TO THE ICE PUNS.

So true!

tommy and val would have been great in their roles in a more serious take

I agree. They re both excellent actors.

 

[BatScot]

We've lost the plot. We need a pic or rumor of pic of whatever the TDKr suit or suits might or might not to be to put things back in focus.

 

[Marx]

The Schumacher movies are terrible because they took themselves too seriously.

This.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

But they did. Just ask the leading men.

 

[Lencho01]

We've lost the plot. We need a pic or rumor of pic of whatever the TDKr suit or suits might or might not to be to put things back in focus.

Agreed.

I asked this question in the last thread, but I don't think anyone answered: How do you guys feel about Batman having white eyes?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Agreed.

I asked this question in the last thread, but I don't think anyone answered: How do you guys feel about Batman having white eyes?

I ultimately would rather be able to see his eyes than have the comic book's lenses, if the choice came down to it. Having his eyes (as well as his mouth) visible allows Batman to express and emote in the mask, and makes his costume much more film friendly than Spider-Man's, so it doesn't have to be removed in order to do so.

 

[jacobed]

You can't do white eyes or lenses in TDKR. The subtle greatness of Bale's performance lies in his eyes. You can see the different emotions he is feeling in his eyes and you can't take that away.

 

[Infinity9999x]

While I wouldn't recommend the white lenses now, since they'd be such a drastic change, I do think we're forgetting that it is possible to give great performances when the actor's entire FACE is obscured. V For Vendetta being a prime example.

What I would like to see in the future though, if they do the white lenses, is, instead of covering the entire eye opening in the mask like they did with the sonar lenses in TDK, have the lenses be white contacts essentially. Then that still keeps some emotion, as we can see the eyes narrow/widen etc. You could easily use some pseudo-science to explain how they're extremely advanced lenses with multiple protective properties/night-vision/thermals etc.

 

[Saint]

TDK got the idea right; retractable lenses have always been the answer. The execution was just off.

 

[Godzilla2014]

While I wouldn't recommend the white lenses now, since they'd be such a drastic change, I do think we're forgetting that it is possible to give great performances when the actor's entire FACE is obscured. V For Vendetta being a prime example.

I think that the "V For Vendetta" approach would work better for Jean Paul Valley's Batman (such as in a Knightfall movie) than Bruce Wayne. Otherwise let us see his eyes.

 

[Infinity9999x]

TDK got the idea right; retractable lenses have always been the answer. The execution was just off.

I would have them retractable, but still have them be contacts that switch to white once activated and stay clear otherwise.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think that the "V For Vendetta" approach would work better for Jean Paul Valley's Batman (such as in a Knightfall movie) than Bruce Wayne. Otherwise let us see his eyes.

I'm not suggesting they cover Batman's face completley like the V For Vendetta mask, I was merely citing the movie as an example where a performer had his entire face covered, and he was still able to convey emotions beautifully. So I certainly think an actor could manage if he had his eyes covered.

And again, the contact idea that I've proposed lets you still keep a certain extent of emotion in the eye area, since we would still see eyes narrowing/widening etc.

 

[Saint]

I would have them retractable, but still have them be contacts that switch to white once activated and stay clear otherwise.

I would probably stick to having them part of the cowl so they can be employed to protect the eyes. especially when Batman is employing gas and things like that. It's tricky, but I think it could be pulled of with some clever design.

 

[DaveMoral]

^I liked that about Batman Arkham Asylum. In regular mode you could see Batman's eyes, in Detective Mode they are white.

 

[KRIM]

TDK got the idea right; retractable lenses have always been the answer. The execution was just off.

I don't think much can be done to improve, with how the current cowl is constructed. The eyeholes need to be large and that doesn't lend itself well to the lenses concept. I can only really see it employed with a skintight cowl, but even then I'm not sure I'd be ok with the logistics issue of that.

 

[Saint]

I don't think much can be done to improve, with how the current cowl is constructed. The eyeholes need to be large and that doesn't lend itself well to the lenses concept. I can only really see it employed with a skintight cowl, but even then I'm not sure I'd be ok with the logistics issue of that.

I don't know, I think the current cowl is better for built-in lenses than a skin tight alternative. Yeah, you'd have to cheat by not having the lenses the same shape as the current eye openings--but I don't see that as a problem, since Batman Begins wants us to believe the black makeup is actually part of the cowl to begin with (if you look at the cowl prototype Alfred smashes, it goes right up against where Bale's eye-lids would be).

Anyways, if the lenses are designed in a way similar to Daredevil's lenses, I don't see a problem. Incidentally, the mediocrity of that movie aside, they had an absolutely incredibly cowl design.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm not suggesting they cover Batman's face completley like the V For Vendetta mask, I was merely citing the movie as an example where a performer had his entire face covered, and he was still able to convey emotions beautifully. So I certainly think an actor could manage if he had his eyes covered.

And again, the contact idea that I've proposed lets you still keep a certain extent of emotion in the eye area, since we would still see eyes narrowing/widening etc.

I know, but I don't think it would work for the same reason that KRIM states below:

I don't think much can be done to improve, with how the current cowl is constructed. The eyeholes need to be large and that doesn't lend itself well to the lenses concept. I can only really see it employed with a skintight cowl, but even then I'm not sure I'd be ok with the logistics issue of that.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I know, but I don't think it would work for the same reason that KRIM states below:

Oh, I'm not advocating for lenses in the series now. The motif of Batman's cowl has already been established, it would feel a bit odd to change in the third movie.

I'm talking down the road. Of course, in future Bat-films, if they decide to try and do a series that's more like TAS, which isn't quite so worried about appearing pseudo-realistic, then I wouldn't mind seeing a cowl where the cowl moves with the face and incorporates white lenses. That could be visually a very interesting look.

 

[Mr. Earle]

^I liked that about Batman Arkham Asylum. In regular mode you could see Batman's eyes, in Detective Mode they are white.

I think that would be the best choice. Showing his eyes for most of the time allows him to emote better and to not have a blank stare. He could use the lenses to scare people in the dark and do detective work Arkham Asylum style.

Incidentally, the mediocrity of that movie aside, they had an absolutely incredibly cowl design.

Indeed.

 

[Lencho01]

I was actually thinking of something like GL and/or Rorschach.

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During production the actor (Bale or more likely, whoever plays Batman later on) is able to act with their normal view and CGI is later used for the white eyes. Almost like the mask in Daredevil. The cowl would likely look closer to what Batman has at the end of the "Super Harmony" video as far as how much/little we see of the skin around Batman's eyes.

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Here are GL and Daredevil pics...

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[Godzilla2014]

I was actually thinking of something like GL and/or Rorschach.

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During production the actor (Bale or more likely, whoever plays Batman later on) is able to act with their normal view and CGI is later used for the white eyes. Almost like the mask in Daredevil. The cowl would likely look closer to what Batman has at the end of the "Super Harmony" video as far as how much/little we see of the skin around Batman's eyes.

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Here are GL and Daredevil pics...

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That works for Daredevil because he is blind. Batman's eyes should be visible because he uses them to express and emote to intimidate his opponents.

Speaking of Daredevil, why did so many people want a Batman movie to be like that when it hit the screens in 2003?