The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 105

[Ramsay Snow]

I'd be appalled if the crumbling buildings were in the film. Hell, I already am that it's been reused since the teaser in marketing. It looks so CGI and out of place with the rest of the film's Gotham, it would be distracting. They never reused TDK's animated teaser so I don't know why they insist shoving that one in our faces.

There was an extended version of that crumbling in the Chrysler lips for the TV Spot contest.

 

[LibraryKrystal]

Sorry if this has been noted before, but I think the Grayson shout-out at the football game is simply the player's name we see in the trailer: Ward.

 

[Avengers-Report]

No, I haven't seen the movie. And I don't think I'm acting like it.

I'm just really confident those things aren't going to happen based on all that we have seen and based on logic.

People think Gordon will die because he is a hospital bed...

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but that is because he almost drowned at the hands of Bane and saved by John Blake

. He is begging Batman to come back, well, we have footage all over the place of Batman with Gordon. So he doesn't die in the hospital because he is around with Batman comes back. Towards the end of the movie

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which is the City Hall scene

, it climaxes with CW chasing the Tumblers and the HEMMT that has the bomb and Gordon is climbing all over the HEMMT. He doesn't die then

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because we have footage of Batman and CW kissing and Batman trying to take the device and Gordon is at that scene too.

CW doesn't kill Bane

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because his mask gets broken and Catwoman has already left to chase Tate because Batman is busy still fighting

. Plus all the reasons I already said.

The reason why John Blake is said to die is because the scene in which his hands are up. This is when Judge pushes him down but later in the film we see him the police car chase where his car does crash but he doesn't die there either. So when will he die? And why would such a big name star just die for seemingly a lame reason? John Blake will be there at the end

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to take over where Gordon leaves off

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Batman/Bruce Wayne will not die either.

Never said anything about the other parts, and not that many people think Gordon is going to die. We all know he gets hurt from the sewer scene and asks Batman to come back.

As for Catwoman, your argument is still weak. The matter of fact is we have no idea what happens when she is in City Hall with Batman and Bane. Just because she leaves to chase Talia, does not mean she didn't do something else in City Hall.

 

[jb007]

Sorry, my eye's don't work that fast. Anyway you can do a side by side pic.?

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Never said anything about the other parts, and not that many people think Gordon is going to die. We all know he gets hurt from the sewer scene and asks Batman to come back.

As for Catwoman, your argument is still weak. The matter of fact is we have no idea what happens when she is in City Hall with Batman and Bane. Just because she leaves to chase Talia, does not mean she didn't do something else in City Hall.

And the argument for CW killing Bane is better? Because there is zero evidence that happens at all.

By the way it sounds, you just really want CW to murder Bane.

Alright. We'll see in July.

 

[Nevincer]

There was an extended version of that crumbling in the Chrysler lips for the TV Spot contest.

Well, I hope again it's just marketing stuff they didn't feel needed to be used in the teaser.

 

[kthevs]

Couple of pages late, but I may as well chip in:
I doubt the ending will be Batman standing on that bridge like we've seen in the trailers. Yes, BB and TDK both had their ending shots in trailers, but with how tightly wrapped the ending of TDKR is, I think it's something that they want people to feel compeltely fresh about.
It won't be Bruce & Alfred in Venice or wherever that scene was meant to be set. I can't see Bruce spending a decade risking his life for Gotham only to desert it once Bane kicks it. More likely to be Bruce and Alfred after he breaks out of the prison and before they arrive back in Gotham.
I also don't think that it will be Bruce & Selina going off into the sunset together to have hideous leather-winged feline children either, I think if Tate does actually turn out to be Talia and isn't just elaborate misdirection by Nolan, it will be more likely that she and Bruce will go off together. Although I can't really picture Nolan pulling out the exact same plot twist he had in BB.

Tate/Talie is a bad guy. She's leading the truck with the doomsday device. I doubt Bruce would just forgive her and leave with her.

 

[Avengers-Report]

And the argument for CW killing Bane is better? Because there is zero evidence that happens at all.

By the way it sounds, you just really want CW to murder Bane.

Alright. We'll see in July.

Wow. I'm not trying to predict anything, just saying you can't rule it out. And you are saying it doesn't happen at all.

 

[the Wankstar]

This Batman mountain dew isn't too shabby

 

[Travesty]

Travesty, regarding your sig, isn't it supposed to be "stay away" from me?

Yup, I guess I was just typing too fast.

And what's the deal with the emoticon?

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Well, I hope again it's just marketing stuff they didn't feel needed to be used in the teaser.

Sorry, it wasn't a proper reply to your post, just to add to it a bit - should've made myself clear. It looks cool, that shot.

 

[bullets]

This Batman mountain dew isn't too shabby

Did they change the taste or just put a Batman image on the container?

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Wow. I'm not trying to predict anything, just saying you can't rule it out. And you are saying it doesn't happen at all.

Just because I don't believe it will happen.

If there was any evidence of CW killing Bane then it would be a different story and I'd entertain the idea, but not only is there no evidence but it doesn't feel like a decision Nolan would make.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

Tate/Talie is a bad guy. She's leading the truck with the doomsday device. I doubt Bruce would just forgive her and leave with her.

Really? I never saw that.

 

[the Wankstar]

Did they change the taste or just put a Batman image on the container?

No it's a new flavor & funny enough in the bottle it looks purple but when u pour it out it's blue. Blurple is back.

 

[bullets]

No it's a new flavor & funny enough in the bottle it looks purple but when u pour it out it's blue. Blurple is back.

Heh, that's weird. I haven't seen it yet but will have to try some.

 

[Rogzilla]

Anymore boring than him looking over gotham ready to fight another day? Haven't seen that before.

Hero dies, everyone is sad. Yep, that's never been done. Hero accomplishes his mission and hangs up his suit! Wow, so unique!

All the endings are done.

He chooses because he is the only one who can, The fate of gotham rests on their own shoulders but the only one who could serve as an example to follow is him, you think he wants to be doing this? You think he enjoys not having a family, or a normal life? This isn't the comics, this is a finite mission, he wants to save gotham not police it.

Gotham isn't in real peace, it makes no sense narratively to have Bruce accomplish what he wants and for the story to continue, the aim of the story is to get at the goal and gotham and bruce are far from it. This isn't real peace it's a fragile one which Bane breaks with a couple of words and a couple of explosions and in turn starts a war. The idea isn't to go back to that fake peace, the idea is to finally create a real one, and the only way for that to happen is for things to get much much worse.

If gotham is in fake peace, so is Bruce, all those shots of Bruce looking worn down, tired, hurt, he is not in a happy place when this film starts, this is more about healing and saving gotham, its about saving his soul from the monster that was born when his parents died.

If bane beats batman near to death, then bane beats him again and kills him then its a copout. This is more than just life and death, this is much more they are fighting for the future of Gotham. Bruce sacrificing his life and becoming a martyr for gotham city is different to Bane defeating Batman. They mean completely different things on a much deeper level rather than the simple paper thin...."duhhhh batman dies or batman lives"

AH! Excellent, someone willing to discuss things!

I'll be honest, I was very much expecting Batman to die at the end of this film. It CAN make narritive sense. But the way I am seeing the trailers, it just doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be. *shrugs* If his death is done well and is meaningful, then great! But if it comes off of "Well, lets kill him so we don't have to make anymore of these" (which it could) then I will be disappointed.

A "Bruce at peace" ending just wouldn't jive with me. Real or imagined, I don't think he will ever find peace. He can lie to himself all he wants, that "Gotham is saved" but finding peace just won't work for me, even if he finds real peace vs fake peace.

BUT I think an ending where Bruce finds peace in his monster, not apart from it, would be perfectly valid and conclude the story Nolan wanted to tell. Again, even if it makes total narrative sense, even if there is justifications for it, a death or retirement ending is going to seem...wrong.

 

[Avengers-Report]

Just because I don't believe it will happen.

If there was any evidence of CW killing Bane then it would be a different story and I'd entertain the idea, but not only is there no evidence but it doesn't feel like a decision Nolan would make.

Except you're not conveying these as what you think will happen. You're saying it will.

 

[Reek]

I'm quite scared July 19th is going to be like Groundhog's Day.

 

[Norek]

Yup, I guess I was just typing too fast.

And what's the deal with the emoticon?

It's cool.

 

[joker1524]

I'm quite scared July 19th is going to be like Groundhog's Day.

what do u mean? lol

 

[Reek]

what do u mean? lol

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[Rogzilla]

Bruce cannot be batman for the rest of his adult life. That would be no devopment or growth to the character at all. He need to prove Rachel wrong. He needs to prove that a day will come where he no longer needs to be Batman. He either has to die or retire and have a normal life. This is not the comics or the cartoons where he and Catwoman and Gordan and everyone will always be the same and never mature. The retirement at the start of the movie has him being lonely and depressed. The retirement at the end should be about having peace and finally being happy.

Maybe, but for how long? It just seems weird for him to simply hang up his cowl and say "Well, I'm done. I'm off to live a normal life." I think about the ending of the Hurt Locker, where the main character comes back, tries to live a normal life, but ultimately decides he needs more and signs up to go back out. I just won't buy a "retirement" ending at all.

 

[joker1524]

Maybe, but for how long? It just seems weird for him to simply hang up his cowl and say "Well, I'm done. I'm off to live a normal life." I think about the ending of the Hurt Locker, where the main character comes back, tries to live a normal life, but ultimately decides he needs more and signs up to go back out. I just won't buy a "retirement" ending at all.

for him to be supposedly retired for those 8 yrs n comeback and then retire again just seems so.......i dunno it just reminds me of michael jordans comeback story lol

 

[Sharkboy]

Hero dies, everyone is sad. Yep, that's never been done. Hero accomplishes his mission and hangs up his suit! Wow, so unique!

All the endings are done.

But not in the context of a Batman film, or a superhero film. It almost be the equivalent of Bond dying. We've known the batman to be everlasting, so if he dies in the name of his mission, it only makes sense in regards to the themes presented in the past two films. As a man, he can die, he is flesh and blood and bone, it can be broken and destroyed. But as a symbol, he is everlasting and inspiring, Batman has spent his career using that to put the fear of god into criminals, maybe that isn't the answer, maybe just like how Thomas and Marthas death galvanised the rich into action into helping gotham, maybe Bruce Wayne's death will set into motion events that make sure Gotham will never go back to the depths that it was, proving that a city doesn't need to be destroyed to be saved, all it needs is inspiration and an example of heroics with a selfless act of sacrifice by bruce wayne.

AH! Excellent, someone willing to discuss things!

I'll be honest, I was very much expecting Batman to die at the end of this film. It CAN make narritive sense. But the way I am seeing the trailers, it just doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be. *shrugs* If his death is done well and is meaningful, then great! But if it comes off of "Well, lets kill him so we don't have to make anymore of these" (which it could) then I will be disappointed.

A "Bruce at peace" ending just wouldn't jive with me. Real or imagined, I don't think he will ever find peace. He can lie to himself all he wants, that "Gotham is saved" but finding peace just won't work for me, even if he finds real peace vs fake peace.

BUT I think an ending where Bruce finds peace in his monster, not apart from it, would be perfectly valid and conclude the story Nolan wanted to tell. Again, even if it makes total narrative sense, even if there is justifications for it, a death or retirement ending is going to seem...wrong.

You got that right, bruce will never really live a normal life, he will always have this monster in him, if he lets go it's because he is dead and finally at peace, if he doesn't die, then he will adapt. He can't just be the demonic bat-son of Ra's, nor can he be the spoilt rich kid bruce wayne, he needs to come to terms with both sides and be a combination. I don't believe he will "die" but he certainly won't continue as batman and he won't be on a house on the hill smiling.