The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 7

[kvz5]

So the prison break in CMU is for Bane breaking out of prison but the Siberian prison camp may or may not be for Bane and is possibly Bruce related? Correct?

 

[Kynergy]

So the prison break in CMU is for Bane breaking out of prison but the Siberian prison camp may or may not be for Bane and is possibly Bruce related? Correct?

Seems like it. The prison at CMU may possibly be doubling for a Siberian prison, as Rag said he believes the prison is outside of Gotham.

 

[The_Raganork]

Where was Bruce being held in BB?

 

[Stelze]

Where was Bruce being held in BB?

It was supposed to be a bhutanese prison.

 

[slimshady247]

It was supposed to be a bhutanese prison.

So Siberia would be Northern Asia, while Bhutan is Southern. Still Asia either way. I don't believe it's specified in the film, is it? Saw it on Wikipedia...

 

[Nevincer]

One thing I've been worried about is the possibility that some of these 'flashbacks' are 'additions' to BB Act One. For example, as suggested, reshoots of Bale in prison at the same place he was held in Tibet, or more of the training sequence with "Tom Hardy" included... it'd make BB somewhat hard to watch for me.

 

[slimshady247]

One thing I've been worried about is the possibility that some of these 'flashbacks' are 'additions' to BB Act One. For example, as suggested, reshoots of Bale in prison at the same place he was held in Tibet, or more of the training sequence with "Tom Hardy" included... it'd make BB somewhat hard to watch for me.

Eh, I doubt they'll pull an SM3. If Nolan does, he'll do it well. Or at least I hope he does.

 

[The_Raganork]

Nolan doesn't seem the type to throw in things we didn't know, into the lore we know.

I can accept that Bruce was in Prison before, possibly being watched By Ra's, possibly even being manipulated from prison to prison by Ra's, hence the ease of his release in BB.

 

[kvz5]

I don't know... I'm not convinced that the Bruce prison scene is a flashback. At least for now until I see more evidence supporting it.

 

[Kynergy]

One thing I've been worried about is the possibility that some of these 'flashbacks' are 'additions' to BB Act One. For example, as suggested, reshoots of Bale in prison at the same place he was held in Tibet, or more of the training sequence with "Tom Hardy" included... it'd make BB somewhat hard to watch for me.

If this does happen, and they are flashbacks to that time, I'm sure they will be small. I'm hoping that this is what Liam Neeson is for, flashbacks. It would help the Batman/Bruce character, rather than him having anything to do with Bane.

 

[kvz5]

If this does happen, and they are flashbacks to that time, I'm sure they will be small. I'm hoping that this is what Liam Neeson is for, flashbacks. It would help the Batman/Bruce character, rather than him having anything to do with Bane.

I agree with this.

(although I kinda contradicted my earlier post that the Bruce prison scenes might not be a flashback )

 

[Bats]

I don't know... I'm not convinced that the Bruce prison scene is a flashback. At least for now until I see more evidence supporting it.

I'm not sure what to think myself. I'm thinking if Bale is imprisoned elsewhere in TDKR it could be that he's trying to re-learn the mindset of the criminal like he did in BB. This might be a retraining experience to have him get back to be the person he was before.

 

[Nevincer]

If this does happen, and they are flashbacks to that time, I'm sure they will be small. I'm hoping that this is what Liam Neeson is for, flashbacks. It would help the Batman/Bruce character, rather than him having anything to do with Bane.

Now that I wouldn't mind. What I would mind is the sort of thing where Bruce met a major character whilst training with the League, but it was omitted in the narrative until now, or some really important kind of detail that they'd claim connects it back to BB but was really only TDKR's version of BB's events. That sort of thing would bug me, nothing else.

 

[kvz5]

I'm not sure what to think myself. I'm thinking if Bale is imprisoned elsewhere in TDKR it could be that he's trying to re-learn the mindset of the criminal like he did in BB. This might be a retraining experience to have him get back to be the person he was before.

I'm swaying back and forth on whether it's a flashback scene or set in the present. I really, really like the idea though of Bruce being imprisoned again as part of his investigation/training so I'm leaning towards that but I see the allure of more Ra's/Bruce flashback scenes.

 

[The_Raganork]

If this does happen, and they are flashbacks to that time, I'm sure they will be small. I'm hoping that this is what Liam Neeson is for, flashbacks. It would help the Batman/Bruce character, rather than him having anything to do with Bane.

As you know, this has been my theory/hope and desire for a long time.

Let's hope we're right.

 

[Kynergy]

What I would mind is the sort of thing where Bruce met a major character whilst training with the League, but it was omitted in the narrative until now, or some really important kind of detail that they'd claim connects it back to BB but was really only TDKR's version of BB's events. That sort of thing would bug me, nothing else.

Ya, I agree, I wouldn't like that either. That would seem like lazy writing, which is why I don't think Nolan would do it. It would just seem to convenient and last minute if it happened that way.

If it turns out that Bruce met Bane during that BB time and we just happened to not see it...I wouldn't like that at all.

 

[Nevincer]

Nolan doesn't seem the type to throw in things we didn't know, into the lore we know.

I can accept that Bruce was in Prison before, possibly being watched By Ra's, possibly even being manipulated from prison to prison by Ra's, hence the ease of his release in BB.

Ra's definitely had some kind of power over that prison, no doubt.

 

[Kynergy]

As you know, this has been my theory/hope and desire for a long time.

Let's hope we're right.

I hope we're right too.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Do they start filming in Pittsburgh tomorrow?

July 25 to Aug. 5:

Dithridge from Fifth Avenue to Winthrop Street, 5 a.m. Monday to 10 p.m. Friday

 

[Solidus]

One thing I've been worried about is the possibility that some of these 'flashbacks' are 'additions' to BB Act One. For example, as suggested, reshoots of Bale in prison at the same place he was held in Tibet, or more of the training sequence with "Tom Hardy" included... it'd make BB somewhat hard to watch for me.

This won't be a problem I believe. The difference between SM3 and this was SM3 retconned a scene that took place in like 30 seconds. Ben being shot then in 10 seconds they decided to squeeze in another villain to the sub plot, that is bad.

With Begins he was on his journey for 7 years, and I can't remember how many but probably a few with the LOS. So there is lots of room for more story set in his early years, does not mean we are going back to a pure origin though.

The thing with the "dark mirror" villains (like Venom, Bizzaro, Bane, among many) is that they are very similar to the main character, and they show how their life would have been different if not for a few things that separated them from good to evil. Showing Bane in the same light is a necessity to let Bruce look into the mirror himself, and sees what sets Batman apart from everyone else. And why he is needed.

 

[The_Raganork]

But There's no proof that Bane is a "dark mirror" character. Ra's and Joker played those parts pretty well.

And if he is it doesn't mean that his origins will be so intimately tied with Bruce.

It was always my opinion that having the dark mirror character and the hero meet before and go down different paths was always going too far.

Scaramanga in the Man With the Golden Gun was the perfect image of James Bond but, they didn't share a similar past to the point where they had been together and trained together.

To go back and say "oh and by the way, Bane was in the LoS too" just feels so lazy and boring.

Give him a origins that has him similar to Bruce (if need be) independent of the LoS.

 

[Solidus]

Joker is an arch nemesis, I see him in a different light. Joker is COMPLETE opposite, so he is the anti matter to his matter. Bane is a dark mirror in the comics, so I don't think it will be any different. A dark mirror is just the bad reflection of him, similar and almost the same but not. Joker and him have some similarities but only in their extreme attitudes one way or another, they are also negative and positive. The Arch nemesis is a different class altogether.

Most villains are dark mirrors of the hero in some way this is true, but there is one that either has the same power as him (Venom) or from an alternate dimension (Bizzaro) or has the same type of training and same ambition to become a fighting machine (Bane) and if it is true the same training. Because what differs with Venom and so forth is he gets his powers in a physical form, with Bats its training, so if Bane has similar training and uses it for evil it would be the dark mirror of him, the Dark Batman to a point, the one that can defeat him (for a while) in the hero story.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I'm personally hoping for Bruce to have to retrain after being broken, retracing the steps he went through before. That way it's almost like a flashback, but it's really set in the current.

 

[Solidus]

And I'm not saying that Bane will be training with the LOS, he may be effected by them in another way. It's clear that the LOS are in this in some capacity. So, it could be done in another way. But Ra's may be involved in some way.

 

[twostep]

I can see no way that Bane would be a part of the League of Shadows. Despite the obvious fanboy reaches, it makes little logical sense.