The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 138

[Kane52630]

 

[antovolk]

"Signed" copy of my v1 script PDF (that MediaFire link) on sale for $600.
http://www.ioffer.com/i/the-dark-knight-rises-movie-script-signed-b-8-519704873
Good thing that it's the one with the typos (the funniest one according to Reddit being being FOLEY: "Okay, Commissioner, you were tight")

 

[BatLobster]

One thing I'm surprised I haven't seen more people discuss was the moment after Bruce escapes where he throws the rope down to free all the prisoners. Something about that was very powerful to me. Here's a guy who's dedicated himself to ridding the world of crime, and that's what he decides to do.

I just thought it was poetic that not only does he restore Batman to a symbol of good for Gotham, but he's even a symbol of redemption for a bunch of lost souls on the other side of the world.

Batman truly has no limits.

 

[kvz5]

One thing I'm surprised I haven't seen more people discuss was the moment after Bruce escapes where he throws the rope down to free all the prisoners. Something about that was very powerful to me. Here's a guy who's dedicated himself to ridding the world of crime, and that's what he decides to do.

I just thought it was poetic that not only does he restore Batman to a symbol of good for Gotham, but he's even a symbol of redemption for a bunch of lost souls on the other side of the world.

Batman truly has no limits.

Yeah I liked that a lot too. It says a lot about his character. And hey that's the least he could do after smashing the TV.

 

[craigdbfan]

One thing I'm surprised I haven't seen more people discuss was the moment after Bruce escapes where he throws the rope down to free all the prisoners. Something about that was very powerful to me. Here's a guy who's dedicated himself to ridding the world of crime, and that's what he decides to do.

I just thought it was poetic that not only does he restore Batman to a symbol of good for Gotham, but he's even a symbol of redemption for a bunch of lost souls on the other side of the world.

Batman truly has no limits.

You have to remember though that the only prisoner that was one of the inmates during Bane's imprioment was the blind morphine addict doctor.

Everybody else there was put in by Bane. So a lot of them might have not been guilty of a crime but merely in his way during his days as a mercenary.

A lot of people think they're the same guys that raped and killed Talia's mother but that's not the case. Bane had killed off a good portion and Ra's Al Ghul finished off whoever was left.

 

[BlackFox]

One thing I'm surprised I haven't seen more people discuss was the moment after Bruce escapes where he throws the rope down to free all the prisoners. Something about that was very powerful to me. Here's a guy who's dedicated himself to ridding the world of crime, and that's what he decides to do.

I just thought it was poetic that not only does he restore Batman to a symbol of good for Gotham, but he's even a symbol of redemption for a bunch of lost souls on the other side of the world.

Batman truly has no limits.

A classy move from a classy guy

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Unless of course some of those guys were in there for a reason...

 

[kvz5]

You have to remember though that the only prisoner that was one of the inmates during Bane's imprioment was the blind morphine addict doctor.

Everybody else there was put in by Bane. So a lot of them might have not been guilty of a crime but merely in his way during his days as a mercenary.

A lot of people think they're the same guys that raped and killed Talia's mother but that's not the case. Bane had killed off a good portion and Ra's Al Ghul finished off whoever was left.

Yup. Doctor aside, those are just people that pissed Bane off. They're not the same men that wanted to rape/harass Talia and Mama Al Ghul.

 

[BlackFox]

Unless of course some of those guys were in there for a reason...

I assumed they were mostly against the LoS and were wrongly imprisoned for no reason other than that, sort of Nelson Mandela types. Not your normal everyday crim.

 

[BatLobster]

You have to remember though that the only prisoner that was one of the inmates during Bane's imprioment was the blind morphine addict doctor.

Everybody else there was put in by Bane. So a lot of them might have not been guilty of a crime but merely in his way during his days as a mercenary.

A lot of people think they're the same guys that raped and killed Talia's mother but that's not the case. Bane had killed off a good portion and Ra's Al Ghul finished off whoever was left.

That's true. But there were definitely some older guys in there.

I assumed they were mostly against the LoS and were wrongly imprisoned for no reason other than that, sort of Nelson Mandela types. Not your normal everyday crim.

That's a likely scenario. Though I could also imagine if simply being Bane's prison and not the LOS, and a place where he dumped a lot his "prisoners of war" during his time as an international mercenary apart from the LOS, in which case they'd all have varying levels of guilt, with some being more innocent than others.

 

[The Guard]

I wouldn't say that I didn't feel Gotham was in danger. It clearly was, what with public executions/hangings, cops being hunted, cops imprisoned, a bit of starvation, and the threat of the bomb. But I definitely think we didn't see nearly enough of the suffering/circumstances/reactions of the regular people of Gotham, those who weren't the bankers, cops or orphans.

I don't think we can really say who among the current prisoners was actually in the prison when Bane was there. The film is vague about it. A character says "This is Bane's prison now", but the film never says Bane or Ra's released anyone who was originally there, or that all the original prisoners were killed or anything like that. Some of them must have been around back then, otherwise, how did "Bane's story" become known?

 

[KalMart]

I wouldn't say that I didn't feel Gotham was in danger. It clearly was, what with public executions/hangings, cops being hunted, cops imprisoned, a bit of starvation, and the threat of the bomb. But I definitely think we didn't see nearly enough of the suffering/circumstances/reactions of the regular people of Gotham, those who weren't the bankers, cops or orphans.

I don't think we can really say who among the current prisoners was actually in the prison when Bane was there. The film is vague about it. A character says "This is Bane's prison now", but the film never says Bane or Ra's released anyone who was originally there, or that all the original prisoners were killed or anything like that. Some of them must have been around back then, otherwise, how did "Bane's story" become known?

I think a big question is whether you as a viewer felt like you experienced the danger more or less in TDKR than TDK. I think TDK did it better...but it also didn't seem to try and cover as many 'angles' as TDKR did, so by nature TDK may have been a bit easier to immerse into.

 

[kvz5]

Full circle!

 

[craigdbfan]

Full circle!

Mind blown.

More mutual understanding head shaking between Bale and Caine at the conclusion of a film please Nolan.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Is that The Prestige?

 

[Dragon_316ca]

Here's another one:

Spoiler

 

[KalMart]

Is that The Prestige?

Ci.

 

[Deserana]

I think a big question is whether you as a viewer felt like you experienced the danger more or less in TDKR than TDK. I think TDK did it better...but it also didn't seem to try and cover as many 'angles' as TDKR did, so by nature TDK may have been a bit easier to immerse into.

I love TDKR more emotionally on a character level whereas danger level TDK is higher. BB is a very good balance of both.

 

[KalMart]

I love TDKR more emotionally on a character level whereas danger level TDK is higher. BB is a very good balance of both.

I felt that the emotion felt a bit too forced and packaged in TDKR, even though more of it was written into the story. I felt more immersed in TDK as a whole.

 

[Greens]

Reading through posts from 2008 right when the first theatrical trailer hit. I want to be that excited again.

 

[Deserana]

I felt that the emotion felt a bit too forced and packaged in TDKR, even though more of it was written into the story. I felt more immersed in TDK as a whole.

I felt more immersed in TDKR mainly because of the sheer spectacle of it, also I personally felt the weight of the 8 years in fact the whole first hour was my favourite. Everything from the look of the characters, the situation Gotham is in, little details of the sets and dialogue (rustiness of the batsignal, overdue library books etc...) so that sucked me right in. However at no point was I like "Oh crap Batman really needs to step up and sort this **** out" yet in TDK I was feeling that sense of danger. I can point out 2 main flaws in the film for me but personally they don't do much to lessen the enjoyment when I watch it.

 

[The Joker]

I felt that the emotion felt a bit too forced and packaged in TDKR, even though more of it was written into the story. I felt more immersed in TDK as a whole.

Ditto

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Full circle!

Holy ****. How did I not think of that?

 

[georgec]

What's the consensus on whether Alfred knew what to expect at the cafe in the end?

The last spoken line of the film is that guy mentioning that they "can't leave a string of pearls as lost" (paraphrasing). I would imagine they mentioned the missing pearls to Alfred, and he was able to trace them to Italy with the built in tracker. He then flew to Italy in the hope of seeing Bruce there. He almost looks anxious when he sits down, the way someone would before a big meeting or something similar.

 

[Marvolo]

Anyone seen this one: