The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

[Caped Crusader]

MTV trailer was the best. But I agree with most, I liked all of them.

 

[Batman]

I'm sorry, but... the teaser trailer was terrible. I can't see how anyone can claim to like that one aside from a strict loyalty to Nolan's franchise. It was Jim Gordon wheezing in a bed, buildings crumbling, and three seconds of Bane and Batman moving up a stairwell. And that was it.

Even by teaser trailer standards, I'd consider the minimalist approach to that one to be really bad. Not as bad as the logo/voiceover teaser trailer that The Dark Knight had, but still pretty abysmal. Everything else I was fine with. The third trailer is still one of the best trailers of all three movies, the MTV footage was great, the Nokia trailer was superb, and I even appreciated the focus on Bruce's character in the first full trailer.

 

[Reek]

I liked the teaser just because of the Bane/Batman scene... Bane looked like a monster. and i thought the crumbling buildings were kind of cool.

its just a teaser so I am pretty care less about it,.

 

[chintai80]

i think batman begins had the best teaser trailer. because it gave you this serious, non comic-bookey vibe. which was unexpected.

dark knight teaser sucked. lol.
dkr teaser was ok.

 

[litobirdy]

I'm sorry, but... the teaser trailer was terrible. I can't see how anyone can claim to like that one aside from a strict loyalty to Nolan's franchise. It was Jim Gordon wheezing in a bed, buildings crumbling, and three seconds of Bane and Batman moving up a stairwell. And that was it.

Even by teaser trailer standards, I'd consider the minimalist approach to that one to be really bad. Not as bad as the logo/voiceover teaser trailer that The Dark Knight had, but still pretty abysmal. Everything else I was fine with. The third trailer is still one of the best trailers of all three movies, the MTV footage was great, the Nokia trailer was superb, and I even appreciated the focus on Bruce's character in the first full trailer.

has everyone forgotten what a teaser trailer is?
A TEASE!!! years ago a teaser trailer was pretty much the logo and maybe music or some dialogue. now people want teasers to be full blown trailers. The teaser for TDKR, had new dialogue, showed gordon in a hospital and showed batman looking exhausted fighting Bane, and very dramatic music. It served its purposed, it teased the hell out of us, why is gordon in hospital, is he dying. does he know bruce is batman? oh man batman/bane fight, omg OMGGG POOF!

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

I'm sorry, but... the teaser trailer was terrible. I can't see how anyone can claim to like that one aside from a strict loyalty to Nolan's franchise. It was Jim Gordon wheezing in a bed, buildings crumbling, and three seconds of Bane and Batman moving up a stairwell. And that was it.

Even by teaser trailer standards, I'd consider the minimalist approach to that one to be really bad. Not as bad as the logo/voiceover teaser trailer that The Dark Knight had, but still pretty abysmal. Everything else I was fine with. The third trailer is still one of the best trailers of all three movies, the MTV footage was great, the Nokia trailer was superb, and I even appreciated the focus on Bruce's character in the first full trailer.

The teaser trailer is definitely the worst trailer but I don't think it is really that bad because it is so much more than what we got with TDK trailer.

And, btw, I thought TDKR was weakest in the series, by far. Because I know you're referring to me when you mention "strict loyalty".

 

[Travesty]

I have just about zero loyalty to Nolan's Bat-franchise, and I thought the teaser was good. It did its job, and it showed us a wrecked Gordon, along with our first shot of a struggling Batman and an unstoppable Bane.

Not nearly as good as BB, but much better than TDK teaser.

 

[Batman]

The teaser trailer is definitely the worst trailer but I don't think it is really that bad because it is so much more than what we got with TDK trailer.

And, btw, I thought TDKR was weakest in the series, by far. Because I know you're referring to me when you mention "strict loyalty".

Oh, no, I wasn't singling anyone in particular out. I feel that's actually a pretty widespread mindset, maybe even the majority, so I don't really mean to say anyone directly caused that comment. I was merely replying in general.

 

[shauner111]

I'm sorry, but... the teaser trailer was terrible. I can't see how anyone can claim to like that one aside from a strict loyalty to Nolan's franchise. It was Jim Gordon wheezing in a bed, buildings crumbling, and three seconds of Bane and Batman moving up a stairwell. And that was it.

Even by teaser trailer standards, I'd consider the minimalist approach to that one to be really bad. Not as bad as the logo/voiceover teaser trailer that The Dark Knight had, but still pretty abysmal. Everything else I was fine with. The third trailer is still one of the best trailers of all three movies, the MTV footage was great, the Nokia trailer was superb, and I even appreciated the focus on Bruce's character in the first full trailer.

Obviously you dont know the definition of a teaser trailer. It's a tease and that's it. TDK tease did its job, and so did this one. It's not supposed to have a lot of footage at all. It showed us a bit from the last 2 movies, it told the audience that it's the end of a trilogy, that Batman was returning and showed a glimpse of a monstrous Bane about to unleash somethin' on the Batman. It's more than enough for a teaser. They're supposed to be nothing more than an announcement piece. To let the general audience and fanboys know that there's a new Batman movie on its way. That's about it.

I agree with the third trailer, mtv, nokia, etc. they were all awesome. I even liked the first one but when you compare it to the others now it falls flat.

 

[Batman]

I have just about zero loyalty to Nolan's Bat-franchise, and I thought the teaser was good. It did its job, and it showed us a wrecked Gordon, along with our first shot of a struggling Batman and an unstoppable Bane.

I disagree, but fair enough. I stand corrected on saying why someone would like it. I know that you're among one of the movie's strongest critics, so if you say you liked it, there has to be more to it.

 

[CConn]

Personally, I think the windspread mindset is TDK > TDKR > BB. As evidenced by the various critical and fan reviews throughout the Internet.

I will admit, among hardcore fans like us, BB seems to be better liked than by the GA, but I think that more has to due with our need/liking of its comic book aspects rather than it being a legitimately better movie than either TDK or TDKR.

 

[Reek]

Batman is not Teh Batman

 

[Batman]

I will admit, among hardcore fans like us, BB seems to be better liked than by the GA, but I think that more has to due with our need/liking of its comic book aspects rather than it being a legitimately better movie than either TDK or TDKR.

I'll agree with that, to some extent. My liking of it's comic book aspects are less about it's authenticity to the comics and more to it's authenticity to the character in general - the best of the previous films, the Animated Series, all of that great stuff. I feel like Batman Begins fell more in line with the Batman I grew up with, which is why I think I prefer it over TDK and TDKR, which were very much a tonal shift to some sort of degree. No less valid to the character, just not with quite the same feel.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

In terms of film, I think each has a unique place in the genre. BB effectively popularised the whole "reboot" "remake" "origin" movie staple that seems to have a slough of followers, TDK does the same with the "grim and gritty realistic" approach. It works out well because it is Batman we're talking about, the character has always been grim and realistic from the start (minus those Silver Linings in the middle). And a receptive Hollywood would've encouraged the boldness of TDKR trying to make a conclusion, or as I've said before, a Christ movie that isn't about his crucifixion but rather about the Revelations. There ought to be more movies that dares to do that with its legacy. The HP books are another good example, but as they were adapting directly it really doesn't count.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

For me, it's TDK > BB > TDKR.

As much as I'm a fan of Batman (and always will be), I'm also a giant film fan so TDK edges over BB for me.

So many things in TDK just trump BB for me. The story and the writing (no usage of the word Fear every two sentences) give it that huge edge over Begins. Also, the dark, cold and gritty tone (with tons of allusions and similarities to the comics) make me love it even more. And yes, we got Heath.

But another thing I love about TDK is Gordon. My god did Gary give it is all with the increased amount of screen time. I also think Christian is heavily underrated as Bruce/Batman in TDK.

 

[shauner111]

I walked out of Rises thinking it was my favorite out of the 3. But that's cuz i was on that natural high. Now i just consider all 3 to be on the same level (for me personally). I just can't choose one over the other. I tried and it's impossible lol.

So i now look at it like it's one huge story that's seperated into 3 big chapters. Which is what it is anyhow. A real trilogy, not just 1 movie and two sequels and then the fans call it a trilogy cuz they simply stopped making more films. It really is like one huge story for Bruce Wayne so i can't name a single favorite.

 

[Kane52630]

My personal favorite is Batman Begins but I put all three in the highest regard for favorite films overall.

 

[Tequilla]

His - or Pfister's - style has changed and evolved over the years. And that's kind of what I'm interested to see. Was it Nolan evolving or was it Pfister evolving? And will another cinematographer bring any different and new elements to Nolan's current visual style?

it will be fun to see what's next for Nolan (visual and story wise).

Reading articles and listening interviews of Wally Pfister , they definitely shared a vision in terms of visual language , and their collaboration had a practicability that is difficult to achieve between dp and director (ending a lot of times in some form of clash). They know what they want to capture and how to do it.

Being Nolan very knowledge of the process , and having some experience , i would think he would like to start another long term relationship , instead of working with more prominent photographers .

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Christopher Nolan and Roger Deakins please. That'd be interesting.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I'm rewatching the trilogy for the umpteenth time and I have to say something about Batman Begins is still appealing -- that sort of corrupt, Frank Miller-ish noir world Bruce learning to become Batman it's just so wonderfully set out. BB also, I think, had so many "worlds" on its own with the training outside of Gotham, his initial return prior to donning the Bat-persona, and then afterwards. Don't get me wrong, I love the entire trilogy but watching it again you just start to appreciate each movie on its own.

 

[BatLobster]

Wow, I just noticed that the music in the teaser is a part of "Rise". Probably a little late on that lol

 

[Tequilla]

Christopher Nolan and Roger Deakins please. That'd be interesting.

Serra , Lubzeki , Bob Richardson , Doyle , Ballhaus , Elswitt , Lubezki , Prieto , Claudio Miranda , Cronenweth etc , etc , etc. All guys that i would love to see working with Nolan. It will be fun to see if he's going to work with established dp's.

There's a lot of talent in that area (and even more outside US , some of them not very known in american cinema).

We can't forget Nolan wants to work with film .

 

[Caped Crusader]

Wow, I just noticed that the music in the teaser is a part of "Rise". Probably a little late on that lol

noticed that too

 

[Brother Jack]

In terms of film, I think each has a unique place in the genre. BB effectively popularised the whole "reboot" "remake" "origin" movie staple that seems to have a slough of followers, TDK does the same with the "grim and gritty realistic" approach. It works out well because it is Batman we're talking about, the character has always been grim and realistic from the start (minus those Silver Linings in the middle). And a receptive Hollywood would've encouraged the boldness of TDKR trying to make a conclusion, or as I've said before, a Christ movie that isn't about his crucifixion but rather about the Revelations. There ought to be more movies that dares to do that with its legacy. The HP books are another good example, but as they were adapting directly it really doesn't count.

One of the things I love most about the trilogy is that each film feels unique in various ways but are all still clearly apart of a larger narrative, namely Bruce Wayne's character arc. It's a pretty hard thing to do both, making things that are distinct and familiar at the same time, and the fact that this does it makes it one of the few successful trilogies.

 

[TheGothamKnight]

Christopher Nolan and Roger Deakins please. That'd be interesting.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. YES! That would be perfect.


Also, personally it's: TDKR=TDK>BB.

I like TDKR and TDK equally for different reasons. Each had fantastic performances and a great story (at least in my opinion) with characters that kept you interested and a villain that was simply awesome.