The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

[Alex Logan]

Batman's post said this to you a few pages ago and all you did was facepalm even though he's right;

Saying he doesn't like taking life doesn't mean he won't do it. He never said he doesn't kill or execute. Bale's Batman did.

Big LOL at him telling Selina earlier "No guns. No killing" then he goes and blasts the hell out of Talia's driver.

It's right here in full color and you still need it explained. Amazing.

 

[BaleISBatman4ev]

Get it straight. The Dark Knight Rises is a Great film obscured by the fact that it exists within the pantheon of the greatest comic/hero trilogy ever made and following one of the greatest Films/Scripts/Performances to grace the silver screen. Context/Expectations are everything and it was easy to be disappointed in TDKR, for all the things we imagined and hoped it would be... I was greatly so on my first viewing, but after having seen it 6 times I understand what it IS more... I love it for what it IS irregardless of the MASTERPIECENESS of the film that came before it.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about and thank you for proving another one of arguments.

I didn't provide anything. I just joined into an already existing one.

The people who are constantly attacking this film always feel the need to drop some condensation into the mix.

You mean like these?

Then facepalming away because you don't have an argument.

If you can't see that, you're in denial. It's not up for interpretation, there's no room for your precious "conjecture" it's just plain facts.

That the sort of condensation you mean?

By using words like attempting you're suggesting that no one has provded a solid counter argument and that you don't care about anything but your own opinions.

True, I don't think anyone has made a solid counter argument on this topic, and that is my right to believe that. Since when is that against the rules?

This not only makes people dismiss your opinions, but will casue them to lose repect for you as well.

If these are the people who cannot provide good arguments in a discussion then these are people I don't really care about in the first place.

I'm not going to lie and say I think a good opposing argument has been made. Especially when I was told by one person that there was no interpretation and if I cannot accept that I'm in denial.

You think I want respect from someone like that?

This is just about the most ridiculous and totally insulting thing I have seen on here... ever.

Then you must have been living under a sheltered rock since you joined here if that's the worst thing you've ever seen on the Hype.

You yourself have said far far FAR worse.

You should be ashamed for even saying something like this.

I would if it was something to be ashamed of.

 

[Alex Logan]

Get it straight. The Dark Knight Rises is a Great film obscured by the fact that it exists within the pantheon of the greatest comic/hero trilogy ever made and following one of the greatest Films/Scripts/Performances to grace the silver screen. Context/Expectations are everything and it was easy to be disappointed in TDKR, for all the things we imagined and hoped it would be... I was greatly so on my first viewing, but after having seen it 6 times I understand what it IS more... I love it for what it IS irregardless of the MASTERPIECENESS of the film that came before it.

That's the real problem here, some people just can't see it that way.

 

[The Joker]

Get it straight. The Dark Knight Rises is a Great film

I stopped reading here. What if someone does not think it is a great movie. What if they believe it's average or poor? What have they got to "get straight" exactly?

Alex, is this not the most insulting thing you've read, too? Of course not. It's because you agree with it that's why it's ok to you.

 

[BaleISBatman4ev]

I stopped reading here. What if someone does not think it is a great movie. What if they believe it's average or poor? What have they got to "get straight" exactly?

Alex, is this not the most insulting thing you've read, too? Of course not. It's because you agree with it that's why it's ok to you.

Because by most systems with which we judge films as a society it has been deemed a great film across the board. It's in the top 10 of the best reviewed flicks of the year and could very well garner a few oscar nods. Does that mean it's perfect or everyone agrees it is great... NO. And i respect that. Not everyone loves The Dark Knight, there are always naysayers and people who flat out dont "get it", they aren't wrong but they definitely aren't in the majority and they certainly aren't right.

 

[Fudgie]

It's right here in full color and you still need it explained. Amazing.

I don't need anything explained. I see it for what it is. You don't.

 

[The Joker]

Because by most systems with which we judge films as a society it has been deemed a great film across the board. It's in the top 10 of the best reviewed flicks of the year and could very well garner a few oscar nods. Does that mean it's perfect or everyone agrees it is great... NO. And i respect that.

So your measuring stick for a great movie is the critical response and the box office. There's no bad movies you can think of that made a lot of money and the critics liked?

Conversely you can't think of any great movies that didn't do well at the box office and critics panned?

Not everyone loves The Dark Knight, there are always naysayers and people who flat out dont "get it", they aren't wrong but they definitely aren't in the majority and they certainly aren't right.

You say they aren't wrong, then say they aren't right. So what are they?

You can't be right or wrong when it comes to something like an opinion on how good or bad a movie is. Now if you were talking about opinions like this: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/23/the-dark-knight-rises-may-be-worst-film-ever-made/

I could understand your stance.

 

[Caboose]

This is just about the most ridiculous and totally insulting thing I have seen on here... ever. You should be ashamed for even saying something like this.

 

[TheBat812]

I just think it's frustrating that small things like the Dent Act not being explained enough even though there's plenty of hinted stuff, or Bane's perceived lack of motivation, even though it's hinted of, or even some of the perceived lack of thematic continuity detracts the film from the incredible amount of great things the film does do and strives to do. There is just so much more positive than negative. The film is certainly not perfect, but I don't see why Joker can't just at some point see that what we're saying is totally within the possibilities of what was presented to us in TDKR. Not saying you have to agree, but it would be nice if you/they could at least recognize the possibility instead of acting like we're all crazy and basing our analyses on nothing. It just seems like you're being stubborn and trying to win an unwinnable argument. Let's just agree to disagree. I can see why there might be enough evidence for you, but for us there is. No need for animosity.

 

[BaleISBatman4ev]

My point is that YES an opinion cant ever really be perceived as right or wrong. But when the majority of the people are saying one thing, and the closest things to a factual test on a films greatness all weigh heavily in your favor... you're probably closer to being "right" than the naysayers.

 

[Fudgie]

My point is that YES an opinion cant ever really be perceived as right or wrong. But when the majority of the people are saying one thing, and the closest things to a factual test on a films greatness all weigh heavily in your favor... you're probably closer to being "right" than the naysayers.

Who's the majority of people? Fanboys on message boards? Look what you get when you Google The Dark Knight rises sucks:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugex...e95fef4679c5b3&bpcl=35466521&biw=1600&bih=754

It's easy to find hate on this movie. Too easy actually.

 

[Brain Damage]

My point is that YES an opinion cant ever really be perceived as right or wrong. But when the majority of the people are saying one thing, and the closest things to a factual test on a films greatness all weigh heavily in your favor... you're probably closer to being "right" than the naysayers.

There is no such thing as being right in liking or disliking a movie.
There is such a thing as being able to clearly explain what you like and dislike about a movie, but it has nothing to do with what the general consensus
about it is.

 

[shauner111]

I dont agree with how he worded it, so ill give that to you Joker. It's not necessary to "get it straight", people can hate it all they want. I love it myself and dont understand the haters but it is their choice.

And Joker dont take my quotes out of context so you can feel better about your argument. You bloody well know what the topic was...it wasn't a general statement. "THIS was a war in the truest sense. 1 army versus another army. If you can't see that, you're in denial" -that's what i wrote. And i stick by this. How the hell is that up for interpretation? If you dont know it, then you obviously watched a different movie than i did.

Also when you're speaking to Logan, etc. Don't act like you're Mr. Purity around here because you're one of the most sarcastic and obstinate people on this entire board. You've said things in the past where it's obvious that ur talking down to them. So dont try to paint some different picture of yourself. It's not gonna work with me i can tell you that.

We're all guilty of saying ridiculous things. Im not saying that you're telling people how pure you are, but the way you say "why would i want respect from someone like that?" as if you're entitled to some respect. Get over yourself.

The Guard has plenty of things he says that i dont agree with but he's a lot more civil than you are.

But yes, not everybody has to love the movie. It's fine. I'm not 9 years old, i can live with that. And almost everything is up for interpretation, but is there a war? and is Batmans back up against a wall? That's when facts are just facts. Which is what you're all about Joker right? Facts and what we see in the movie.

 

[The Joker]

My point is that YES an opinion cant ever really be perceived as right or wrong.

Good. So there's nothing to "get straight" about it being a great movie is there.

But when the majority of the people are saying one thing, and the closest things to a factual test on a films greatness all weigh heavily in your favor... you're probably closer to being "right" than the naysayers.

But is the majority of people saying it? There was never such a divided opinion on BB or TDK like there is for TDKR.

And Joker dont take my quotes out of context so you can feel better about you're argument.

I didn't do that, and don't need to. Nearly every post you make is fodder to prove you're the essence of condensation when someone disagrees with you.

Here's another one of your most recent gems:

Ughh here we go again. When Batman says war, he means war. Do you need your hand held so you can understand what that means a little more?? Jesus.

Should I go dig up some more to prove my point?

You bloody well know what the topic was...it wasn't a general statement.

I never said it was a general statement. I said that was your attitude. What difference does it make to being a general statement or not?

"THIS was a war in the truest sense. 1 army versus another army. If you can't see that, you're in denial" -that's what i wrote. And i stick by this. How the hell is that up for interpretation? If you dont know it, then you obviously watched a different movie than i did.

We were not talking about that. We were talking about the general use of the term war, and how it was used to describe the state of affairs in TDK and Gordon's status as a war hero.

Should I go and dig up that post, too?

Also when you're speaking to Logan, etc. Don't act like you're Mr. Purity around here because you're one of the most sarcastic and obstinate people on this entire board.

I am Mr. Purity. I've never been banned, put on probation, given an infraction, not even been given so much as a verbal warning in my 9 years of membership on this forum.

Your opinion of me doesn't mean a thing because you are everything you're falsely accusing me of.

You've said things in the past where it's obvious that ur talking down to them. So dont try to paint some different picture of yourself. It's not gonna work with me i can tell you that.

You're clearly confusing yourself with someone who's opinion I care about.

We're all guilty of saying ridiculous things. Im not saying that you're telling people how pure you are, but the way you say "why would i want respect from someone like that?" as if you're entitled to some respect. Get over yourself.

I am entitled to respect, and I know I have it from the people whom I think are people who are worth getting respect from. You are not one of them, because you do not conduct yourself in a respectful manner. Neither does Alex Logan.

If you really believe what you're saying then I urge you to contact a moderator and have them step in to read these posts.

The Guard has plenty of things he says that i dont agree with but he's a lot more civil than you are.

Batlobsterrises says things I don't agree with, but he's a lot more civil than you are.

There's a reason why Nolan fans have a bad rep, and it's the kind of prickly attitude you and a couple of others here have. You get angry, frustrated, upset, and condescending when criticisms come thick and fast against the movie.

But yes, not everybody has to love the movie. It's fine. I'm not 9 years old, i can live with that. And almost everything is up for interpretation, but is there a war? and is Batmans back up against a wall? That's when facts are just facts. Which is what you're all about Joker right? Facts and what we see in the movie.

That is a fact, one I did not dispute.

 

[Alex Logan]

I don't need anything explained. I see it for what it is. You don't.

Thank you for telling me what I don't know.

 

[shauner111]

I am Mr. Purity. I've never been banned, put on probation, given an infraction, not even been given so much as a verbal warning in my 9 years of membership on this forum.

LOL right. It's never too late i guess.

Your opinion of me doesn't mean a thing because you are everything you're falsely accusing me of.

The difference is i agree with this. Im not calling myself Mr. Purity. I AM sarcastic and i can be a prick (actually only on these topics it comes out of me) but im not obstinate. I admit it but you think too highly of yourself to do the same, it seems.

You're clearly confusing yourself with someone who's opinion I care about.

Good defense, exactly my point. You know im right, so you make an ignorant comment like this one.

That is a fact, one I did not dispute.

K awesome then.

 

[The Joker]

LOL right. It's never too late i guess.

Trust me, I've encountered a lot worse than this in my 9 years here. If they couldn't get me to break the rules then you certainly can't. Trust me on that one.

I still say if you feel I or anyone else here is being out of line then report it to a moderator.

The difference is i agree with this. Im not calling myself Mr. Purity. I AM sarcastic and i can be a prick (actually only on these topics it comes out of me) but im not obstinate. I admit it but you think too highly of yourself to do the same, it seems.

Why should I admit to something I don't agree with? Would you?

I can be friendly sarcastic, but I don't use sarcasm to make an argument like you're suggesting. I'm certainly not obstinate. If I think someone has made a good point or argument, I'll say so. Credit where it's due.

Good defense, exactly my point. You know im right, so you make an ignorant comment like this one.

Ignorant in what way? You make some statement about me trying to con you into believing I'm something I'm not. Shauner, I say this to you hand on heart; what you think of me is not something I care about.

You are just a nameless, faceless stranger on the internet who gets upset at me and others when TDKR gets criticized by them. In what way is my response to not caring about what you think of me personally an ignorant one? I'm not saying it to try and hurt you or something. It's the truth. Through and through.

 

[Dark Knight]

Ughh here we go again. When Batman says war, he means war. Do you need your hand held so you can understand what that means a little more?? Jesus. Use your heads people, there's millions of people's lives at stake versus a truck driver who is driving a truck with a bomb inside that's ready to dismantle said 'millions of people'. Are you really going to argue that Batman is contradicting his morals when he kills the driver!?

Good lord almighty. The ones who complain about too much exposition always turn around and complain some more when something wasn't spelled out for them, when it's just not needed.

Did you need Batman to have a scene where he growls:

"War...Which means...my code is put to the side...i never kill....but this is an exception because there's a bomb that can't go off....i have to stop that bomb from killing millions....so i have to put my code to the side for now....because the bomb..."
Gordon "...OK shut up Batman we get it, just go get the bomb, you said WAR, i understand what that means".

Batman would feel extremely guilty taking a life if he could lock them up in Blackgate or Arkham instead. But in this case Batman would go to sleep regretting a whole lot more if he didn't save millions because he chose not to kill a couple of Bane's men. Heck, he wouldnt even be alive to feel that regret. Talk about nitpicking to the extreme....

Yep. That's why fanboys in general along with this site has a bad reputation.

 

[Brain Damage]

Some of the hostility amongst fans honestly repulses me.
I envy the pre-internet geeks who were respectful and courteous with each other and weren't hell bent on always proving that they're opinion is the right one.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Some of the hostility amongst fans honestly repulses me.
I envy the pre-internet geeks who were respectful and courteous with each other and weren't hell bent on always proving that they're opinion is the right one.

That's because they usually talked to each other face to face, or even if they didn't their identity on some level was known to whomever they were conversing with (via telephone or letter or whatever). The anonymity of the Internet lets us vent off whatever we want without having to worry about fixing our dentures afterwords. On the other hand, it also allows us to be more honest in our assessments of art. So: pros and cons.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

That's because they usually talked to each other face to face, or even if they didn't their identity on some level was known to whomever they were conversing with (via telephone or letter or whatever). The anonymity of the Internet lets us vent off whatever we want without having to worry about fixing our dentures afterwords. On the other hand, it also allows us to be more belligerent in our assessments of art. So: pros and cons.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Travesty]

Some of the hostility amongst fans honestly repulses me.
I envy the pre-internet geeks who were respectful and courteous with each other and weren't hell bent on always proving that they're opinion is the right one.

Sounds like you've never stepped foot in a comic book shop before.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I enjoy this "Batman says '**** it' moment."

Spoiler

 

[Brain Damage]

Sounds like you've never stepped foot in a comic book shop before.

I have, and I've had an argument or two in them, but they were always respectful and never turned hostile.

I'm sure there's ****tards everywhere