The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 142

[Reek]

Also, when he escapes why throw the ropes down for everyone to escape? Were they wrongfully held? I thought everyone outside of Bruce was there for a reason.

he probably did it because that is a ****ed up prison. lol

 

[JackWhite]

Even that I find a little silly. Why is he standing on a tower outside the city? I'm just trying to make sense out that scene. Did he drive all the way out, just to climb a tower, gaze upon the city, then climb back down and return? If he happened to prowl the rooftops and then stopped at the edge of a building, to gaze upon the city, ok.

lol, c'mon guys. Isn't this beyond nit picking now? Batman has been known to prowl on rooftops and perch on top of gargoyles. He's had the same type of shots in the last two films.

 

[Nathan]

lol, c'mon guys. Isn't this beyond nit picking now? Batman has been known to prowl on rooftops and perch on top of gargoyles. He's had the same type of shots in the last two films.

Yes, and as I've written in the post you've quoted, that would have been ok. Prowling rooftops, standing on top of gargoyles, while he's making sure the city is safe. But why is he outside the city, somewhere on a tower? It's not a spot to conveniently get to. He must have driven outside the city, climbed a large tower, gazed upon the city, climbed back down and drove back in. It just doesn't feel like a natural moment when you think about it.

 

[JackWhite]

Yes, and as I've written in the post you've quoted, that would have been ok. Prowling rooftops, standing on top of gargoyles, while he's making sure the city is safe. But why is he outside the city, somewhere on a tower? It's not a spot to conveniently get to. He must have driven outside the city, climbed a large tower, gazed upon the city, climbed back down and drove back in. It just doesn't feel like a natural moment when you think about it.

Yeah, I read all of that. I just don't see the reason of even pointing it out, lol. But I do get where you are coming from.

 

[BlueLightning]

Yes, and as I've written in the post you've quoted, that would have been ok. Prowling rooftops, standing on top of gargoyles, while he's making sure the city is safe. But why is he outside the city, somewhere on a tower? It's not a spot to conveniently get to. He must have driven outside the city, climbed a large tower, gazed upon the city, climbed back down and drove back in. It just doesn't feel like a natural moment when you think about it.

If I were Batman, and had a sweet air vehicle, and have been missing out the incredible view of Gotham for eight years, I'll do the same.

 

[Sull]

Also, when he escapes why throw the ropes down for everyone to escape? Were they wrongfully held? I thought everyone outside of Bruce was there for a reason.

I think its there just to show a) how hard it is to get out, the initial cimb is not the difficult part, it further up that is hard

and b) that the hope is needed, you can see outside you can almost touch it, you can keep trying, but ultimately what u require is more than just a rope attached it is the physical and mental strength you need

 

[BlueLightning]

Also, when he escapes why throw the ropes down for everyone to escape? Were they wrongfully held? I thought everyone outside of Bruce was there for a reason.

That was no longer a "normal" prison... it was Bane's.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Theres an insane amount of nitpicking in here, you can tell the Blu-ray was released a few days ago.

 

[C. Lee]

And a terrorist can easily wire a major city's main hospital (which is open 24/7, obviously) with enough explosives to take the entire building down with one ignition. Without being seen.

Apparently you didn't know....I was not a big fan of TDK...you just pointed out one of the things I thought was wrong with that movie.

To me...BB was near perfect....and the movies went down in quality after that.

But....I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade...I have given my impressions of the movie in here....and will now move on. If anyone wants to discuss it in Pms, you are welcome, but I won't continue in here and upset the fans of the movie.

 

[JackWhite]

Apparently you didn't know....I was not a big fan of TDK...you just pointed out one of the things I thought was wrong with that movie.

To me...BB was near perfect....and the movies went down in quality after that.

But....I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade...I have given my impressions of the movie in here....and will now move on. If anyone wants to discuss it in Pms, you are welcome, but I won't continue in here and upset the fans of the movie.

Speaking of BB, the only problem I have with it is the third act. It doesn't fall apart or anything, but compared to TDK and TDKR finale's, it just feels very "action by numbers". Fear, fear, fear aside, if the third act was more up to snuff I'd definitely consider it a flawless film. And by flawless, I mean nit picks not withstanding.

BB FTW!

 

[kvz5]

Also, when he escapes why throw the ropes down for everyone to escape? Were they wrongfully held? I thought everyone outside of Bruce was there for a reason.

Because they're nice and very supportive!

Well, those were prisoners of Bane so they're probably just people who pissed him off or were on the way of his plans so they're most likely innocents?

Speaking of BB, the only problem I have with it is the third act. It doesn't fall apart or anything, but compared to TDK and TDKR finale's, it just feels very "action by numbers". Fear, fear, fear aside, if the third act was more up to snuff I'd definitely consider it a flawless film. And by flawless, I mean nit picks not withstanding.

BB FTW!

Even after multiple rewatching, my ranking still remains the same:

BB
TDK
TDKR

 

[redfirebird2008]

Because they're nice and very supportive!

Well, those were prisoners of Bane so they're probably just people who pissed him off or were on the way of his plans so they're most likely innocents?





Even after multiple rewatching, my ranking still remains the same:

BB
TDK
TDKR

For me it's...

BB
TDKR
TDK

Really dislike how Joker-centric TDK is. Even the freaking Blu-ray cover is the Joker instead of Batman. Pisses me off and I am a big fan of Ledger's Joker.

 

[kvz5]

For me it's...

BB
TDKR
TDK

Really dislike how Joker-centric TDK is. Even the freaking Blu-ray cover is the Joker instead of Batman. Pisses me off and I am a big fan of Ledger's Joker.

I'm all about BB but watching TDKR gave me new appreciation for TDK in terms of execution, writing, pacing, and the tightness of the script so that's why I'd give the edge to TDK. I do LOVE certain things in TDKR and I'd put those at the upper half of my favorite things in the trilogy like overall acting of the entire cast, being more Bruce-centric, Batman/Catwoman dynamic, etc. But TDKR is also the movie among the 3 that I dislike the most things.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Also, when he escapes why throw the ropes down for everyone to escape? Were they wrongfully held? I thought everyone outside of Bruce was there for a reason.

Seeing as how the League views what's right and wrong, I think it's best to assume everyone down in the Pit was wrongfully accused.

 

[The Joker]

Really dislike how Joker-centric TDK is. Even the freaking Blu-ray cover is the Joker instead of Batman. Pisses me off and I am a big fan of Ledger's Joker.

One of the blu-ray covers has Joker on it. The other two have Batman;

but watching TDKR gave me new appreciation for TDK in terms of execution, writing, pacing, and the tightness of the script so that's why I'd give the edge to TDK. I do LOVE certain things in TDKR and I'd put those at the upper half of my favorite things in the trilogy like overall acting of the entire cast, being more Bruce-centric, Batman/Catwoman dynamic, etc. But TDKR is also the movie among the 3 that I dislike the most things.

Same as myself. After watching TDKR it made me see how much better the first two movies were done.

I rank them;

TDK
BB
TDKR

 

[kvz5]

Seeing as how the League views what's right and wrong, I think it's best to assume everyone down in the Pit was wrongfully accused.

That's how I interpreted it.

And I suppose (assuming some are not innocent which I doubt) it's also to show Bruce's character in that he sees good in people and he figured that they deserve a 2nd chance in life.

 

[Anita18]

Apparently you didn't know....I was not a big fan of TDK...you just pointed out one of the things I thought was wrong with that movie.

To me...BB was near perfect....and the movies went down in quality after that.

But....I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade...I have given my impressions of the movie in here....and will now move on. If anyone wants to discuss it in Pms, you are welcome, but I won't continue in here and upset the fans of the movie.

Ah well, you don't normally poke your head in here aside from keeping us in line, so I'd forgotten.

For me BB was still too formulaic comic-booky and I really appreciate the real-world connotations and the immediacy of TDK and TDKR. But all three are really quite good, so it's just personal preference from this point.

 

[Anita18]

That's how I interpreted it.

And I suppose (assuming some are not innocent which I doubt) it's also to show Bruce's character in that he sees good in people and he figured that they deserve a 2nd chance in life.

In BB, he lived with the criminals but never became one of them. In TDKR, he lived with the criminals (or well, what Bane considered criminals) and he allowed them to help him.

Or rather, the criminals he was associating himself with either acted out of desperation (stole food so they wouldn't starve) or were really out for themselves, like the gang who was stealing WE stuff. In the pit he discovered real friendship and kindness. I mean, that prisoner really didn't HAVE to go and fix his back.

But maybe he was just sick and tired of having to baby Bruce all the damn time.

 

[kvz5]

Same as myself. After watching TDKR it made me see how much better the first two movies were done.

Yup. Watching all 3 so close together (I watched BB and TDK the day before watching TDKR) made it easier for me to see the differences (and similarities) among the 3. TDK benefitted the most because I developed more appreciation for it.

In BB, he lived with the criminals but never became one of them. In TDKR, he lived with the criminals (or well, what Bane considered criminals) and he allowed them to help him.

Nice connection.

Plus, he owes them after he destroyed their TV.

 

[the last son]

Agree with C. Lee that everything went down from film to film. Begins was brilliant. TDK was darn good. And TDKR was ok.

 

[redfirebird2008]

One of the blu-ray covers has Joker on it. The other two have Batman;

Same as myself. After watching TDKR it made me see how much better the first two movies were done.

I rank them;

TDK
BB
TDKR

The second one you posted wasn't released in the U.S., or at least it wasn't when I bought the film in December 2008. The first one you posted is the slipcover of the one I bought. So they gave us a slipcover with the worst poster ever and then the actual cover art was the Joker. I threw away the slip cover because I hate that Batpod poster. I wish the actual cover art was the second one you posted (I love that particular Batman poster), but instead it's the Joker.

Then they gave us a limited number of special features and a harshly manipulated transfer (Edge Enhancement out the wazoo, some DNR, and altered color timing). Just a bad release all the way around. I hope they give the film a new transfer for the UCE trilogy next year, and I hope to hell the trilogy cover art is just Batman.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I have the Batman in front of the burning symbol for TDK. It looks beautiful.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I don't like slipcovers in general. It just adds another step between finding the movie on the shelf and then putting the disc in the machine, and you have worry about damaging the slipcover because it's some flimsy cardboard. The TDKR Blu-ray doesn't automatically play the movie like the Blu-ray disc for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight either, adding more time to get to the movie. People with the (legal) digital-only versions at least don't have to put up with any of this though they get inferior quality.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I have the Batman in front of the burning symbol for TDK. It looks beautiful.

Given Ledger's nationality, it figures that you Aussies got a Batman cover and we got stuck with a Joker cover.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Given Ledger's nationality, it figures that you Aussies got a Batman cover and we got stuck with a Joker cover.

The DVD had Ledger on the front