shauner111
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I can understand that opinion for TDK but not TDKR. He was the main guy. It was his story.
Absolutely.I can understand that opinion for TDK but not TDKR. He was the main guy. It was his story.
To be fair...some people would say the same thing about Bale in TDK/TDKR.
To be fair...some people would say the same thing about Bale in TDK/TDKR.
Yeah it's too bad, i would have liked a third movie where it was all about Bruce Wayne. Maybe bringing Dick Grayson into it like in Forever but not as campy and keeping with the dark element of the first two. All the stuff we saw in Forever (especially the deleted scenes) where Bruce confronts his fears in the cave would have been awesome with Keaton.I know, but it doesn't make sense, because he's still the main guy and has lots to do in both. The stories are revolving around Batman. TDK is all about the consequences of Batman on Gotham. TDKR is about his rise back to being Batman. If they mean his performance is overshadowed by the villains then that's subjective. Understandable but subjective.
Whereas with Keaton's Batman, neither movie is focused on his Batman or Bruce Wayne. The villains are carrying the story. He really doesn't get much to do.
I know, but it doesn't make sense, because he's still the main guy and has lots to do in both. The stories are revolving around Batman. TDK is all about the consequences of Batman on Gotham. TDKR is about his rise back to being Batman. If they mean his performance is overshadowed by the villains then that's subjective. Understandable but subjective.
Whereas with Keaton's Batman, neither movie is focused on his Batman or Bruce Wayne. The villains are carrying the story. He really doesn't get much to do.
I can understand that opinion for TDK but not TDKR. He was the main guy. It was his story.
Very underrated.
Too many people who don't know much about acting think that the loudest performances steal the show or should be rewarded. The quiet, subtle performances should be recognized. Sometimes more. I always say to people watch Tarantino's Jackie Brown for Deniro's super quiet & subtle performance where you dont hear much dialogue out of Louis but it's all in his expressions. You can see what he's feeling. Most would just compliment the likes of Sam Jackson, Pam Grier, Michael Keaton, etc in that movie (who are all great), but Deniro does something special. Now i dont think Bale's nuance was that great in comparison, but it's still my point that he was just as awesome as the other actors.
Bale did a great job as Bruce Wayne in TDK even though he didnt "steal the show" like Heath or Aaron Eckhart, or even Gary Oldman.
I can see how it may come across that way, but it's not the case for me. I dont see Bale being bored at all. That's just Bruce Wayne. I look at it as a city story, as do the filmmakers. Not a story about Joker or Harvey, even though you can say it's much more about Dent in comparison. It's a Gotham City story.
The movie is perfect the way it is IMO, so i cant say it needed to be more about Bruce. It was still about Bruce at the end of the day though and Batman. Perhaps more about Batman this time around while the films that bookended the entire trilogy were more about Bruce. And it still ends on a Batman-note, which makes it more of a "Batman film" than Batman Returns which begins with Penguin & ends with Catwoman.
I dont see how you can say as matter of factly "it's simply because he felt bored half the time". How do you know that? I seriously doubt it.
I disagree with that. That's the way Bruce is when he's completely in batman obsession mode, even as Bruce in private. TDK was when he was most sucked into the persona. Monotone or cold is just Bruce Wayne. But are you going to tell me that his billionaire playboy was boring in that movie? That's just weird if you say yes, because he was extremely charismatic.I'm not stating I think he was actually bored, merely that his performance is boring for the most part. He just gives a lazy show imo. Almost everything out of the Batsuit he just kinda dully drops out of his mouth. There is a monotone delivery in his lines he doesn't really have in BB or TDKR.
That's because Batman is the celestial body that everyone revolves around. He's the rock, and the catalyst for everything that happens in the film. That by default makes him kind of boring compared to everyone else, because he's the stationary characterization.Between the Nolans admitting that they wrote Harvey as the protagonist of TDK and Ledger's performance, I can see why people think TDK isn't Batman's movie, even though it ultimately is.
Either way, The Nolan trilogy showed me that you can make the films revolve around Bruce, and people will still rave about the villains instead. I think the upcoming Batman vs Superman film will possibly be one of the occasions where people talk about Batman instead of the villain when the walk out of the theatre.
Oh man, me too! I always go back to this score. It's so dark but emotional.I still haven't stopped listening to the score of this movie regularly. It's just so amazingly dark and brutal, yet inspirational. Imagine the Fire is probably my favorite cue Zimmer has ever done, and that's saying a lot cause I enjoy a lot of his work. Sends a chill down my spine every time.
I still haven't stopped listening to the score of this movie regularly. It's just so amazingly dark and brutal, yet inspirational. Imagine the Fire is probably my favorite cue Zimmer has ever done, and that's saying a lot cause I enjoy a lot of his work. Sends a chill down my spine every time.
Same here.Oh man, me too! I always go back to this score. It's so dark but emotional.
Same here.
The first couple minutes of Imagine the Fire and the first 3:30 of No Stone Unturned are so high-octane and emotionally riveting.
My favorite stretch of music has to be the moment when the bridge blows in the climax. The fast-paced music picks up, then we cut to Batman and Lucius telling him he has 10 minutes to divert the bomb to his location. Then of course that part when Batman guides the missile into the tumbler, and the notes keep increasing and elevating in intensity to the point when the Bat is firing at the truck.
Just pure energy for me. Utterly overwhelming and unforgettable.
I still think the whole Bruce and Fox meeting that goes into the Hong Kong sequence is still alot of Batman. It might be related to the mob
It might be related to the mob but stuff like that never really happened with say...Batman Returns.