The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - Part 154

[BatLobster]

 

[The Joker]

‘The Dark Knight,’ ‘Star Wars’ and More Make BBC’s List of 100 Greatest American Films

Everyone now and then, someone takes the time to round up a new list of 100 of the greatest films of all time, and it always stirs up some debate, even though probably 75% of the list is the same as any other. A new list from BBC Culture, however, is a little different, because the news organization from across the pond has rounded up a list of the 100 Greatest American Films, as voted on by an international assembly of film critics.

Some of your favorites like The Dark Knight, Star Wars, Back to the Future and Jaws made the cut, but there are only two films from the past five years, and only five total from the 21st century.

If you’re curious as to how the list was compiled, BBC Culture polled 62 international film critics, ranging from daily newspaper reviewers, magazine critics, bloggers and broadcasters to authors of book-length academic criticism. Each critic was asked to submit a Top 10 list, and the Top 100 was calculated using a point system giving 10 points for a #1 pick down to 1 point for a #10 pick.

100. Ace in the Hole (Billy Wilder, 1951)
99. 12 Years a Slave (Steve McQueen, 2013)
98. Heaven’s Gate (Michael Cimino, 1980)
97. Gone With the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939)
96. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)
95. Duck Soup (Leo McCarey, 1933)
94. 25th Hour (Spike Lee, 2002)
93. Mean Streets (Martin Scorsese, 1973)
92. The Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton, 1955)
91. ET: The Extra-Terrestrial (Steven Spielberg, 1982)
90. Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979)
89. In a Lonely Place (Nicholas Ray, 1950)
88. West Side Story (Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins, 1961)
87. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)
86. The Lion King (Roger Allers and Rob Minkoff, 1994)
85. Night of the Living Dead (George A Romero, 1968)
84. Deliverance (John Boorman, 1972)
83. Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks, 1938)
82. Raiders of the Lost Ark (Steven Spielberg, 1981)
81. Thelma & Louise (Ridley Scott, 1991)
80. Meet Me in St Louis (Vincente Minnelli, 1944)
79. The Tree of Life (Terrence Malick, 2011)
78. Schindler’s List (Steven Spielberg, 1993)
77. Stagecoach (John Ford, 1939)
76. The Empire Strikes Back (Irvin Kershner, 1980)
75. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Steven Spielberg, 1977)
74. Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994)
73. Network (Sidney Lumet, 1976)
72. The Shanghai Gesture (Josef von Sternberg, 1941)
71. Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993)
70. The Band Wagon (Vincente Minnelli, 1953)
69. Koyaanisqatsi (Godfrey Reggio, 1982)
68. Notorious (Alfred Hitchcock, 1946)
67. Modern Times (Charlie Chaplin, 1936)
66. Red River (Howard Hawks, 1948)
65. The Right Stuff (Philip Kaufman, 1965)
64. Johnny Guitar (Nicholas Ray, 1954)
63. Love Streams (John Cassavetes, 1984)
62. The Shining (Stanley Kubrick, 1980)
61. Eyes Wide Shut (Stanley Kubrick, 1999)
60. Blue Velvet (David Lynch, 1986)
59. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (Miloš Forman, 1975)
58. The Shop Around the Corner (Ernst Lubitsch, 1940)
57. Crimes and Misdemeanors (Woody Allen, 1989)
56. Back to the Future (Robert Zemeckis, 1985)
55. The Graduate (Mike Nichols, 1967)
54. Sunset Boulevard (Billy Wilder, 1950)
53. Grey Gardens (Albert and David Maysles, Ellen Hovde and Muffie Meyer, 1975)
52. The Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah, 1969)
51. Touch of Evil (Orson Welles, 1958)
50. His Girl Friday (Howard Hawks, 1940)
49. Days of Heaven (Terrence Malick, 1978)
48. A Place in the Sun (George Stevens, 1951)
47. Marnie (Alfred Hitchcock, 1964)
46. It’s a Wonderful Life (Frank Capra, 1946)
45. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (John Ford, 1962)
44. Sherlock Jr (Buster Keaton, 1924)
43. Letter from an Unknown Woman (Max Ophüls, 1948)
42. Dr Strangelove (Stanley Kubrick, 1964)
41. Rio Bravo (Howard Hawks, 1959)
40. Meshes of the Afternoon (Maya Deren and Alexander Hammid, 1943)
39. The Birth of a Nation (DW Griffith, 1915)
38. Jaws (Steven Spielberg, 1975)
37. Imitation of Life (Douglas Sirk, 1959)
36. Star Wars (George Lucas, 1977)
35. Double Indemnity (Billy Wilder, 1944)
34. The Wizard of Oz (Victor Fleming, 1939)
33. The Conversation (Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)
32. The Lady Eve (Preston Sturges, 1941)
31. A Woman Under the Influence (John Cassavetes, 1974)
30. Some Like It Hot (Billy Wilder, 1959)
29. Raging Bull (Martin Scorsese, 1980)
28. Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino, 1994)
27. Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick, 1975)
26. Killer of Sheep (Charles Burnett, 1978)
25. Do the Right Thing (Spike Lee, 1989)
24. The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960)
23. Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977)
22. Greed (Erich von Stroheim, 1924)
21. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
20. Goodfellas (Martin Scorsese, 1990)
19. Taxi Driver (Martin Scorsese, 1976)
18. City Lights (Charlie Chaplin, 1931)
17. The Gold Rush (Charlie Chaplin, 1925)
16. McCabe & Mrs Miller (Robert Altman, 1971)
15. The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946)
14. Nashville (Robert Altman, 1975)
13. North by Northwest (Alfred Hitchcock, 1959)
12. Chinatown (Roman Polanski, 1974)
11. The Magnificent Ambersons (Orson Welles, 1942)
10. The Godfather Part II (Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)
9. Casablanca (Michael Curtiz, 1942)
8. Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960)
7. Singin’ in the Rain (Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly, 1952)
6. Sunrise (FW Murnau, 1927)
5. The Searchers (John Ford, 1956)
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
3. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958)
2. The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972)
1. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941)

The criteria for a film to be eligible was that it had to be made by a US studio or funded in some way from an American source in order to be considered an American film. The director of the movie did not have to be from the United States (32 of them on the list aren’t) and the movie did not need to be made in America either.

http://www.slashfilm.com/bbcs-100-greatest-american-films/

 

[Travesty]

BTTF needs to be higher than 56.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

BTTF needs to be higher than 56.

Agreed.

Raiders of the Lost Ark should arguably be much higher as well.

 

[The Joker]

The Dark Knight's greatness just keeps on enduring. Judging by next month's issue of Empire which is showing the voted results for the top 100 movie characters, Ledger's Joker is going to be making the list;

I look forward to that.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Where's Bond?

 

[The Joker]

I'm sure he'll be there. They're not going to put all 100 characters on the cover.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yet they choose to put Loki on the cover. Meh!

 

[The Joker]

The millions of Marvel fans won't be saying meh.

 

[The Joker]

Oh the results were released yesterday. As usual it was based on votes in the thousands from the public. Ledger's Joker got the number 6 spot t:

http://www.empireonline.com/features/100greatestcharacters/p19

Hardy's Bane got the 83rd spot. Pleasant surprise. Don't worry, Tactic Ronin, Bond scored a worthy 2nd place. And Trav, Marty McFly got the 12th spot and Doc Brown got the 20th spot.

 

[shauner111]

Where the hell is Tuco from The Good, The Bad and the Ugly?

 

[Snow Queen]

Oh the results were released yesterday. As usual it was based on votes in the thousands from the public. Ledger's Joker got the number 6 spot t:

http://www.empireonline.com/features/100greatestcharacters/p19

Hardy's Bane got the 83rd spot. Pleasant surprise. Don't worry, Tactic Ronin, Bond scored a worthy 2nd place. And Trav, Marty McFly got the 12th spot and Doc Brown got the 20th spot.

But I read in another thread that Hardy's Bane wasn't memorable and people didn't like him.

 

[The Joker]

But I read in another thread that Hardy's Bane wasn't memorable and people didn't like him.

Egg always looks best on the face of ignorance like that.

 

[The Batman]

I cant believe you guys failed to mention that Batman is number 4 on that list.

I was about to fly into a rage because I thought he got omitted, but yup, he's the highest ranked superhero, and I'm actually amazed he ranked higher than Joker.

 

[JackWhite]

Cool that Bale's Batman got the "defining moment" on that list. And props to Gotham's reckoning for getting a spot on the list too.

 

[JackWhite]

I cant believe you guys failed to mention that Batman is number 4 on that list.

I was about to fly into a rage because I thought he got omitted, but yup, he's the highest ranked superhero, and I'm actually amazed he ranked higher than Joker.

Yeah, I was questioning where exactly Bats would be on that list. Pretty cool that he was ranked ahead of the Joker.

 

[The Joker]

I cant believe you guys failed to mention that Batman is number 4 on that list.

I was about to fly into a rage because I thought he got omitted, but yup, he's the highest ranked superhero, and I'm actually amazed he ranked higher than Joker.

Sorry Batsy, but you know the Joker takes the limelight

Seriously I actually completely forgot to. Shame on me, especially since you complete me and all.

 

[antsman41]

The millions of Marvel fans won't be saying meh.

Loki was just the least bad character for Marvel...

Then, Kingpin came along and finally represented a real threat with amazing acting and storytelling in the MCU.

 

[The Joker]

Loki was just the least bad character for Marvel...

According to whom? Go say that in the Marvel forums and see the response you get. They think Loki is a great villain. Judging by this list so does a lot of the movie going public.

So that opinion is clearly not a consensus. I personally don't rate Loki as one of the greats, he's good, but not brilliant, but I know I'm in the minority on that. Same as how people like this are in the minority about other characters like Darth Vader; http://www.8daysageek.com/2012/07/the-8-most-overrated-villains/

Or James Bond; http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a16524/james-bond-hate-14306026/

Or even Marty McFly; https://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/back-to-the-future-sucks/

Just Google hate for any mega popular or iconic character, or the beloved movies they're in, and you can easily find haters. But like with Loki, they're a minority.

Then, Kingpin came along and finally represented a real threat with amazing acting and storytelling in the MCU.

If TV show Kingpin was a movie character he probably would have made the list.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think Bond should've taken the first spot. Indiana Jones is probably more loved in the states, but James Bond is certainly more known worldwide. The only characters more known than him are micky mouse and Superman.

Speaking of supes, where is he on the list?

 

[The Joker]

I just had a quick flick through. Supes didn't make the list. Not really surprised though since he hasn't had a decent movie since 1980. Considering his four successive movies since then range from bland to god awful, it wouldn't help his good name.

On a side note I am VERY happy to see Bill Finger's name being listed as one of the creators for both Batman and the Joker.

 

[The Shape]

Oh the results were released yesterday. As usual it was based on votes in the thousands from the public. Ledger's Joker got the number 6 spot t:

http://www.empireonline.com/features/100greatestcharacters/p19

To be fair, it was The Joker as a general character that got the 6th spot -- not just Ledger's Joker. The write-up cited Romero, Hamill, Nicholson, and Ledger as performers.

 

[Slade W]

Its great that Batman and Joker have gotten the recognition they deserve and are ranked so highly in the list. They are the two greatest comic characters of all time IMO.

 

[The Joker]

To be fair, it was The Joker as a general character that got the 6th spot -- not just Ledger's Joker. The write-up cited Romero, Hamill, Nicholson, and Ledger as performers.

"DEFINING MOMENT: Most votes specified Ledger’s Oscar-winning take, so we’ll go with his pencil-disappearing “magic trick”. Nasty and deeply unpredictable."

http://www.empireonline.com/features/100greatestcharacters/p19

It's Ledger's win. The others were merely mentioned as part of the fact they have also played the character in movies, but it wasn't their interpretation that won Joker the spot on this list.

Just like how on Norman Bates spot on the list they have Vince Vaughan listed as having played the character along with Anthony Perkins, but I highly doubt it was Vaughan's panned crappy rendition that got the votes to put Bates on the list. Or Jeep Swenson from B&R being listed as also having played Bane along with Hardy. Or Brian Cox and Gaspard Ulliel being listed beside Anthony Hopkins for Hannibal Lecter etc.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Go to badass digest (or not). Devin is ******** about TDK being in the list.