The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - Part 154

[ThePhantasm]

And ohh Phantasm. Pathetic would be bashing me behind my back in a section of a forum that i never go to.

Cry me a river. Boo hoo.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Michelle Pfeiffer is not even close to being the definitive Catwoman.

But for Elizabeth Olsen, she is the definitive Catwoman. Just like for millions of fans, Christopher Reeve is still the definitive Superman. People get affectionately attached to certain portrayals of a character. Its their subjective opinion, hardly ignorance.

 

[The Joker]

But for Elizabeth Olsen, she is the definitive Catwoman. Just like for millions of fans, Christopher Reeve is still the definitive Superman. People get affectionately attached to certain portrayals of a character. Its their subjective opinion, hardly ignorance.

Did I call it ignorance? No? Did I say she was entitled to her opinion? Yes. So why are you saying this stuff to me?

 

[Kane52630]

Just when I thought I couldn't love Lizzy Olsen any more.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Did I call it ignorance? No? Did I say she was entitled to her opinion? Yes. So why are you saying this stuff to me?

I didn't say that you said it was ignorance. I thought it was clear that the only part of my post that had anything to do with you was a response to the "definitive Catwoman" bit, and even that was more clarification than disagreement.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Just when I thought I couldn't love Lizzy Olsen any more.

She's hot AND she has great taste.

 

[shauner111]

Because he's just as much of a hypocrite. He can't take your opinion or mine if he doesn't agree with it, yet he'll call me out on being a hypocrite. Sounds about right. Of course, it's "cry me a river" when it's not done to you Phantasm.

But for Elizabeth Olsen, she is the definitive Catwoman. Just like for millions of fans, Christopher Reeve is still the definitive Superman. People get affectionately attached to certain portrayals of a character. Its their subjective opinion, hardly ignorance.

And this forum is like a fairytale land where everyone has to respect the others opinion even if they think it's whacky. In a real life situation, any one of us would go "i dont agree with that, you sound stupid for thinking that". It doesn't have to be serious if i think her opinion is ignorant. Doesn't mean im "right" or she's "right". I just dont agree with her, i dont care for her interviews or most of the marvel actors and the way they go out of their way to throw jabs at recent DC stuff. See, that's an opinion. You can call me a hypocrite, i dont care. We all are. I am, you are. Big deal. I think Olsen is wrong and sounding dumb for being like "they shouldnt redo her cuz Pfeiffer is the ONLY one". That's basically what she's saying. It's ridiculous. If somebody said that about Nicholson or Ledger as Joker, i would find it stupid too because Joker is bigger than any actor. I feel the same for Catwoman.

 

[The Joker]

I didn't say that you said it was ignorance. I thought it was clear that the only part of my post that had anything to do with you was a response to the "definitive Catwoman" bit, and even that was more clarification than disagreement.

I didn't need it clarified. My post makes it very clear I understood what she was saying was her opinion, which she's entitled to. So coming along and telling me it's her subjective opinion and not ignorance was totally pointless.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I didn't need it clarified. My post makes it very clear I understood what she was saying was her opinion, which she's entitled to. So coming along and telling me it's her subjective opinion and not ignorance was totally pointless.

Geez, I wasn't just telling you. I was quoting you and then adding my own thoughts to it for the rest of the forum to read. If I wanted to just talk to you alone I'd send you a PM.

Obviously you do need it clarified because you're still upset over something that wasn't about you.

 

[shauner111]

To expand on that. Everyone is so brainwashed on this forum that they're afraid to make a move. Nobody wants to say this opinion sounds dumb as f**k, because we're not allowed. It's the most unrealistic forum i've ever been to. It's like daycare.

I posted a photo with "ohhh the ignorance..." and everyone loses their minds! Or at least Phantasm and Pfeiffer. Joker disagrees with me but says she wasn't definitive, and here comes the polite police (Phantasm) giving him s**t because everything on this forum is supposed to be nice and subjective. Ummm, no. We can disagree with someones opinion, and we should be able to say it's ignorant or dumb or inaccurate. Then people should be able to discuss that and poke fun at each other instead of 1 person going "wow you're just desperate and pathetic", trying to make into a huge thing. Calling people hypocrites. Where's the fun in the forum? There is none. It's a giant gang up session at all times. Not just this section.

But hey, i dont run this forum and im sure ill be told soon that i dont run it and i should shut my mouth if i want to stay here in Adolf's lounge. Im sure my posts will be deleted too while Phantasm gets away with it.

 

[The Joker]

Geez, I wasn't just telling you. I was quoting you and then adding my own thoughts to it for the rest of the forum to read. If I wanted to just talk to you alone I'd send you a PM.

You already made it clear that it was her subjective opinion not ignorance in your previous posts when you were bashing Shauner. That's why it stood out that you quoted me and said the same thing as though I had said the opposite.

Obviously you do need it clarified because you're still upset over something that wasn't about you.

No I don't need it clarified, and questioning why you said something does not constitute me being upset.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I didn't give Joker any ****.

All I said is that when someone has an opinion, you can disagree with it without calling them "ignorant." Its called being a civilized human being and not resorting to ad hominem attacks. Basic logic and stuff.

 

[ThePhantasm]

You already made it clear that it was her subjective opinion not ignorance in your previous posts when you were bashing Shauner. That's why it stood out that you quoted me and said the same thing as though I had said the opposite.

I'm sorry my post wasn't clear... I was half disagreeing with that one thing you said, and half building on it to add to my overall argument in this discussion. However NOW I've clarified it and said it wasn't directed against you. So are we cool now or what?

 

[shauner111]

Civilized human being and not resorting to.....okaaaaaay Phantasm.

Who are we talking about here..

 

[Kane52630]

 

[shauner111]

Hahahaha Kane.

 

[The Joker]

I'm sorry my post wasn't clear... I was half disagreeing with that one thing you said, and half building on it to add to my overall argument in this discussion. However NOW I've clarified it and said it wasn't directed against you. So are we cool now or what?

It's grand. Yes we're cool. Just for future reference to avoid any more crossed wires, if I question something you've said, it doesn't mean I'm upset with you.

 

[The Shape]

Absolutely Shape, but you dont see me saying Bale is the ONLY Batman. They keep trying to redo Batman but Bale is the ONLY ONE. Boo-hoo. Bale will not be the only one that deserves to be Batman, and Keaton or Bale won't go down as the best when it's all said and done. Even if i love Bale the most.

Yeah she was good for what she had to play. But it's still not Selina Kyle. They used the name. That's nice. There can, and will be better Catwomen in the future. Pfeiffer isn't the greatest thing to walk the earth like some people think.

I mean, look at her face and read the subtitle. If it's not clear to you that it's a hyperbolic, playful comment -- along with an opinion -- from an actress who is a big Pfeiffer fan, I really don't know what to tell you.

I'm confused as to why you felt the need to not only knock down Pfeiffer but also Elizabeth Olsen herself after seeing that gif. Lighten up.

 

[shauner111]

Cuz it's fun and Pfeiffer isn't the be-all, end-all of acting or as Catwoman. Yes, that's just my opinion. And Olsen can be very sweet, and other times very annoying, so i figured why not?

It's just an actor, a celebrity, it doesn't mean im upset because im poking fun at them or putting them down. That goes for Olsen or Pfeiffer. Im sure they can handle some comments.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Im not surprised you flew in here, minutes later, to defend your almighty queen.

Not having this argument with you you're just going to defend her until you get blue in the face. It's happened before.

Bottom line... Olsen has a favorite Catwoman and playfully claims she is definitive. Don't lose any sleep over it.

 

[The Shape]

That goes for Olsen or Pfeiffer. Im sure they can handle some comments.

I really hope so.

 

[C. Lee]

To expand on that. Everyone is so brainwashed on this forum that they're afraid to make a move. Nobody wants to say this opinion sounds dumb as f**k, because we're not allowed. It's the most unrealistic forum i've ever been to. It's like daycare.

I posted a photo with "ohhh the ignorance..." and everyone loses their minds! Or at least Phantasm and Pfeiffer. Joker disagrees with me but says she wasn't definitive, and here comes the polite police (Phantasm) giving him s**t because everything on this forum is supposed to be nice and subjective. Ummm, no. We can disagree with someones opinion, and we should be able to say it's ignorant or dumb or inaccurate. Then people should be able to discuss that and poke fun at each other instead of 1 person going "wow you're just desperate and pathetic", trying to make into a huge thing. Calling people hypocrites. Where's the fun in the forum? There is none. It's a giant gang up session at all times. Not just this section.

But hey, i dont run this forum and im sure ill be told soon that i dont run it and i should shut my mouth if i want to stay here in Adolf's lounge. Im sure my posts will be deleted too while Phantasm gets away with it.

Not going to delete anything.

Not going to infract anyone.

Not going to say that if this was really Adolph's lounge you would already be gone and that the celebration would last for days and be the stuff of legend.

Nope....not going to say any of that. I have more pressing things to do....like performing a brainwashing or two (or three or four...I didn't check my to do list today) and just generally having loads of sidesplitting fun.

 

[shauner111]

Not going to delete anything.

Not going to infract anyone.

Not going to say that if this was really Adolph's lounge you would already be gone and that the celebration would last for days and be the stuff of legend.

Nope....not going to say any of that. I have more pressing things to do....like performing a brainwashing or two (or three or four...I didn't check my to do list today) and just generally having loads of sidesplitting fun.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I just dont agree with her, i dont care for her interviews or most of the marvel actors and the way they go out of their way to throw jabs at recent DC stuff.

What about Zack Snyder making dumb generalizations about Marvel films? And then making deluded comments of Man of Steel being somehow more profound and important when it's as slight as the slightest of Marvel products?

 

[shauner111]

He's just as stupid.