The Thing cops out of the Civil War-but where will he go or what will he do next?

[Fantasyartist]

In the latest issue of Civil War, Ben Grimm cops out of the conflict and hints that he might leave the country and never return. But where will he go and what will he do next?
Go to Israel and get in touch with his roots-may be team up with Sabra. Given that Ben is by his own admission a patriot at heart, this is a stunning declaration(akin to those who refused drafting into the Army during Vietnam went to Canada and never returned-at least as US citizens).
So what's next for bashful Benjy?

Terry

 

[3dman27]

i wish i knew the answer to that

 

[Malus]

I would NOT call Ben's choice "copping out."
Quite the contrary. He did what a lot of sane, rational people would do, given the totally polarized, f***ed-up situation.
It's certainly what I would do.

 

[pifpaf]

come to montreal Mr Grimm i invite you to see a hockey game les canadiens de montreal i paid the beer

 

[Darthphere]

Hes going to France, it s been all but confirmed.

 

[Malus]

come to montreal Mr Grimm i invite you to see a hockey game les canadiens de montreal i paid the beer
"English is not my first language, please be forgiving of my poor grammer while I learn" Any tips will be welcome

Don't worry, Pifpaf; you use the English language better than 25% of the posters on here. Welcome.

 

[Malus]

Hes going to France, it s been all but confirmed.

I kiiiinda doubt it.

 

[Darthphere]

I dont see why not.

 

[Malus]

I dont see why not.

Well I do.
Sweden or Switzerland, maybe. Great Britain, sure. Or perhaps somewhere more exotic. He is a kazillionaire now, and since he and Alicia are back together I'm sure she wouldn't mind being whisked away to some romantic locale til this so-called "Civil War" blows over.
But knowing Ben Grimm's patriotic character and principles, I do not see him booking a flight to visit his country's least dependable ally.
The War against Terror does exist in the Marvel Universe, remember.
And I can't imagine old Benjy being anything less than righteously pissed at the stupid remarks of Jacques Chirac over the last few years.

You'll see Ben Grimm visiting France when a cow jumps over the moon -while monkeys fly out of its butt.

 

[Harlekin]

In the latest issue of Civil War, Ben Grimm cops out of the conflict and hints that he might leave the country and never return. But where will he go and what will he do next?
Go to Israel and get in touch with his roots-may be team up with Sabra. Given that Ben is by his own admission a patriot at heart, this is a stunning declaration(akin to those who refused drafting into the Army during Vietnam went to Canada and never returned-at least as US citizens).
So what's next for bashful Benjy?

Terry

Sabra is Pro-Registration and is teaming with Micromax and Bishop, so I doubt it.

 

[Xofenroht]

Canada anyone?

 

[Doctor of Doom]

But knowing Ben Grimm's patriotic character and principles, I do not see him booking a flight to visit his country's least dependable ally.

I wouldn't say they aren't dependable, unless you mean that when America launches into another pointless crusade, France will be one of the few countries brave enough to say "Hang on, hang on.... what you're doing is just plain wrong!"

It is completely ridiculous to say that an American patriot is not a patriot if he goes to live in France. Marvel being liberal and Benjy being intelligent, he probably disagrees with most of the War on Terror anyway.

 

[Caliber]

In the latest issue of Civil War, Ben Grimm cops out of the conflict and hints that he might leave the country and never return. But where will he go and what will he do next?
Go to Israel and get in touch with his roots-may be team up with Sabra. Given that Ben is by his own admission a patriot at heart, this is a stunning declaration(akin to those who refused drafting into the Army during Vietnam went to Canada and never returned-at least as US citizens).
So what's next for bashful Benjy?

Terry

In a way hes copig out and trying to stay out of something thats just getting worse. Its sad that F4 will never be the same.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Gah! What are they doing to my beloved Fantastic Four?!

 

[3dman27]

screwing them royally i think

 

[Doctor of Doom]

To be fair, JMS is writing the FF totally in-character, moreso than he has before. I just wish we were seeing more of the others, since JMS believes the FF consits of:

(Not Ben)
(Not Ben)
THE EVER LOVING BLUE-EYED THING
(Not Ben)

 

[Malus]

I wouldn't say they aren't dependable, unless you mean that when America launches into another pointless crusade, France will be one of the few countries brave enough to say "Hang on, hang on.... what you're doing is just plain wrong!"

Haha - You used "France" and "brave" in the same sentence.

It's been retconned out of continuity now, but our Ben Grimm was among the thousands of American men who risked and even gave their lives liberating the ever-surrendering French from the Nazis.
The ungrateful French have the shortest memories I've ever seen.

I'm sure that Ben Grimm would be all for the war on terror, with the possible exception of how Iraq has been handled.

And he sure as HELL wouldn't be moving to France.

 

[CConn]

I wouldn't say they aren't dependable, unless you mean that when America launches into another pointless crusade, France will be one of the few countries brave enough to say "Hang on, hang on.... what you're doing is just plain wrong!"

America's...distaste for the French has been around long before they "pointed out the wrongs" of the the War on Terror. I won't say anything bad about the country or its people, but it's true "we" really just don't get along for whatever reason. So Ben moving to France to stay true to his "patriotism" would be a rather comical decision in any decade - let alone this one.

In any case, with him being loaded now, it'd be sorta cool if Ben traveled. Especially if he still had his solo book. "Ben in Rome, London, etc." Granted, that wouldn't quite match the gravity of CW.

 

[3dman27]

To be fair, JMS is writing the FF totally in-character, moreso than he has before. I just wish we were seeing more of the others, since JMS believes the FF consits of:

(Not Ben)
(Not Ben)
THE EVER LOVING BLUE-EYED THING
(Not Ben)

waitaminute ben grimm IS the ever lovin' blue eyed thing

 

[Doctor of Doom]

It's been retconned out of continuity now, but our Ben Grimm was among the thousands of American men who risked and even gave their lives liberating the ever-surrendering French from the Nazis.

The ungrateful French have the shortest memories I've ever seen.

Well, let's see now.... Firstly, the French saved your asses in the Revolution- half the army at the battle of Yorktown was french. Let's not forget America betraying France in the Napoleonic Wars. Moving on....

The force that liberated France was a COMBINED Allied force of Americans, British, A VAST repertoire of British colonies etc. Twice as many French fell defending France as Americans at D-Day. Without the aid of the Free French and the French Resistance, there would have been THOUSANDS of more American casualties in the invasion of France. Oh, and if America hadn't intervened, Russia would have smashed the Axis anyway. Ever-surrendering French? I'm sorry, the only major example I can recall is that time when they were invaded by a MASSIVELY superior enemy force with new tactics they hadn't faced before while their government was incompetent. I don't recall ANY country besides Russia succesfully withstanding the Blitzkrieg, and Russia's circumstances were unique.

Hmmm.... who could I possibly call upon to boost up my...

CAPTAIN FREAKING AMERICA himself said that he hates it when Americans call French people cowards. The government gave up, but the people never stopped fighting.

By God, I'm Irish, we were fighting an on-and-off war with arch-enemies England for SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS of oppresion.... and we don't consider it unpatriotic to live there. Get a grip- any American patriot can live in France.

I'm sure that Ben Grimm would be all for the war on terror, with the possible exception of how Iraq has been handled.

And he sure as HELL wouldn't be moving to France.

Whereas I'm sure Ben Grimm would be totally against the war on terror. He thinks the Registration Act is a breach of civil liberties so God knows he must despise the Patriot Act.

 

[LongDong]

Well I do.
Sweden or Switzerland, maybe. Great Britain, sure. Or perhaps somewhere more exotic. He is a kazillionaire now, and since he and Alicia are back together I'm sure she wouldn't mind being whisked away to some romantic locale til this so-called "Civil War" blows over.
But knowing Ben Grimm's patriotic character and principles, I do not see him booking a flight to visit his country's least dependable ally.
The War against Terror does exist in the Marvel Universe, remember.
And I can't imagine old Benjy being anything less than righteously pissed at the stupid remarks of Jacques Chirac over the last few years.

You'll see Ben Grimm visiting France when a cow jumps over the moon -while monkeys fly out of its butt.

Yep yep yep.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

And I can't imagine old Benjy being anything less than righteously pissed at the stupid remarks of Jacques Chirac over the last few years.

Nor can I imagine him as seeing George Bush as anything but what he is- an idiotic tool.

 

[Malus]

Well, let's see now.... Firstly, the French saved your asses in the Revolution

The French were more interested in humiliating the British than they were in helping us gain independence. The British would have been defeated one way or another regardless. For crying out loud, they waded into battle wearing red uniforms.

You make some good points regarding WW II. To be frank, I'm ashamed that it took Pearl Harbor to get America off the damn fence. We should have jumped in to help our allies MUCH sooner. We knew about what was happening to the Jews and did nothing, just as we did nothing about Rwanda.
Plenty of shame to go around.

I don't think the war would have gone well without U.S. involvement, however. Last time I checked, the 2 nukes that ended hostilities definitively came from the U S of A. (With the help of some defected German scientists, admittedly.)

Whereas I'm sure Ben Grimm would be totally against the war on terror. He thinks the Registration Act is a breach of civil liberties so God knows he must despise the Patriot Act.

Yes, I think he'd be against the Patriot Act (or parts of it) but FOR the war on terror. One doesn't have to be all for it or all against it, which is a point I think they're trying to say with Ben leaving the country.
He was for registration, he sees the logic in it (so do I) but not at the price they're paying.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

I don't think the war would have gone well without U.S. involvement, however. Last time I checked, the 2 nukes that ended hostilities definitively came from the U S of A. (With the help of some defected German scientists, admittedly.)

The two nukes that ended the war for America. What ended World War II more or less was the fall of Berlin. The Japanese-American war was almost a different war. Without American involvement, Russia would have defeated the Axis. Of course, at a FAR higher price- both in lives, and in the fact that they would have occupied all of Germany, plus Italy, France etc. But anyway, moving on....

es, I think he'd be against the Patriot Act (or parts of it) but FOR the war on terror. One doesn't have to be all for it or all against it, which is a point I think they're trying to say with Ben leaving the country.
He was for registration, he sees the logic in it (so do I) but not at the price they're paying.

I agree with Registration. I think it's a GREAT idea. But you're putting words into Ben's mouth. He DOESN'T like registration but he doesn't want to fight his own government. He's said it numerous times- he thinks the law is wrong.

 

[LongDong]

The two nukes that ended the war for America. What ended World War II more or less was the fall of Berlin.

Wrong