"The Truth: Red, White And Black"

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  1. Fantasyartist

    Fantasyartist Well-Known Member

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    I've just decided to get the graphic novel of this miniseries, in which Cap discovers that he is(albeit unwitting)a beneficiery of a Tuskegee-style experiment in which the experimental Super-Soldier formula was first tested on a group of African American soldiers before the"perfected" serum was given to him( the soldiers of course suffered all manner of side effects including sterility and brain damage). Whilst it may be argued that in the extremity of a looming war such experimentation was justifiable(and given the racist sentiments of many in the US military "brass", predominantly Southern born, hardly surprising), how then does this make official US condemnation of pretty similiar medical conduct by German doctors and scientists( most notoriously one Joseph Mengele) at the postwar Nuremburg Tribunals( and the execution if not sentences to lengthy prison terms for several of these aforementioned doctors)? Granted, the general public may not know of this(least of all the African American community), but Cap knows. Wouldn't this tend to give the "Sentinel of Liberty" a rather gamier reputation if the truth became know?
    Perhaps this aspect of Cap's background could be further explored in his title?

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    Fantasyartist Well-Known Member

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    I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas!

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    I'm not sure if the series aftermath has been dealt with in the actual Cap comics, really.. The Crew 'mini-series' (actually, a planned ongoing until it got canceled with #7) dealt with the son of Bradley, "Josiah X", and a group of heroes in brooklyn, NY.. and the current Patriot character is the grandson of Bradley.. but that's about it..
     
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    ok.
     
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    I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas!

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    I'm black and irish so technically black in this country but I'd probably never read this just because I don't find it very interesting. It would be nice if they just created a cool black superhero that could compete with the likes of Superman and Captain and Batman...but instead they create boring black super heroes and boring black super heroins (not counting storm)
     
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    I loved the Truth. It's one of my favorite graphic novels and is definitely my favorite Captain America story.

    As for star89 I do understand where you are coming from. It's tough when you look at the roster of black superheroes from the big companies. I think the potential is there but the execution sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. But even then you find some real good portrayals/depictions of black superheroes from time to time.

    I would recommend you seek out writers like Dwayne McDuffie, Christopher Priest, and Reginald Hudlin. Hudlin is something of a lightning rod among comics fans (particularly some white fans) but I recommend you check him out for yourself if you haven't already and make up your own mind.

    Also there's Milestone Comics, some of those books (Icon, Static) you can probably find easily in trades.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milestone_Media

    And there are the independents

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33898

    http://goodmenproject.com/komplicat...ers-develop-diversity-outside-the-mainstream/

    http://www.amazon.com/Ant-Reality-Bites-Marc-Hammond/dp/1582405808/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369343866&sr=1-1&keywords=Ant%2C+Mario+Gully

    http://www.amazon.com/Brotherman-Di...=1369343908&sr=1-1&keywords=brotherman+comics

    (Of the independents I've only read Ant. I liked it, but the creator Mario Gully had trouble putting the book out consistently. I read that he has since sold the character to Erik Larsen. I have read one of Jimmie Robinson's volumes of Bomb Queen (she is not black) and one issue of his Five Weapons so far (one of the ensemble characters is black))

    Also, Dynamite's Bring the Thunder

    http://www.amazon.com/Bring-Thunder...=1369345743&sr=1-1&keywords=bring+the+thunder
     
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  9. sampei

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    I like this drawing style but the plot is terrible...


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    I sort of feel the opposite. I really liked the plot and the writing but the artwork took some getting used to. I liked Kyle Baker's artwork for his Nat Turner book more than I did for The Truth.

    That being said the Truth touched on so many themes and was steeped in so much history that I had never read any comic like it before and very few since. Though Mat Johnson also puts in good work with Incognegro and his Papa Mid-Nite graphic novels.

    Johnson's name is one I should've mentioned either. John Ridley is another.
     
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