BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[InJustice]

Pretty sure he was a ghost in the screenplay too.

Spoiler

The sad part is it's true.

 

[TripleJ]

Lex is a genius, and most likely he would have closed all the loopholes against him.

Well, he would have tried.

Batman is in this film..and I am sure he played a part in getting Lex to the prison (In terms of actual forensic/investigative work, there are only few in DC universe who can rival Bats).

 

[The Guard]

Would someone explain to me the logic behind the motes of dirt floating off the lid of the casket? Of course I understand what it wants to imply, but how is Superman doing that? Does he have the power to move matter without touching it in this universe?

In the comics, his body is sort of a self healing solar battery. If it retains power, he doesn't die in the traditional sense. Metaphorically, he's about to "take flight" again.

That or a flying saucer was sucking up the coffin.

 

[Motown Marvel]

That man was someone who Bruce found evidence that connected him to the White Portuguese ship Lex used to transport Kryptonite. He was likely taken into custody as a result of Batman's successful rescue of Martha Kent and probably would have made a deal to incriminate Luthor in exchange for a lesser sentence. Plus, the notebook likely has sand residue that could be analyzed to be the same as the location of the incident. The General seemed like he could corroborate as well, and after the capitol bombing and Luthor's arrest for that crime, I'm sure he would have been more forthcoming and willing to go on record. Regardless, the movie tells us that Lois proved it, and if she did then her subplot wasn't pointless and she wasn't useless.

The man you are talking about is the man with the blowtorch to Martha whom batman murdered. And all the incriminating evidence Bruce gathered on Lex was illegally obtained which makes in inadmissible in court and subjects anyone who handled it to very serious Criminal charges.

Yes, there may be sand from the desert on lois' notebook. It's well known Lois was in the desert, it's natural there would be sand on her notebook, none of that proves anything. The prosecution has no murder weapon, they have no suspect, and they have no access to the crime scene, and they have no jurisdiction to get access to any of those things.

And the General states his knowledge of the situation was classified and there was nothing presented in the film to imply any of that was changing.

If the film featured a story arc for Lois where she legitimately and thoroughly investigates the conflict and gathers enough admissible and irrefutable evidence against Lex, yes that would of been an awesome character arc which would of been way better than her falling off things and drowning and playing Superman's constant damsel in distress.

 

[BobJM]

The problem with the Clark Kent death is that they had a funeral for him with an open casket, so he can't be presumed missing and show back up later. There is literally no plausible way to bring him back, which is a shame and my main complaint with the movie.

I agree with this--to bring Clark back without raising eyebrows would take some serious retconning/convoluted plotting. While the lack of Clark Kent may not impact JL, it seriously hinders a potential MOS2 IMHO.

 

[craigaat]

This was MOS2. There wont be any more solo Superman movies with this cast/crew.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Lex is a genius, and most likely he would have closed all the loopholes against him.

Well, he would have tried.

Batman is in this film..and I am sure he played a part in getting Lex to the prison (In terms of actual forensic/investigative work, there are only few in DC universe who can rival Bats).

I critique a movie for what it tells and shows me, not random guesses I have to make up for it to make sense. That would be like reading a 30 page comic with 9 missing.

 

[Poni_Boy]

This was MOS2. There wont be any more solo Superman movies with this cast/crew.

Agreed. To me it looks like the "lesson" they learned from MOS is that people don't want to see solo Superman movies.

 

[AdamJensen]

Agreed. To me it looks like the "lesson" they learned from MOS is that people don't want to see solo Superman movies.

Hence why Zack killed Jimmy Olsen in the first 20 minutes without even announcing it was Jimmy Olsen.

 

[craigaat]

Who cares about Jimmy Olsen?

 

[Andreth]

Hence why Zack killed Jimmy Olsen in the first 20 minutes without even announcing it was Jimmy Olsen.

Ugh. Still so mad about that.
Nobody at the Planet seemed to care either.

 

[AdamJensen]

In the comics, his body is sort of a self healing solar battery. If it retains power, he doesn't die in the traditional sense. Metaphorically, he's about to "take flight" again.

That or a flying saucer was sucking up the coffin.

It was definitely Brainiac, who is working with Eradicator who is working with Darkseid to resurrect Superman to become evil Superman to fight the Justice League. Entire film about how the Justice League convinces Superman he is the symbol of Hope & to join them to stop Darkseid.

 

[misslane38]

If they would have shown or told the audience that then I'd believe it. someone said there's a TV playing in the background saying he was arrested for the Senate bombing but I didn't catch that. Either way, something has to be said. and probably better than they did. Six people on this board who've seen the movie just debated why he was arrested. If your target fanbase who pays attentions to the little things didn't pick that up and has to plug plot holes with random guesses it's poor storytelling.

First of all, my main interest is to dispute the criticism that Lois' plot was pointless and she was useless. So, for me, I am merely pointing out that the movie tells us that she proved Lex's involvement and we see him going to jail for other crimes. Thus, regardless of the legitimacy of criticism like yours about the "poor storytelling," within the movies own internal logic Lois' subplot did serve a purpose.

As for the actual plot holes and such, I feel that there is enough dots and information to connect those dots that inferring a scenario where Luthor is arrested and convicted in a way that makes sense, even if it isn't all onscreen, can be done.

I can respect the fact that some need more than that to be satisfied. Heck, I wanted more of the Lois and senate hearing subplot (I would have preferred it to some of the nightmare stuff, honestly). However, I didn't come away from the movie thinking it was a surprise or illogical that Lex was jailed nor did I feel that Lois was useless.

 

[sepharih]

Question regarding the whole branding thing.

Can anyone explain to me why a bat brand would = prison death sentence? If anything shouldn't that almost give you more street cred? Granted I've never been in prison, but it seems to me like the reaction would be less "you dead now little man" and more "yo...you got taken out by the BAT!?!?"

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Sorry, but I missed that. Can you explain, please? Where in the movie was that?
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Yes you missed it. It was a news report on the TV right before switching to Lex getting his hair cut off.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Who cares about Jimmy Olsen?

Not Snyder?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Question regarding the whole branding thing.

Can anyone explain to me why a bat brand would = prison death sentence? If anything shouldn't that almost give you more street cred? Granted I've never been in prison, but it seems to me like the reaction would be less "you dead now little man" and more "yo...you got taken out by the BAT!?!?"

A news report said he only brands rapists, child molesters and human trafficers. Basically the guys who would get jacked up in prison anyway. Personally I think they were hinted at a "Sons of Batman" esque thing with the prisoners.

 

[Motown Marvel]

That or a flying saucer was sucking up the coffin.

I...

I would wanna see that actually

 

[Vaibow]

Question regarding the whole branding thing.

Can anyone explain to me why a bat brand would = prison death sentence? If anything shouldn't that almost give you more street cred? Granted I've never been in prison, but it seems to me like the reaction would be less "you dead now little man" and more "yo...you got taken out by the BAT!?!?"

There was a quote somewhere saying that the bat brand was only issued on peadophiles, women beaters, traffickers etc.

 

[Vaibow]

Agreed. To me it looks like the "lesson" they learned from MOS is that people don't want to see solo Superman movies.

I disagree, people do want to see a superman solo movie, that's why it started off so well in the opening weekend, unfortunately it wasn't the movie people wanted so interest died off.

 

[Andreth]

If the film featured a story arc for Lois where she legitimately and thoroughly investigates the conflict and gathers enough admissible and irrefutable evidence against Lex, yes that would of been an awesome character arc which would of been way better than her falling off things and drowning and playing Superman's constant damsel in distress.

Uh there was

But of course Snyder decided to cut it , I'm sure he did it to please the fanboys who wanted more badass time for the final battle

And the General states his knowledge of the situation was classified and there was nothing presented in the film to imply any of that was changing.

So, when she tells Lex that he had been exposed are we supposed to asume she is lying? If she said it then she managed to convince him.

 

[sepharih]

A news report said he only brands rapists, child molesters and human trafficers. Basically the guys who would get jacked up in prison anyway.

I completely do not remember hearing that in the brief TV segment, but that certainly explains a lot. Still not the kind of thing I'd like my Batman to get up to personally...but not illogical at least.

 

[Motown Marvel]

So, when she tells Lex that he had been exposed are we supposed to asume she is lying? If she said it then she managed to convince him.

If she said it, I expect such a claim to be substantiated by the events of the film. It was not.

 

[kevin2323]

The man you are talking about is the man with the blowtorch to Martha whom batman murdered. And all the incriminating evidence Bruce gathered on Lex was illegally obtained which makes in inadmissible in court and subjects anyone who handled it to very serious Criminal charges.

Yes, there may be sand from the desert on lois' notebook. It's well known Lois was in the desert, it's natural there would be sand on her notebook, none of that proves anything. The prosecution has no murder weapon, they have no suspect, and they have no access to the crime scene, and they have no jurisdiction to get access to any of those things.

And the General states his knowledge of the situation was classified and there was nothing presented in the film to imply any of that was changing.

If the film featured a story arc for Lois where she legitimately and thoroughly investigates the conflict and gathers enough admissible and irrefutable evidence against Lex, yes that would of been an awesome character arc which would of been way better than her falling off things and drowning and playing Superman's constant damsel in distress.

i wish people criticized AOU this hard lol. this is going so so far into a comic book film

 

[writer0327]

Good points about Clark Kent being essentially dead. I hadn't really thought about that until now.

So that means they are prepared to power on without any alter ego for Superman.

What the frick was Snyder, WB, DC, et al even thinking??? Did DC even sign off on that idea?