Comics The unmasking - Solved

[Styleshift]

Forgive me if someone else has already realized this, (remember I've been gone for a while)

I can't believe I didn't see it before...

Spoiler

The Sentry is the only one that is able to remask Peter. He's done it for him self twice in nearly the same way. The character's also remembered him in a similar fashion to how the FF remembered Peter.

 

[Reikowolf]

So you're saying Mephisto didn't remask him?

 

[Styleshift]

So you're saying Mephisto didn't remask him?

Yessir. Mephisto just destroyed the marriage to save Aunt May.
I think Mary Jane's special request has to do with her upcoming appearance in ASM. (Especially since Peter knows about his re-masking and how it works. Remember he said "what we did is still in place.") She may have asked to bear all the pain and remember her true past.

There is no other possible way to avoid a corny made up excuse. (with the re-masking explanation)

I'm cool with it as long as THIS is the explanation. I don't like made up off screen solutions.

 

[mre]

I thought that the Sentry had help from other MU characters to re-mask him, specifically Mister Fantastic.

 

[Styleshift]

I thought that the Sentry had help from other MU characters to re-mask him, specifically Mister Fantastic.

Yes, but he did it himself the first time.

 

[Venom 1988]

Hmm never thought of that before....and its a lot better than some of the theories I've been thinking about lol

 

[Themanofbat]

Whatever reason they go with, it's been pretty OBVIOUS that it wasn't Mephisto, so if it's a cool story, I can live with it...

 

[Reikowolf]

Yessir. Mephisto just destroyed the marriage to save Aunt May.
I think Mary Jane's special request has to do with her upcoming appearance in ASM. (Especially since Peter knows about his re-masking and how it works. Remember he said "what we did is still in place.") She may have asked to bear all the pain and remember her true past.

There is no other possible way to avoid a corny made up excuse. (with the re-masking explanation)

I'm cool with it as long as THIS is the explanation. I don't like made up off screen solutions.

Well, didn't mephisto say that to prevent aunt may from dying, he would have to erase any thread of history leading to it. The price for this being his relationship with MJ.

Aunt May getting shot was a direct result of his unmasking, by erasing the unmasking from his history, no one would know that Aunt May was related to Spider-Man and ergo she would not die because of Spider-Man.

I believe they even mention in the issue that Peter could handle if Aunt May died naturally, or even senslessly; but the fact that her death would have been a direct result of his action would have been too much for him to bear.

I like you're idea, and in fact, it may be a footnote that Marvel may use to bring the 616 continuity back into play. It would seem that the upcoming Clone Saga revisited may offer a shard of Peter's past back to him as a key element in the saga was his child with MJ.

 

[kguillou]

I really really hope that MJ doesnt remember anything either. If MJ still remembers everything then that means OMD's plot threads are still lingering on. How could we ever put OMD behind us if MJ remembers everything?

 

[JerseyJoker]

Because it would actually make it an interesting story plot for her character. If the deal would be, that she can only have the memories as long she never shares them, that keep her in this inner turmoil of pain, that she can basically never explain to anyone.

even if not, the plot of OMD will always be there, cause readers remember it, you can't change the readers memory (insert horrible Mephisto/JoeQ joke that 99% of this board makes.)

Even though i think he Spidey team have done a great job since NWTD to fully adapt Peter into their new world and post-OMD world. There is completely obvious writing changes and improvements from the first couple of BND archs to what you have been seeing recently.

 

[Styleshift]

Hmm never thought of that before....and its a lot better than some of the theories I've been thinking about lol

Thanks

Well, didn't mephisto say that to prevent aunt may from dying, he would have to erase any thread of history leading to it. The price for this being his relationship with MJ.

Aunt May getting shot was a direct result of his unmasking, by erasing the unmasking from his history, no one would know that Aunt May was related to Spider-Man and ergo she would not die because of Spider-Man.

I believe they even mention in the issue that Peter could handle if Aunt May died naturally, or even senslessly; but the fact that her death would have been a direct result of his action would have been too much for him to bear.

I like you're idea, and in fact, it may be a footnote that Marvel may use to bring the 616 continuity back into play. It would seem that the upcoming Clone Saga revisited may offer a shard of Peter's past back to him as a key element in the saga was his child with MJ.

Are you sure?
I thought Peter doesn't remember his deal with Mephisto.
............I actually think history wasn't changed at all.
People just can't connect everything that happened unless they see Peter's face. (Like how the public forgot the sentry and remembered him when they started talking to him.) If that's the explanation, its not as dumb as it initially sounded since a character already has that kind of power before all this nonsense started.

Because it would actually make it an interesting story plot for her character. If the deal would be, that she can only have the memories as long she never shares them, that keep her in this inner turmoil of pain, that she can basically never explain to anyone.

even if not, the plot of OMD will always be there, cause readers remember it, you can't change the readers memory (insert horrible Mephisto/JoeQ joke that 99% of this board makes.)

Even though i think he Spidey team have done a great job since NWTD to fully adapt Peter into their new world and post-OMD world. There is completely obvious writing changes and improvements from the first couple of BND archs to what you have been seeing recently.

Agreed

I really really hope that MJ doesnt remember anything either. If MJ still remembers everything then that means OMD's plot threads are still lingering on. How could we ever put OMD behind us if MJ remembers everything?

The ramifications of OMD won't die. People are still mad at sins past fer cryin out loud. lol

 

[Themanofbat]

Peter doesn't remember his deal with Mephisto.

History as we knew it didn't change.

 

[kguillou]

But what i'm saying is...if MJ remembers everything still and it constantly keeps her in pain, thats like a constant jab at the reader reminding them about OMD. Sure we the readers wont soon forget OMD, but it wont help to have that constant presence in the books either. Its better to completely wipe the slate clean.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, I guess we'll have to wait'n see IF MJ remmebers anything about the deal...

Though I doubt that she does... imo.

 

[Styleshift]

But what i'm saying is...if MJ remembers everything still and it constantly keeps her in pain, thats like a constant jab at the reader reminding them about OMD. Sure we the readers wont soon forget OMD, but it wont help to have that constant presence in the books either. Its better to completely wipe the slate clean.

Dude, I just want resolution. I don't care how we get it at this point.
Sure it sucks that the marriage is gone, (especially since I don't like soap opera that continues to repeat itself.)but I can't stand dangling plot threads even more.

If they just leave the series as "these two were married but don't remember".

Than it'll piss me off because 1 it feels disconnected, and 2 I know better. I'm still kinda peeved about the mysterious "spider skeleton" during the clone saga.

If they just close that chapter in peter's life. Have them both decide not to re-marry, have him seriously consider all the trouble and problems that they went through as a couple. Than sure they can write it off as Peter being a HERO and making a personal sacrifice with her to protect her.

I could believe that. but than you run into the problem of Peter not being able to date anyone else, because you know, if it doesn't work out with his one true love (twice)....why the hell would he want to date anyone else and put them in the same danger??

It's the reason why they haven't killed her off.
Regardless, I still don't see the reason why they needed a single Spidey again. the whole point of fun in watching soap operas is seeing if the relationships go anywhere, the unpredictability of it. Not just to see it burn in flames each and everytime. That's why on Smallville that Clark and Lana garbage got old really quick.

You want the nice guy to win and even when he gets the girl it doesn't mean the stories and his problems end.

Checking out some of the early Black cat stuff, I really think Peter should have ended up with her instead. It would of made more since IMO before she went crazy and disliked that he was a normal guy. Although I grew to like Mj for her character. Ever since Gwen died she's been the best for Pete.

I don't know how we're going to get it, but I just want some resolution. I want to feel like my comics read in a linear fashion again.

 

[kguillou]

I agree Styleshift. I want resolution too, yet at the same time i dont want things to get re-retconned because that'll just make a big mess of continuity. If there's some way to keep the current "new" continuity and have Peter maybe confront Mephisto one more time about the deal then i'll be satisfied cause i cannot stand the fact that Mephisto triumphed over Spider-man.

 

[Styleshift]

I agree Styleshift. I want resolution too, yet at the same time i dont want things to get re-retconned because that'll just make a big mess of continuity. If there's some way to keep the current "new" continuity and have Peter maybe confront Mephisto one more time about the deal then i'll be satisfied cause i cannot stand the fact that Mephisto triumphed over Spider-man.

I see what you mean buddy but Spidey's history is already pretty convoluted and it will stay that way until we get definite answers.

• It's one year later and we still don't know if peter remembers what happened in One More Day.
• We don't know exactly how Peter re-masked. We just have a clue, but we don't know when our who helped him.
• We don't know why Mj and he split up (recently)
• we don't know why they didn't get married (i suspect the answer is coming soon though)
• We don't know what happened to his "other" powers.
• We don't know if Mj remembers
• We don't know if Aunt May has a clue why she lived with the avengers for a while or whether she remembers at all.
• We don't know what the avengers think of Peter and his family staying with them.
• We don't know if mephisto's deal will backfire.
• We don't know what Mj said to mephisto.

To me Brand New day felt like, ok lets give these guys filler issues while we think of excuses for all these problems we caused.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Just think of the highest profile magician or telepath in the Marvel Universe and we'll have a good wager there - Dr. Strange is my guess.

 

[Styleshift]

Just think of the highest profile magician or telepath in the Marvel Universe and we'll have a good wager there - Dr. Strange is my guess.

Nah If it were that easy that would have been on the top of his list when his family was in trouble because his secret was outed.
You could argue and say he was more concerned about Aunt may's life......but I don't really buy it.

Besides he said it was a psychic mind block, and Doc strange deals with magic. Not mental stuff (as far as I know, i don't really know the character all too well)

 

[JerseyJoker]

I get people need to have answers, but seriously, complaining that a year has gone by and we don't have all the answers? Thats just silly.

Why does it have to be, that once a plot starts or a mystery begins, AN ANSWER HAS TO BE REVEALED!!!

Sit back, read the stories, just because a year has gone by, doesn't mean anything, they have done something important in that year, develop this new world for PEter and new characters/villains, and have done a good job in recent months (figuring out from some mess ups early in BND.)

It just amazes me how everyone feels like they are entitled to know the answers when they want to know them, not when they are give. Its not like these mysteries are just going to be dissolved and vanish one day without us knowing, it will be revealed, but slowly, if we knew the answers... all of them by now, that would be sloppy and poor writing. Plain and simple.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Whatever reason they go with, it's been pretty OBVIOUS that it wasn't Mephisto, so if it's a cool story, I can live with it...

I second that.

 

[Styleshift]

I get people need to have answers, but seriously, complaining that a year has gone by and we don't have all the answers? Thats just silly.

Here's the thing. These are continuity issues that need to be addressed. This isn't a mystery. It's not really clear what One more day changed and what it didn't. They aren't even dropping clues or red herrings for it to be a mystery. I love how some of you pro-guys out there easily use the "we can't wait for answers" excuse. Even after its been 3 years worth of issues.

Why does it have to be, that once a plot starts or a mystery begins, AN ANSWER HAS TO BE REVEALED!!!

No one is saying that.

Sit back, read the stories, just because a year has gone by, doesn't mean anything, they have done something important in that year, develop this new world for PEter and new characters/villains, and have done a good job in recent months (figuring out from some mess ups early in BND.)

But hey that's just my opinion. I respect yours and I'm not dismissing them even if I disagree. I say it's not a mystery. I lo

EDIT: i know you weren't replying head-on to any of my posts, but i've heard this argument before, against me and other fans. I'm kinda tired of hearing it. I cleaned this post up a bit so I wouldn't seem like a butthole.

My opinions are pretty decent..........at least i think so. I dont conform to one side.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I love how people say it wasn't mephisto when they read the freaking issue where mephisto did it. No matter who actually did the deed, Mephisto is the one ultimately. We read the issue. It's like a mafia boss that puts a hit out on someone. Sure some other guy pulled the trigger but the boss is the ultimate murderer.

The reason we don't have answers to stuff is they haven't thought them up yet. The writers have said as much, they were given a big blank and a lot of problems (they aren't mysteries, mysteries are thought up in advance and have a solution or at least an idea where they're going) and they've had to think on their feet. It really is tough on them. The basic concept was this: the devil makes a deal to undo pete's marriage and remask him and aunt may is fine and gwen's alive, no wait harry's alive. Yeah harry. Now make it make sense.

I like mysteries quite a bit, but when the tease brings your mind back to OMD then maybe they should just settle up and move on. It's like asking a rape victim to keep retelling her story just in a little more detail each time.

 

[Styleshift]

I love how people say it wasn't mephisto when they read the freaking issue where mephisto did it. No matter who actually did the deed, Mephisto is the one ultimately. We read the issue. It's like a mafia boss that puts a hit out on someone. Sure some other guy pulled the trigger but the boss is the ultimate murderer.

I think they were ready for this. They put 100 days in between One more day and Brand new day. We don't know what happen within those 100 days. I personally feel like they have been trying to think of ideas in between than and that's what the 100 days for. Because all we've gotten within a year is the mechanics of how it works. I just don't see why Peter is so tight with the FF again, but he couldn't reveal to him how his re-masking was done.

The reason we don't have answers to stuff is they haven't thought them up yet. The writers have said as much, they were given a big blank and a lot of problems (they aren't mysteries, mysteries are thought up in advance and have a solution or at least an idea where they're going) and they've had to think on their feet. It really is tough on them. The basic concept was this: the devil makes a deal to undo pete's marriage and remask him and aunt may is fine and gwen's alive, no wait harry's alive. Yeah harry. Now make it make sense.

I honestly didn't read that yet. THANK YOU!!!!

I like mysteries quite a bit, but when the tease brings your mind back to OMD then maybe they should just settle up and move on. It's like asking a rape victim to keep retelling her story just in a little more detail each time.

well..........thats kinda far. but i guess so.

 

[kguillou]

You guys pretty much hit the nail on the head. These aren't "mysteries", these are continuity issues that do need to be addressed. It isnt right when the reader doesnt have a clue whats going on in the status quo of book they're reading . We dont know what Peter knows, we dont know what MJ knows, we dont really know what aunt may remembers, we dont know what Spidey's friends and allies remember of him or even what their current relationship is (can anyone explain to me Peter's current relationship with Tony Stark??). Basically we are completely in the dark about a lot of things that we shouldnt be in the dark about. This isnt a "whodoneit?" mystery or a "who is this mysterious character?" mystery, this is a "what the heck is going on here" continuity mishap.. After a year an da half i think its time to put OMD's plot holes to rest and move on cause i dont think anyone including marvel wants to look back at that event.