Justice League The Victor Stone/Cyborg Thread

[Majik1387]

Martian Manhunter *is* a main staple of the group. You don't get much more staple than "Founding member, and member in practically every incarnation since."

Avengers did just fine without every staple member of the group, they just kept the important and more popular ones.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Avengers did just fine without every staple member of the group, they just kept the important and more popular ones.

Hawkeye and Black Widow were more popular and important than Ant-Man, Vison and Black Panther? I doubt that.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know, I think Cap, Thor, Hulk and Iron Man were mandatory. Everyone else is interchangeable. Just my two cents, but I don't give a crap about Hawkeye or Ant-Man. Didn't really care about Black Widow either, but Scarlett sold me on her in The Avengers.

Wouldn't mind seeing Vision though.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah i kinda wish we just had Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk with like Spider-Man and Black Panther or something. Didnt really care for the others.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'd rather not see Cyborg in JL, but John Boyega from Attack the Block would be a good choice.

 

[Lobo]

I have no problem with going the Cyborg route. As noted earlier, they likely want someone Iron Man esque.

I DO however want to note the idea of Cyborg with the league is not all that new. He was on the old later episodes of Super Friends/Super Powers team

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[Majik1387]

That's one of the main reasons I prefer him to be in the movie.

 

[Lobo]

He'd probably be more cost effective than MM too, who would be all CGI imo, and let's not forget he has every power there is.

I'd want MM and the Hyperclan for JL2

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Why would Martian Manhunter be entirely CGI? It'd be no more necessary than Cyborg.

 

[TheWatcher]

That's one of the main reasons I prefer him to be in the movie.

Because of something on Super Friends?

 

[The Guard]

I DO however want to note the idea of Cyborg with the league is not all that new. He was on the old later episodes of Super Friends/Super Powers team

Along with:
Firestorm
Black Vulcan/Lightning
(Both of whom do deserve at least a nod in the JL franchise)

Apache Chief
Samurai
El Dorado
The Wonder Twins
Gleek

Yes, historically he was part of a group of Justice League like "Superfriends" 13-14 strong. His inclusion in this obviously "diverse" supergroup is hardly a good reason to use him in a serious JUSTICE LEAGUE film. While I think a lot of the general audience does get the "Superfriends" reference when its made, THE SUPERFRIENDS/SUPER POWERS is pretty dated and has been largely forgotten among nonfans. And its hardly comic book mythology canon.

Look, there's nothing inherently wrong with Cyborg as a character, and like most of DC's, he can be used to fantastic effect. But he's not one of the big seven, and not deserving of inclusion in their initial ranks.

 

[shauner111]

He'd probably be more cost effective than MM too, who would be all CGI imo, and let's not forget he has every power there is.

Good point.

 

[Majik1387]

Because of something on Super Friends?

Like I've said time and again, I was introduced to Cyborg before Martian Manhunter because of Justice League. I prefer Cyborg over Martian Manhunter because of watching and learning about the characters from reruns of Super Friends before the JLA show was made.
When JLA the animated series was made, I learned about MM and still didn't care much for him, and I do feel he can be replaced as a founding member. I think he'd be good for a sequel yeah, but I don't quite see the need for MM in the first movie.

And like I've said countless times, Cyborg doesn't have to stay in the League at the end of the movie, he's be used to open up the door for the Teen Titans movie, the same way I expect the JLA movie to lead to a Wonder Woman movie, the Batman reboot, the Man of Steel sequel, as well as a possible Green Lantern sequel, an Aquaman solo movie, and maybe a Flash solo movie.

Along with:
Firestorm
Black Vulcan/Lightning
(Both of whom do deserve at least a nod in the JL franchise)

Apache Chief
Samurai
El Dorado
The Wonder Twins
Gleek

Yes, historically he was part of a group of Justice League like "Superfriends" 13-14 strong. He's not one of the big seven, and not deserving of inclusion in their ranks.

His inclusion in this obviously "diverse" supergroup is hardly a good reason to use him in a serious JUSTICE LEAGUE film. While I think a lot of the general audience does get the "Superfriends" reference when its made, THE SUPERFRIENDS/SUPER POWERS is pretty dated and has been largely forgotten among nonfans. And its hardly comic book mythology canon.

While all that may be true, unlike the above diverse superheroes, Cyborg has built a strong fan-following and earned his recognition in the DC universe; from the Teen Titans comics/cartoon to the New 52 JL inclusion. It's not so out of the blue to prefer him over Martian Manhunter.

 

[The Guard]

While all that may be true, unlike the above diverse superheroes, Cyborg has built a strong fan-following and earned his recognition in the DC universe; from the Teen Titans comics/cartoon to the New 52 JL inclusion. It's not so out of the blue to prefer him over Martian Manhunter.

And that's just it...he should be a Teen Titan or a Titan, not a Leaguer. He works better in that context, he interacts better with those characters, VS the "Gods" of the Justice League.

There's nothing wrong with preferring one character over another. But I'm not going to suggest we populate the film League with Batman, Superman, The Spectre, Ambush Bug and Mr. Miracle because I like those characters.

There comes a point where it should be about honoring the concept of the League and its mythology. Since Cyborg is a part of the new 52, his inclusion is feasible, but there are better choices, and more deserving characters, who bring more to the table character and story and themewise.

Hopefully we'll be graced with creators and writers who want to honor the comic book mythology of the Justice League, not shove in a character who has recently been added to the JLA in the New 52 for diversity's sake, and repeat that mistake on film.

 

[Lobo]

Why would Martian Manhunter be entirely CGI? It'd be no more necessary than Cyborg.

I dont know, I just see them going the Silver Surfer route.

 

[Majik1387]

I just don't see how it's a mistake in any sense.

 

[Lobo]

Along with:
Firestorm
Black Vulcan/Lightning
(Both of whom do deserve at least a nod in the JL franchise)

Apache Chief
Samurai
El Dorado
The Wonder Twins
Gleek

Yes, historically he was part of a group of Justice League like "Superfriends" 13-14 strong. His inclusion in this obviously "diverse" supergroup is hardly a good reason to use him in a serious JUSTICE LEAGUE film. While I think a lot of the general audience does get the "Superfriends" reference when its made, THE SUPERFRIENDS/SUPER POWERS is pretty dated and has been largely forgotten among nonfans. And its hardly comic book mythology canon.

Look, there's nothing inherently wrong with Cyborg as a character, and like most of DC's, he can be used to fantastic effect. But he's not one of the big seven, and not deserving of inclusion in their initial ranks.

I agree with this whole post, accept that I wouldn't mind him included.

Also IMO a Wonder Twins movie marketed to the tween crowd could work. Starring Taylor Lautner and Selena Gomez. I was actually messing around with some ideas about this earlier this week.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

To me, the League doesn't feel right with Martian Manhunter.

It wouldn't bother me if Cybord ended up in the movie, but there are others that should, at least, be considereds first, imo.

Green Arrow, Black Canary, Hawkman, Atom, Zatanna, Firestorm, Captain Atom

 

[Lobo]

One script idea I had the team was

Superman, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, and Black canary.

I know no Batman is sacrilegious to some.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

That's a pretty good lineup, Lobo.

 

[Majik1387]

Zatanna, now there's a character that doesn't belong.

 

[shauner111]

No Batman in JL is more than sacrilegious.

I prefer Cyborg over any of those names, like Green Arrow etc.

I found out about Cyborg and Martian Manhunter around the same time. Both didnt blow me away. MM has an interesting backstory OK ill give him that, but his powers and position in the League doesn't feel like a good addition in my eyes.

Cyborg on the other hand, im warming up to a lot. He just fits better, like Majik says he can open up some doors. Doors that lead to him (and Robin perhaps) leading another team..once JL is wrapping up on film. J'onn is a character that i cant see going anywhere besides being exclusive to the team movies. And only as a small character. Maybe a more 'neutral' character at first.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Zatanna, now there's a character that doesn't belong.

Zatanna is awesome!!

 

[sethypants]

Along with:
Firestorm
Black Vulcan/Lightning
(Both of whom do deserve at least a nod in the JL franchise)

Apache Chief
Samurai
El Dorado
The Wonder Twins
Gleek

Yes, historically he was part of a group of Justice League like "Superfriends" 13-14 strong. His inclusion in this obviously "diverse" supergroup is hardly a good reason to use him in a serious JUSTICE LEAGUE film. While I think a lot of the general audience does get the "Superfriends" reference when its made, THE SUPERFRIENDS/SUPER POWERS is pretty dated and has been largely forgotten among nonfans. And its hardly comic book mythology canon.

Look, there's nothing inherently wrong with Cyborg as a character, and like most of DC's, he can be used to fantastic effect. But he's not one of the big seven, and not deserving of inclusion in their initial ranks.

And yet they did not include MM. What does this says about him?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I dont know, I just see them going the Silver Surfer route.

I suppose it would really depend on the director, but I'd think they'd go more the fantastic Prometheus bodysuit style to lower budget.