Justice League The Victor Stone/Cyborg Thread

[metaphysician]

And yet they did not include MM. What does this says about him?

That the writers of Super Friends were terrible and didn't care at all about their source material?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

And yet they did not include MM. What does this says about him?

The Super Friends were not the Justice League, though.

 

[The Guard]

And yet they did not include MM. What does this says about him?

That the writers of Super Friends were terrible and didn't care at all about their source material?

It says that they didn't use him. Odds are, in a show that was clearly geared toward presenting a diverse group of superheroes, that they thought he was too similar to Superman, much like Captain Marvel, who I believe didn't show up in a SUPER FRIENDS/SUPER POWERS show for some time, and even then only mainly in merchandising and the SUPER POWERS toy line.

And yes, to a point, the writers of SUPER FRIENDS were terrible, and they obviously didn't care about the source material, at least at first.

Plot lines for the first incarnation of the Super Friends did not involve any of the familiar DC Comics super-villains. They focused on the far-fetched schemes of mad scientists and aliens, who were invariably revealed as being well-intentioned, and simply pursuing their goals through unlawful or disreputable means. Typically, at the end of each story, all that is needed is a peaceful and reasonable discussion to convince the antagonists to adopt more reasonable methods.[7]

SUPER FRIENDS was about well known superheroes interacting with kids and their pet dog/monkey/whatever they had, and a certain amount of diversity and lesson learning. That's why Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman and Aquaman, well known DC icons at the time, are present, and almost every other major character is a guest star, like The Flash, or has some diversity element added to them. At one point, Green Lantern had a little asian sidekick who rode him through space.

 

[sethypants]

It says that they didn't use him. Odds are, in a show that was clearly geared toward presenting a diverse group of superheroes, that they thought he was too similar to Superman, much like Captain Marvel, who I believe didn't show up in a SUPER FRIENDS/SUPER POWERS show for some time, and even then only mainly in merchandising and the SUPER POWERS toy line.

And yes, to a point, the writers of SUPER FRIENDS were terrible, and they obviously didn't care about the source material, at least at first.

Plot lines for the first incarnation of the Super Friends did not involve any of the familiar DC Comics super-villains. They focused on the far-fetched schemes of mad scientists and aliens, who were invariably revealed as being well-intentioned, and simply pursuing their goals through unlawful or disreputable means. Typically, at the end of each story, all that is needed is a peaceful and reasonable discussion to convince the antagonists to adopt more reasonable methods.[7]

SUPER FRIENDS was about well known superheroes interacting with kids and their pet dog/monkey/whatever they had, and a certain amount of diversity and lesson learning. That's why Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman and Aquaman, well known DC icons at the time, are present, and almost every other major character is a guest star, like The Flash, or has some diversity element added to them. At one point, Green Lantern had a little asian sidekick who rode him through space.

Very true indeed.

 

[cleverusername8]

I'd be om with this scenario: Martian Manhunter is inducted as s member of the team but coordinates things from the Watchtower while Cyborg fights with the team as a sixth member (Aquaman would be saved for another movie).

 

[Majik1387]

Nah, Aquaman needs his due. Martian Manhunter can wait.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Why not both?

 

[Majik1387]

Aquaman should be a founding member, Cyborg as a member throughout first movie, leaving at the end to join Teen Titans, and end with Martian Manhunter cliffhanger for new threat.

 

[sethypants]

I'd be om with this scenario: Martian Manhunter is inducted as s member of the team but coordinates things from the Watchtower while Cyborg fights with the team as a sixth member (Aquaman would be saved for another movie).

aquaman > mm

 

[shauner111]

aquaman > mm

should always be Aquaman over MM.

 

[Anubis]

Screw that, they're both awesome, Cyborg's the one that doesn't fit.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Spoiler

Cyborg is terrible.

 

[Majik1387]

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Nostalgia clouds your judgement.

 

[Majik1387]

Nah. Again, while I don't hate MM, I don't find him that endearing, even with the JL and JLU cartoons.(not much for DC comics, though expanding my library)

But again, I find it funny that you Cyborg haters are clouding this thread with your hate instead of talking about MM in his own thread.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I rarely even think of Cyborg, but having him on the team over MM is crazy talk. I doubt any one would mention it if not for New 52.

 

[Anubis]

So threads are segregated now? That's just racist.

 

[Majik1387]

I rarely even think of Cyborg, but having him on the team over MM is crazy talk. I doubt any one would mention it if not for New 52.

You'd be wrong about that.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'd rather have an iconic and founding member of the Justice League than generic Robo-Teen.

 

[Majik1387]

Why don't you go to the thread to talk about it then.

 

[sethypants]

Have anyone had this thought before, the reason you guys are so against Cyborg is because you're racist?
I mean pre new 52, no one even gave a sh** about martian manhunter. Nobody cared about him, nobody bought his solo title, even the writers dont give a **** about him. Now that Cyborg is upgraded from member to founder, suddenly everyone cares so much about MM.
Theres a few terms for it, subtle racism or modern racism.

 

[Majik1387]

Nah, it's not a racism thing. Especially since majority want MM to be portrayed by black actors.

 

[sethypants]

But really, I think MM is alien first, black second. Which is why many blacks dont see mm as representing them. He has also at times be portrayed as a white male.

 

[shauner111]

There's nothing "iconic" about MM. Nobody has ever cared for J'onn J'onzz until recently and it's not even a lot of people. Justice League fanboys maybe. General comic fans, the general public who doesn't know crap about the comics...dont even know who he is. And even a good amount of those "Justice League fanboys" do NOT care about the character.

I'm not gonna sit here and call Cyborg iconic, but the character has been around since what? the 80's? MM has been around since the 50's! He was thrown into JL right from the get-go and still has failed to make an impact. Give Cyborg another 30 years and see if he's still associated with the team or what kind of status he is in as a DC character.

Martian Manhunter has had all the time in the world to become something special and to win over every single Justice League fan as the other members have, and he's fallen short. Don't want to turn it into a bashing thread but it's how i see it.

 

[sethypants]

I do agree with u shauner. Cyborg is literally the star of teen titans. Even after he joined the justice league, he was still mentoring the new titans. He'll be appearing on cartoon network again and will still be playing a huge rolein DCU.