Stormyprecious said:
Singer's trash treated the characters with very little to no respect(leaning toward the latter).
Rogue didn't do **** in these movies, she should've been an active part of the team, all she did was generic stuff anyone could've done like clumbsily landing the X-Jet.
She also had an excellent character in the first film who got lots of interaction with Wolverine and truly embodied the fear of what a mutant must be going through. The second movie did a good job of continuing her relationship with Bobby
Iceman also contributed nothing to the team in the first 2 films, and they cast possibly the single most wooden actor in mainstream Hollywood today to play him.
I'll grant you he wasn't much, and was better in X3 which just shows how bad the movie was (if he outshines people)
[quotes]Wolverine is nothing but a pathetic, generic bad-ass that can't back up his bs because he gets his ass royally handed to him everytime he fights a mutant. It's ridiculous that Singer and company shoved the rest aside to waste so much time on him, yet still royally ****ed him up. The movie version is a watered down shell of the true Wolverine.[/quote]
Lets see he beat the crap out of Sabretooth and beats Deathstrike in a great fight scene, also kills a mansion full of military men and goes into bezerker rage. Furthermore his dialogue with Stryker actually reveals he has a character, and he doesn't blurt out crappy dialogue like "grows those back" or "I love you". He had motivation in X1 and 2.
Storm, Cyclops, and Jean might as well have been clones of a character named Generic in Singer's films. They have almost no distinctive personality traits, and are defined only by their powers. It wasn't until Singer's incompetence was put aside that Storm and Jean finally got to be actual characters with personalities.
Actually the biggest criticism of X3 across the board is that there were no characters. This film had character abscense. I cannot describe anyone from X3 outside of using power descriptions. Storm was unsure of herself, but a rather quiet reserved woman who had strength when she spoke, "Sometimes anger can help you survive". That was gone and we got to see nothing but flashy special effects. In X2 they actually used Nightcrawler to show Storm had a personality, there was none in X3
Cyclops in X1 had scenes like "I'll take care of them", he figured out Rogue's use in Magneto's plan and planned the strike...ya know the stuff Cyclops does. And he also got to show in both X1 and 2 he actually cared for Jean, we got to see his anger trying to get Jean back and then how shaken he was by her death. Even though he gets little screentime, Singer never b*tched slapped him like they did in X3, he just did not use him enough
Jean also had more than 7 lines in X1 and 2, and did more than act like a frisky sex queen for 30 seconds. The most she did in this film was sit or stand there and look angry, wow way to use a character
Moving onto X2, he butchered Deathstrike by making a character with depth into a mindless drone void of a personality, and then unfairly killing her off after about 15 minutes of screen time and one irrelevant line.
Similar to how they butchered Juggernaut, Callisto, Psylock, Colossus, and Trask in X3 by removing their characters and making them mindless dead weight, like that right?
Singer's films are paper thin. He had great source material to work with, yet still end up making bland as can be movies with an ensamble that's hardly worth caring about. His versions of the characters were barely one dimensional, and the previous installments had their share of lame dialogue too.
Except 80% and 87% of critics thought the exact opposite.
What Rattner did was clean up the horrid mess of sub-mediocrity that layed before him thanks to the guy that destroyed the first two going off to do the same to another franchise this time. Thank God that incompetent hack is out of the way so I finally got to see a good X-Men movie.
Rattner made a good X-Men movie, Singer made horrible episodes of the Wolverine show guest starring hackneyed versions of the X-Men.
And yet the movie had the pace of Quicksilver and no subtext or plot to speak of. Took the Phoenix Saga and boiled it down to 30 seconds, swapped Wolverine for Cyclops then marginalized every character who was not Wolverine or Magneto (by killing them no less to input drama) took nothing from X-Men lore except a drunk internet video and then called that X-Men, yeah thanks Ratner.
