The whole Joy Reid thing

[Aximili86]

Man, this is actually pretty damn funny. Why the hell didn't she just apologize? I can't wrap my head around that.

The posts would still be sketchy, but she'd be fine if she just came out an issued a heartfelt apology and said she'd changed her views over time. But the "it wasn't me, it was hackers!" stuff? Which a bunch of internet archive stuff has just debunked, said there's no evidence her account was tampered with?

I mean, she'll get away with it, MSNBC isn't going to can their major high-ratings black female anchor, but man, it's pretty crazy.

Other weird thing is these homophobic blog posts were from the mid-late 2000s right? It's not like...this stuff was acceptable back then, either, we're not talking the dark ages here. Not like "gays R gross!" would fly in 2008 among the mainstream, and yet it just hasn't been an issue until now.

 

[Enriquespy]

Who?

 

[terry78]

MSNBC anchor.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Honestly, I've never heard of her.

 

[Mandon Knight]

What did she say ?

 

[Frodo]

Man, this is actually pretty damn funny. Why the hell didn't she just apologize? I can't wrap my head around that.

The posts would still be sketchy, but she'd be fine if she just came out an issued a heartfelt apology and said she'd changed her views over time. But the "it wasn't me, it was hackers!" stuff? Which a bunch of internet archive stuff has just debunked, said there's no evidence her account was tampered with?

I mean, she'll get away with it, MSNBC isn't going to can their major high-ratings black female anchor, but man, it's pretty crazy.

Other weird thing is these homophobic blog posts were from the mid-late 2000s right? It's not like...this stuff was acceptable back then, either, we're not talking the dark ages here. Not like "gays R gross!" would fly in 2008 among the mainstream, and yet it just hasn't been an issue until now.

From what I understand, the FBI is looking into the hacking matter, so despite what other lefty and righty bloggers are claiming , they at least take the accusation seriously enough to investigate it.

I doubt Reid would be foolish enough to involve the FBI if she were lying or faking the hacking story.

Now, what I say next is my own speculation , no proof to back it up at all.

I actually don't think it was right wingers who hacked her. She's been very vocal and outspoken about the Russian government and has had Russian defectors, Former CIA agents , and others go in depth about Russia hacking, killing of former spies etc.

I actually think the FBI is involved because they may suspect Russian hacker involvement in it . Russian hackers have hacked other journalists who have invested Putin's various foreign adventures and interests. I also find it interesting that RT has picked up the Joy Reid story and seems to be gleeful about it.

She could be totally bs-ing to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something more serious.

 

[Breogan]

Who?

I read the title as - "The whole Joy Ride thing"
Very disappointed by the discussion.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

t:

 

[Doug_Moore]

I mean, she'll get away with it, MSNBC isn't going to can their major high-ratings black female anchor, but man, it's pretty crazy.

Other weird thing is these homophobic blog posts were from the mid-late 2000s right? It's not like...this stuff was acceptable back then, either, we're not talking the dark ages here. Not like "gays R gross!" would fly in 2008 among the mainstream, and yet it just hasn't been an issue until now.

Normally, she'd be canned for this BS, but MSNBC is afraid she'd sue them if they did. I don't care how long ago it was. I don't care how many insincere apologies she gives. She is no friend of the LGBT community.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I read the title as - "The whole Joy Ride thing"
Very disappointed by the discussion.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

susan sarandon ended her

 

[Aximili86]

From what I understand, the FBI is looking into the hacking matter, so despite what other lefty and righty bloggers are claiming , they at least take the accusation seriously enough to investigate it.

I doubt Reid would be foolish enough to involve the FBI if she were lying or faking the hacking story.

Now, what I say next is my own speculation , no proof to back it up at all.

I actually don't think it was right wingers who hacked her. She's been very vocal and outspoken about the Russian government and has had Russian defectors, Former CIA agents , and others go in depth about Russia hacking, killing of former spies etc.

I actually think the FBI is involved because they may suspect Russian hacker involvement in it . Russian hackers have hacked other journalists who have invested Putin's various foreign adventures and interests. I also find it interesting that RT has picked up the Joy Reid story and seems to be gleeful about it.

She could be totally bs-ing to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something more serious.

Dude. These blog entries are from 10-13 years ago. The Russians, dastardly as they may be, aren't in possession of Skynet's time-displacement technology just yet, I'm pretty sure.

She very likely did post them, given the archive techs are saying there's nothing pointing to them being tampered with. She's probably created a whole lot more trouble for herself by taking this to the FBI, they don't take kindly to false reports/accusations and wasting of their time.

It's just one of those things. "Joy Reid was grossed out and frustrated by dudes kissing back in the late Bush/early Obama years, but has matured and evolved and doesn't see things that way anymore" is something people would forgive and forget. "It wasn't me! I was hacked by Rooskies!", forensically proven false by the FBI could be a whole other matter.

The stuff she wrote was pretty damn out-there though, not exactly the type of views welcomed in any progressive modern corporation:



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/27/17286392/joy-reid-hack-msnbc-homophobic-blog

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/media/joy-reid-homophobic-blog-posts.html

 

[Aximili86]

Bwaha, she finally admitted she made up the hacking accusation, and issued a quasi-weak-apology.

MSNBC's third-or-fourth top anchor couldn't stand homosexual people in, like 2007/2008. Crazy world.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bwaha, she finally admitted she made up the hacking accusation, and issued a quasi-weak-apology.

MSNBC's third-or-fourth top anchor couldn't stand homosexual people in, like 2007/2008. Crazy world.

You didn't actually watch it at all did you? I mean, I don't buy what she is selling, but that isn't what she said at all.

 

[Aximili86]

Of course it is, if you read through the face-saving. She first said she didn't write the posts, and that she thinks she was hacked. Some online archivist group calls her on it as false. So she takes it to the FBI to investigate. A day or two later she backs off on the FBI stuff.

Then she comes out saying (paraphrasing) "I don't believe I wrote the posts, but I have no evidence of tampering, and given previous views I've held I can see why people don't buy what I'm selling."


EDIT:To quote the Time (that bastion of hardcore alt-right media!) article:

Reid opened her weekend show “AM Joy” by acknowledging has said “dumb” and “hurtful” things in the past. “The person I am now is not the person I was then,” she said.

“I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things because they are completely alien to me. But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted and have written in the past, why some people don’t believe me,” she said.


Yeah, that's totally "I did it, but obviously can't flat-out admit it". She's leaving wiggle-room.


Also from Vox (again, about as progressive-leaning as it gets)"

Reid also hosted a panel with LGBTQ activists about the blog posts, telling them to “feel free to grill me.” And she apologized for newly resurfaced tweets in which she made transphobic remarks that suggested conservative pundit Ann Coulter is a man.


You don't go on an appeasement run to said community in question if you genuinely believe you've been ****ed with.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

She admitted to saying very specific things already. What she said during the opening of her show is that she does not remember saying these others things but cannot prove that she was hacked. So how is that admitting she said those new specific things?

 

[Aximili86]

Because she flat-out admits she's posted offensive stuff in the past that would cause people to not believe her indignant victimization, and she acknowledges there's nothing substantive to the hacking thing outside of her own feelings on the matter. She doesn't want the FBI looking into it and coming back with a "nope, no digital inteference to speak of", because she'd be up **** creek with her employer more than she is now.

Reasonable people read through the lines here. She's saying she did it, without saying she did it. Which is fine, you can't blame her for that, it's not something she should lose her job over.

Point is, she should have just acknowledged it from the start, apologized, said she's changed in a decade-plus.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So she didn't say she did it... Yeah. Exactly.

 

[Aximili86]

Jesus Christ. You can't be too familiar with how PR works.

Language is important. She's acknowledging the former views and posts, without exposing herself explicitly to the inevitable crackdown from her audience & sponsors. Which is fine, it's the best move she has right now after messing up her handling of it for the last couple of weeks - leaves her an out, but she's addressing it. An apology without an apology, no different to what the guys have been pulling with the sexual harassment stuff.

 

[BestGirl]

Because she flat-out admits she's posted offensive stuff in the past that would cause people to not believe her indignant victimization, and she acknowledges there's nothing substantive to the hacking thing outside of her own feelings on the matter. She doesn't want the FBI looking into it and coming back with a "nope, no digital inteference to speak of", because she'd be up **** creek with her employer more than she is now.

Reasonable people read through the lines here. She's saying she did it, without saying she did it. Which is fine, you can't blame her for that, it's not something she should lose her job over.

Point is, she should have just acknowledged it from the start, apologized, said she's changed in a decade-plus.

Exactly. It reminds me of Ken Starr, who was president of Baylor during the school's sex scandal. A former student sent him an email saying that she'd been raped while attending there, but Starr did nothing about it. When the media began to pressure Starr, he admitted that he might have read the email, but couldn't remember having done so. IOW, he knew it could be proven that the email was on his computer and had probably been marked as read, but he also knew that no one could prove he remembered having read it. It was the only argument he could possibly make to save face.

Anyway, this Joy Reid ***** ought to be fired, not so much for the homophobic remarks but for her attempts to mislead her employers and the public. No one's going to take anything she says seriously after this. MSNBC is probably already looking into a replacement.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jesus Christ. You can't be too familiar with how PR works.

Language is important. She's acknowledging the former views and posts, without exposing herself explicitly to the inevitable crackdown from her audience & sponsors. Which is fine, it's the best move she has right now after messing up her handling of it for the last couple of weeks - leaves her an out, but she's addressing it. An apology without an apology, no different to what the guys have been pulling with the sexual harassment stuff.

Language is important. Which is why she avoids admitting writing those things, while admitting writing other things. She does not associate herself with those things specifically. Language matters.

Not that I believe her. But that is the issue at hand.

 

[Lily Adler]

Why the **** is this thread in here?

 

[Aximili86]

Because it's in the news? Like all the sexual harassment and cop abuse stuff? Just because it's an issue you don't want to hear about, doesn't mean it's unwarranted.

And no, BestGirl, she shouldn't be fired over this. She should have been if she'd kept up the hacking lie and wanting the FBI looking into it and they came back with a "negatory, you lie", but she didn't. She backed off after a couple of days to think about it, and did as close to the right thing as she could without being so blunt as to have people demanding her sponsors drop the show.

Don't take it to that sort of extreme here. Should she have been vetted more thoroughly by MSNBC in the first place way back when before being hired? Maybe. But you don't fire her now.

 

[Doug_Moore]

Why apologize if you didn't do it?

 

[Lily Adler]

I think this should be in the Politics thread.