The WWE Universe Doesn't Know That There's A Wrestling Thread - Part 28

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BlackLantern said:
Bull. ****. drag it out...if he can throw all manner of insults at HHH and Steph, but oh no we can't talk about the Rocks divorce?? oh but its ok because we don't like Steph

that's called being a hypocrite
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Divorce is never good on kids. Thats why it should be left alone. Hunter and Stephanie's kids weren't affected by something like that. Hunter and Stehpnaies Marraige has been made part of the storyline. Considering the power they Both wield in WWE they got nobody to blame but themselves for that.

Rocks ex wife and kid were NEVER used as part of the show as far as I know and shouldn't have to deal with it without some kind of say so. Stephanie head of creative. She's got nobody to blame but herself for being made fun of on tv.

Its the same reason people rightly blasted TNA over the Jarrett/Angle marriage stuff.

Rocks kid shouldn't have to go to school and hear jokes about how her family got torn apart.

I'd expect even you to have more creativity than Vince Russo.
 
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Lunar_Wolf said:
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Loved this segment with The Rock!
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Didn't like this one at all. He basically buried John Cena's gimmick and him as a wrestler. John Cena made up for it by killing him on the mic the week before WM.
 
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if Punk and the WWE wants to "shake things up", that means pushing to the edge and maybe over it on occasion

like I said, if they can use the death of Jerry Lawlers mother in a second tier storyline, Punk should be able to use that if he crosses paths with the Rock
 
BlackLantern said:
if Punk and the WWE wants to "shake things up", that means pushing to the edge and maybe over it on occasion

like I said, if they can use the death of Jerry Lawlers mother in a second tier storyline, Punk should be able to use that if he crosses paths with the Rock
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That wasn't ANY kind of good thing. It didn't even help the story. It was just a horrible idea that people wanted to see end. You aren't helping your case by using that example.

Plus Lawler OKed it. Shouldn't the Rocks family get same same chance? I highly doubt they 'd want to be used in a storyline because they've never tried to get on screen before as "characters."

Its Russo booking.

Joking about the Rocks divorce takes them off course of the product when there's other things Rock has done as part of the business that are far more relevant. Like the fact that he said he'd NEVER EVER leave again...then promptly left for a few months to do stuff in Hollywood.

Or the fact that he makes fun of Cena for what he wears but will easily dress up as a gay Cowboy in Be Cool for a paycheck.

Shaking things up means asking why the hell a guy who hasn't been around for the majority of the last 7 years gets a main event spot at Wrestlemania and calling him out on it.

Everybody else usually has to work hard to get there or win the Rumble and The Rock just decrees that he's in the main event of Wrestlemania? I mean storyline wise I get it since personally i know its just part of the show but if Punk is going to be questioning authority he should be asking about that.
 
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To be honest I don't think there isn't really anywhere Vince won't go with a stroyline if it makes him a few extra buck.

Some of the stuff the WWE has done in the past has been pretty close to the line if not over it
 
there was a contingent of National Guard troops there and a rep from the National Guard filed a complaint
 
Saying the Rock got his chances in WWE as a sure pegged star thanks in part to nepotism seems far more like something Cena or Punk would blast Rock for.

The Rock grew up with connections to get in while other people had to make it the hard way. Thats not what I believe but someone challenging The Rock could easily cite that and its a valid question
 
Metallo said:
That wasn't ANY kind of good thing. It didn't even help the story. It was just a horrible idea that people wanted to see end. You aren't helping your case by using that example.

Plus Lawler OKed it. Shouldn't the Rocks family get same same chance? I highly doubt they 'd want to be used in a storyline because they've never tried to get on screen before as "characters."

Its Russo booking.

Joking about the Rocks divorce takes them off course of the product when there's other things Rock has done as part of the business that are far more relevant. Like the fact that he said he'd NEVER EVER leave again...then promptly left for a few months to do stuff in Hollywood.

Or the fact that he makes fun of Cena for what he wears but will easily dress up as a gay Cowboy in Be Cool for a paycheck.

Shaking things up means asking why the hell a guy who hasn't been around for the majority of the last 7 years gets a main event spot at Wrestlemania and calling him out on it.

Everybody else usually has to work hard to get there or win the Rumble and The Rock just decrees that he's in the main event of Wrestlemania? I mean storyline wise I get it since personally i know its just part of the show but if Punk is going to be questioning authority he should be asking about that.
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The thing about Punk is that he can be very edgy and cross lines without being tasteless. Me personally I'd rather see him talk about how Rock constantly makes fun of Cena for his bright purple shirts but is wearing one himself in a video on here.
 
BlackLantern said:
that would work too
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Rocks a "Legacy" member of the WWE fraternity going all the way back to his grandfather while Punk was lambasted as "King of the Indies."

Theres loads of stuff someone could use in their arsenal against the Rock thats actually relevant to the show.

As far as what Cena wears...people in glass houses should not throw stones.

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As for what the Rock can say about Cena. He already beat Hulk Hogans a** ten years ago so why should he have to do it again?

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Watching the Nash Legends Of Wrestling roundtable. pretty interesting to see the group of Mean Gene, JR, Hayes, JJ Dillon, and Nash discuss the mid 90's was between WWF and WCW.

I'd already heard to story about how WCW offered Hall and Nash 800,000 extra dollars a year to sign hard contracts immediately after JR made the announcement about "Razor" and "Diesel" returning to Raw.

Didn't know Sting was offered the spot as the "third man" when Hogan initially turned it down. I don't think Sting would have worked and thankfully it unfolded just the way it did with The Crow Sting.

I know another early idea was to bring in Bret Hart as "the third man" in the NWO while he was renegotiating his contract with WWF in 96.

I think Hogan was just the perfect choice for a lot of reasons. Hart and Sing just wouldn't have worked as well.

Hogan offered the group two things Sting and Hart offered separately
 
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Ah..loved how JR looked right at Nash when discussing Nash beating Goldberg.

Now they're asking Nash about the fingerpoke of doom.
 
it probably just got real awkward in there....the one with Eric Bischoff was really informative and cool and one of my favorites
 
Oh yeah. You can see Nash just sitting back and sizing up what people are saying. And everybodies real careful not to directly call Nash out on his involvement but...everybody at that table has been around a long time to know whats going on.

now Nash is going into denial mode. Don't care what Nash says HE never should have been the guy to break the streak.

Nash's explanation is that they wanted to reintegrate the NWO to be a heel machine to feed to Goldberg. But Goldberg was stupid and punched a window and sliced his damn arm open. THAT part is true. he was stupid to do that.

But Nash's excuse still sounds REAL flimsy. The fingerpoke of doom was still a bad idea. If they were going to do what Nash wanted it should have been done another way because after Hogan "beat" Nash people felt ripped off. We'll never know what would have gone down if Goldberg hadn't injured himself.
 
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Now JR is doing it AGAIN. Criticizing creative control while Nash is sitting right there! I remember him criticizing Hall and Nash before on another LOW so this is pretty funny.

Now Nash is complaining about guys not trying as hard because they had guaranteed money...even though he didn't work the last Nitro because he admitted "why should he?"

Bischoffs priorities were all f***ed up. Shouldn't have been so obsessed with killing the WWF.
 
I think they were both,....he was charged with making WCW number 1.....and then as they got successful he got too much into bashing WWE and not making WCW better
 
Making fun of Arns retirement being discussed...now everybody is staring daggers at Nash! Dudes really in the hotseat. I ALMOST feel sorry for him.
 
where can you guys see the Legends Of Wrestling roundtable, we don't get wwe on demand in the uk
 
BlackLantern said:
I think they were both,....he was charged with making WCW number 1.....and then as they got successful he got too much into bashing WWE and not making WCW better
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JJ Dillon says that as soon as he came back to WCW that Bischoff asked him how much more it would take to put WWF under. Seems his agenda from almost the very beginning was to beat WWF into oblivion and thus make sure WCW stayed the number one company.

Bischoffs theory was that if they crushed WWE they'd be number 1 by default. Which is true but they could have been number one without trying to put the other guy out of business. WWE's proved that.

I do think that after a while Bischoff totally lost sight of how to create a good product whether he wanted to kill off the WWF or not. The company had a lot of turmoil behind the scenes by 1999 but even before that things were getting out of control.

WWE's inherited a lot of WCW's bad habits like finalizing stuff at the last minute. The big difference though is that theres clearly one man in charge in WWE.
 
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