The Xbox One - Part 6

[ProjectPat2280]

ya, that's why I put angry emoticons there. why the **** does LAST gen get the real good games and ps4 is stuck with indie ****? not that these games are bad, but damn... come on

Ah yea I got ya. I don't know, its frustrating though. Im assuming its just because both consoles libraries are so shallow and the publishers of these games haven't given them the go ahead to release some of their titles for free.

 

[BlackFox]

Yeah this new gen hasnt really got going yet, next year it really needs to kick on and I think will, but its probably part of the reason why so many "remakes" of classics are being re-released this year, GTA V, Halo compilation, Sleeping Dogs. Seems an easy way just to get the numbers up on the current gens.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Ah yea I got ya. I don't know, its frustrating though. Im assuming its just because both consoles libraries are so shallow and the publishers of these games haven't given them the go ahead to release some of their titles for free.

you're talking about xbone and ps4 right? because the ps3 and 360 combined have probably over 2,000 games.

and honestly, everything coming to ps3 should automatically be available for ps4. we dropped the $400 to upgrade, we should be getting special treatment.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Some of things available for PS3 don't exist for PS4 to carry over. This is just the beginning drought. Every gen goes through them where they either have a small amount of games or a period of forgettable ones. You either have to have patience or wait. Otherwise you're just in for grief.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Yeah this new gen hasnt really got going yet, next year it really needs to kick on and I think will, but its probably part of the reason why so many "remakes" of classics are being re-released this year, GTA V, Halo compilation, Sleeping Dogs. Seems an easy way just to get the numbers up on the current gens.

Yea, its deff been slow going, but as others have said, thats not really anything new for the start of a console life cycle. For me, the drought ends in like 3 weeks. After that theres at least one or two games im really looking forward hitting every month all the way up until Feb.

you're talking about xbone and ps4 right? because the ps3 and 360 combined have probably over 2,000 games.

Yea, just the new consoles.

 

[Havok83]

This gen just started. You can't expect them to be giving away essentially new games. It'd be nice, sure, but it's not realistic.

While I kind of agree with you, but to add to his point, I really don't see what the difference is between giving away NBA 2K14 free on the PS3 and not the PS4? Both cost the same so its not like they'd be losing money by offering the PS4 version.

 

[Tron Bonne]

If I were to guess, I would guess it probably had something to do with a licensing issue. Maybe right now third parties are charging more to put those titles up on the PS4 than the PS3. I really don't know, but that would be my guess

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

If I were to guess, I would guess it probably had something to do with a licensing issue. Maybe right now third parties are charging more to put those titles up on the PS4 than the PS3. I really don't know, but that would be my guess

how much more though? assuming all last gen games are not $10 cheaper, the difference in buying said games isn't huge, so what type of licensing bars them for making it free on Ps4?

 

[Tron Bonne]

There are licensing agreements between Sony (or MS or Nintendo) and third parties when putting content up on a digital service. This is one reason why things don't just carry over from the PS3's PSN to the PS4's (or XBL or VC).

Like I said, though, I don't know how it works exactly. I'm just speculating.

 

[Havok83]

There are licensing agreements between Sony (or MS or Nintendo) and third parties when putting content up on a digital service. This is one reason why things don't just carry over from the PS3's PSN to the PS4's (or XBL or VC).

Like I said, though, I don't know how it works exactly. I'm just speculating.

That's more bc the PS4 isn't backwards compatible with the PS3. Ditto on MS

 

[Tron Bonne]

They are both reasons (as I said, one reason).

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I wonder why the xbone isn't bc. the 360 was fully bc and it wasn't any more expensive than the ps3 was.

 

[Travesty]

It wasn't fully BC, but it was pretty close.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I didn't think it was that close. I thought they gave up patching in Xbox titles early on.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I didn't think it was that close. I thought they gave up patching in Xbox titles early on.

They did and even the list of titles that worked had some big omissions.

I can understand why the 360 didnt really push it, I mean there weren't that many Xbox's out there, but this go round, different story. Theres a ton of 360 users and id think that offering BC would be a way to get a lot of those guys to make the jump. I mean i know plenty of ppl who haven't made the next gen leap, simply because they still have a ton of stuff they've yet to play on the last gen consoles.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I wonder why the xbone isn't bc. the 360 was fully bc and it wasn't any more expensive than the ps3 was.

For several reasons. Back when the Xbox division was run by complete ass clowns, they didn't care about adding in backwards compatibility because they really didn't view the Xbox One as a video game console. To quote Don Mattrick "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards." I think that backwards compatibility would have been included if Phil Spencer were in charge of the division when it was in the thinking stages.

There is also the matter of cost. Because games are getting more and more complicated and advanced, the Xbox One would have most likely required Xbox 360 parts in order to effectively play Xbox 360 games. Pure software emulation of Xbox 360 games is still years away from being decent. Microsoft brass most likely didn't want to absorb the extra costs of backwards compatibility and with the Kinect sensor already adding $100 to the price tag, I doubt they could have gotten away with passing the extra money of the Xbox 360 parts onto consumers.

And there's also the matter of technology, Microsoft has come out stating that because the Xbox One's architecture is completely different than that of the Xbox 360, there are a lot of challenges associated with bringing backwards compatibility to the Xbox One. With the Xbox One, Microsoft transitioned away from the PowerPC architecture that powered the Xbox 360, back to the x86 architecture that was used in the original Xbox. The CPU is different, the memory is different, the operating system is different.

That said, Microsoft is currently looking into bringing backwards compatibility of Xbox 360 games onto the Xbox One the same way Sony is rumored to be bringing PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games onto the PlayStation 4. I would be surprised if they didn't include Xbox games as well.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Of course, another reason I believe is that they and other companies have seen a lot of profit via remasters. It's not a leap at all to think BC would cut into those projects. That's the main reason I'm skeptical that we'll really ever get full BC patched in. Too much easy money to be made with remaster.

 

[Doc Ock]

I'd definitely be more interested in an Xbox One if it was backwards compatible with 360 games.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Of course, another reason I believe is that they and other companies have seen a lot of profit via remasters. It's not a leap at all to think BC would cut into those projects. That's the main reason I'm skeptical that we'll really ever get full BC patched in. Too much easy money to be made with remaster.

Yea thats a good point.

 

[hippie_hunter]

But the vast majority of games are not going to get HD Remasters. Sure you're going to get your major franchises like Metal Gear, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider remastered, but you're not going to see games like Psychonauts get remastered. Not only that but the majority of HD remasters actually put in the effort of to add in more value to where sometimes it's actually worth rebuying the games and a lot of these games are out of print that get harder and harder to find in a traditional retail store.

Backwards compatibility and HD remasters can easily co-exist hand in hand.

 

[Havok83]

But the vast majority of games are not going to get HD Remasters. Sure you're going to get your major franchises like Metal Gear, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider remastered, but you're not going to see games like Psychonauts get remastered. Not only that but the majority of HD remasters actually put in the effort of to add in more value to where sometimes it's actually worth rebuying the games and a lot of these games are out of print that get harder and harder to find in a traditional retail store.

Backwards compatibility and HD remasters can easily co-exist hand in hand.

Yeah the big games will get remastered but they don't need to do remasters in order to re-sell the game. As long as they can sell it to you digitally and that being the only way to get access to it on the new system, there is incentive to keep B/C out

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Backwards compatibility and HD remasters can easily co-exist hand in hand.

Sure they can, but why go through the trouble of doing BC when you can just re release popular franchises and charge for them again?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

For several reasons. Back when the Xbox division was run by complete ass clowns, they didn't care about adding in backwards compatibility because they really didn't view the Xbox One as a video game console. To quote Don Mattrick "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards." I think that backwards compatibility would have been included if Phil Spencer were in charge of the division when it was in the thinking stages.

There is also the matter of cost. Because games are getting more and more complicated and advanced, the Xbox One would have most likely required Xbox 360 parts in order to effectively play Xbox 360 games. Pure software emulation of Xbox 360 games is still years away from being decent. Microsoft brass most likely didn't want to absorb the extra costs of backwards compatibility and with the Kinect sensor already adding $100 to the price tag, I doubt they could have gotten away with passing the extra money of the Xbox 360 parts onto consumers.

And there's also the matter of technology, Microsoft has come out stating that because the Xbox One's architecture is completely different than that of the Xbox 360, there are a lot of challenges associated with bringing backwards compatibility to the Xbox One. With the Xbox One, Microsoft transitioned away from the PowerPC architecture that powered the Xbox 360, back to the x86 architecture that was used in the original Xbox. The CPU is different, the memory is different, the operating system is different.

That said, Microsoft is currently looking into bringing backwards compatibility of Xbox 360 games onto the Xbox One the same way Sony is rumored to be bringing PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games onto the PlayStation 4. I would be surprised if they didn't include Xbox games as well.

as far as costs go, xbox games probably cost as much as ps2 games and sony's always had trouble keeping bc in ps3 without having difficulty keeping costs down, so they had to do away with it. meanwhile, 360's always been having bc flawlessly.

with that "moving backwards" logic mattrick said, by that logic xbone shouldn't be playing dvds (does it?) and um, wasn't he like fired/he quit or something?

wat are these rumors you speak of? is it concerning PsNow and microsoft coming out with some sort of xbox now (which seems likely to me) or is it that sony and microsoft are gonna re-remaster games for the ps4, just like they did with several ps1 and ps2 games for the ps3?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I wonder why the xbone isn't bc. the 360 was fully bc and it wasn't any more expensive than the ps3 was.

Actually, from what I've been told by people who know more about this sort of stuff than I do, the Xbone isn't BC because the architecture is too different. Microsoft actually tried BC, with limited success, apparently. Or if they were successful, they've kept it to themselves.

The 360 had some serious emulation problems as well (some, less popular games can't be played on it), and even popular titles have issues. The early PS3's weren't emulating, they actually had PS2 parts in them. Though apparently the Slim, can brute force emulate PS2 games, with considerable modding (and from what little I read, it's not an exact science).

What is interesting – though probably only I care – is that the Xbone and PS4 are both powerful enough to brute force emulate Xbox and PS2 games.

But, there's really no reason why they would make that a feature, since they want to sell those games to you again.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

So my gameplan for Fall/Winter:

EA Access
Madden 15 (digital, my one Madden purchase of this gen)
Destiny (digital)
Forza Horizon 2 (digital)
Ori and the Blind Forest (digital)
Alien: Isolation (physical, trade towards next)
The Evil Within (physical, trade towards next)
Sunset Overdrive (physical, trade towards next)
COD: Advanced Warfare (physical, trade towards Xbox gift card)
Resident Evil HD (digital)
GTA5 (digital)
Halo: MCC (digital)
The Crew (digital)
Dragon Age: Inquisition (digital)

So 13 games total, 9 digital. Just keep trading in the physical games for the next one then get a gift card at the end of the line. I wonder if I'll be able to beat Alien, Evil Within, Sunset and COD by the end of the year though. I'm sure all of their campaigns are less than 10 hours each.