The Xbox One - Part 7

[Havok83]

so, really, what is the difference between 900p vs 1080p?

I mean, on a big screen hdtv, can you really tell the difference between the two?

and, it's my understanding the X1 "upscales" the resolution anyways? or is that not the case?

on a small screen no, but the bigger the tv, the more noticeable it is. Most probably wouldn't be able to pick out a difference between 900 and 1080 unless they were placed side by side

The higher a game's native resolution, the sharper the image is. Lower res content will tend to look more blurry with washed out colors on a large screen.

For comparison sake, I play MGSV on my One on my 39" and it's rendered at 900p, I've played a friend's MGSV on his PS4 on his 32" and it's rendered at full 1080p. Put'em side-by-side, and I couldn't tell you the difference between them. I'm sure at some screen size you can tell a difference, but unless you're going really big, I wouldn't worry about it.

Oh, and I'm not sure how upscaling works, but I've always heard it's never as good as something that is natively rendered at that resolution.

At 32'' that is too small. I bet you'd notice the difference if you played it on a set comparable in size to your own or larger

Its not. That difference is quite apparent in all those PS2 HD remasters. The HD remasters with native resolution of 1080p look a hell of a lot better than a BC PS3 upscaling the original 480i image to 1080p

 

[X Knight]

on a small screen no, but the bigger the tv, the more noticeable it is. Most probably wouldn't be able to pick out a difference between 900 and 1080 unless they were placed side by side

The higher a game's native resolution, the sharper the image is. Lower res content will tend to look more blurry with washed out colors on a large screen.

ah. I see. thanks.

how bout on a 40" screen? would the difference be noticeable?

 

[Travesty]

I can't on my 40", but I can on my friends 60".

Just look for videos that have 720 vs 1080 comparisons, and watch it on your TV.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Why would they say yes? So people could wait and not buy the current console on the market?

because they would be LYING otherwise. Lying is not cool, it doesn't matter to me who or what.

They do, no question about it. Upper management likes to keep everything close to the vest and they want to announce things on their schedule, even when the rest of world knows what's going on.

so **** em for that

 

[X Knight]

I can't on my 40", but I can on my friends 60".

Just look for videos that have 720 vs 1080 comparisons, and watch it on your TV.

thanks.

 

[Iceman]

Resolution differences like 900p to 1080p will be noticeable on a film projector or a huge TV, hardly at all on a normal sized TV. You're talking about 1 1/3 times as many pixels. There are many who claim not even to be able to tell the difference with 4k which is 4 times as many pixels as 1080p on regular sized screens so this is nothing to worry about unless you are an A/V enthusiast with 20/20 vision and a huge TV.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

according to reviewtechusa, the xbone can't do 4K, but wikipedia lists that as the xbone's highest resolution. so in theory, can there be xbone games with a native 4K resolution?

I know that sounds kind of ridiculous since the xbone struggles to get just to 1080p, but it does get there so it's possible, so shouldn't it be possible to go beyond that as well?

 

[Iceman]

Getting there doesn't mean anything anyway if you can't play a game. There are 8k tech demos showing what pcs might be able to do in future but they can run at a max 1 or 2 frames per second and that's with 4 of the best video cards available all in one pc! t:

There won't be any console 4k gaming this gen but we should eventually be able to watch native 4k films and 4k video like youtube through it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Getting there doesn't mean anything anyway if you can't play a game. There are 8k tech demos showing what pcs might be able to do in future but they can run at a max 1 or 2 frames per second and that's with 4 of the best video cards available all in one pc! t:

There won't be any console 4k gaming this gen but we should eventually be able to watch native 4k films and 4k video like youtube through it.

in theory though, if developers had the resources to make a 4k console game, and the gamer had a 4KTV, there could be a native 4K xbone game yeah?

 

[Iceman]

in theory though, if developers had the resources to make a 4k console game, and the gamer had a 4KTV, there could be a native 4K xbone game yeah?

No, the hardware of the consoles is not powerful enough. You need a top pc with preferably more than one good graphics card to get a playable frame rate. Now that's too expensive for most but the price comes down every year while the console hardware will be the same in 7 or 8 years or whenever the generation ends.

 

[Havok83]

in theory though, if developers had the resources to make a 4k console game, and the gamer had a 4KTV, there could be a native 4K xbone game yeah?

sure if you're talking Tetris and Pong. The X1 cant even 1080p on a consistent basis. The 4K is more about movie applications, not gaming

 

[Iceman]

I had planned on using a current gen console for 4k films when they become widely available but that was before I saw how large the downloads would be and how small the default hard drives would be. You'll probably be able to stream 4k Netflix on them in the not too distant future but that will have to compromise on quality due to compression.

 

[X Knight]

my mind ( or eyes ) can't even comprehend 4K......lol.

so, the X1 supports 4K........does the PS4?

 

[Travesty]

No, no system supports 4k. There's barely anything that does.

 

[Iceman]

They support it for video playback but not for games.

 

[X Knight]

ah. I see.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

sure if you're talking Tetris and Pong. The X1 cant even 1080p on a consistent basis. The 4K is more about movie applications, not gaming

xbone can do 1080p though, the fact that it can get there at all means it's possible, just more difficult for developers. just like it was more difficult for developers to make multiplatform games run and look as good on the Ps3 as on the 360, but it wasn't impossible.

No, the hardware of the consoles is not powerful enough. You need a top pc with preferably more than one good graphics card to get a playable frame rate. Now that's too expensive for most but the price comes down every year while the console hardware will be the same in 7 or 8 years or whenever the generation ends.

are you suggesting that resolution of games are directly tied to the graphics cards inside of them?

so that it is straight impossible to have a 4K xbone game even though xbone supports the resolution

No, no system supports 4k. There's barely anything that does.

4k is listed as the xbone's highest resolution. ps4's is 1080p.

 

[Iceman]

It's like you said above, the X1 isn't 1080p across the board as things stand. It could be but it would have to give up something somewhere else most likely frame rates. So it could have every game at 1080p but some might be 60, some 25 frames per second. If you tried the same game at 4k you'd be getting maybe 2 frames a second. Cool if you want to watch beautiful video game stills but not if you want to play a game involving motion of any kind. . Like I said 8k is possible on pcs and they did a tech demo with I think max 2FPS and that setup would have cost 5 figures! In 30/40 years that might even be affordable. t:

 

[Travesty]

I'm talking about gaming. The X1 can't do 4k.

 

[Havok83]

xbone can do 1080p though, the fact that it can get there at all means it's possible, just more difficult for developers. just like it was more difficult for developers to make multiplatform games run and look as good on the Ps3 as on the 360, but it wasn't impossible.

are you suggesting that resolution of games are directly tied to the graphics cards inside of them?

so that it is straight impossible to have a 4K xbone game even though xbone supports the resolution


4k is listed as the xbone's highest resolution. ps4's is 1080p.

I wrote consistently. It a struggle to get 1080p on the X1. There were games that did 1080p natively last gen but those were few and far between and mainly limited to small indie stuff. If the system can not handle 1080p on a consistent basis, then it most definitely cant handle 4 times the resolution. And none of this even takes frame rate into consideration. At best you will be looking at small XBLA titles which might do that, but don't expect the next Halo in 4K

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I wrote consistently. It a struggle to get 1080p on the X1. There were games that did 1080p natively last gen but those were few and far between and mainly limited to small indie stuff. If the system can not handle 1080p on a consistent basis, then it most definitely cant handle 4 times the resolution. And none of this even takes frame rate into consideration. At best you will be looking at small XBLA titles which might do that, but don't expect the next Halo in 4K

yeah but that's because it's that much HARDER for developers, but it ain't possible to be kept consistent, that's probably why they won't bother with it most of the time

 

[Havok83]

yeah but that's because it's that much HARDER for developers, but it ain't possible to be kept consistent, that's probably why they won't bother with it most of the time

which brings me back to my point. If its that hard for devs to hit 1080p at a decent frame rate, what makes you think they would be able to do 4K in those same type of titles?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I question the demand more than anything. It would be like making games optimized for curved televisions. Who's going to spend time and money developing something only 5 people will enjoy?

 

[ProjectPat2280]

because they would be LYING otherwise. Lying is not cool, it doesn't matter to me who or what.

Thats just because you don't understand the video game industry is a business and they want to make money. Its an issue a lot of gamers have, they look at the industry as something unique, when its not. Its a business. The bottom line is the bottom line.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

which brings me back to my point. If its that hard for devs to hit 1080p at a decent frame rate, what makes you think they would be able to do 4K in those same type of titles?

that goes along with what I was saying before. it's possible but just difficult. just like it was difficult for devs to make Ps3 ports run and look as good as their 360 counterparts. so they ended up halfassing them when they could've not only made them run & look as good, but even better.

they're not willing to go the extra mile probably due to costs of r&d