Themiscrya & The Amazons discussion thread

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  1. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Megan Gale as an Amazon in a future WW movie. She was originally cast as WW for the abandoned George Miller Justice League movie a few years ago. Would be cool to have her fight Gal Gadot now or at least appear alongside her if she weren't a villain.

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  2. Willi Berg On The Run

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    I felt a bit badly for Megan because she was all set to be WW and very excited. Here in Australia she appeared on shows talking about the role, then she quit modelling to get ready to start making JL: Mortal, and in her last runway they gave her a WW-inspired dress to wear, which was covered in stars...Anyway, she had a good role in Fury Road. She has a good look for a comic book movie, so I wouldn't mind seeing her in one. Someone once suggested Big Barda and I thought that idea was pretty cool.

    Here is a video I found where someone (very roughly) flips through the WW Art and Making of the Movie book:

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  3. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Big Barda would be a good role for her. She is taller than Gal too (although by just one inch). Elizabeth Debicki could've possibly played Barda since she's 6'3", but she's quite willowy, although she could potentially bulk up like Gal did. However, Gale looks more like Big Barda than Debicki.
     
  4. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    5 Wonder Woman Amazons On The Power Of Their All-Woman Army

    And how director Patty Jenkins is �a real-life Queen Hippolyta.�

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ns-all-woman-army_us_5936cc94e4b0cfcda917f13e

    For many viewers, the recently released box-office hit �Wonder Woman� could have ― and should have ― been set entirely on the women-only Amazon warrior paradise of Themyscira.

    In fact, I would have contentedly traded Chris Pine�s Steve Trevor for more time with Artemis, Antiope or Hippolyta at any given point in the film's 141 minutes. It felt profoundly satisfying to watch women of all colors, sizes, shapes and ages wield so much physical power on a humongous screen, and as the story went from Themyscira to World War I-era Western Europe, I found myself missing the women warriors and wanting to know more about them.

    Turns out, the real women beneath the armor are just as fierce as their characters.

    Ann Wolfe, Artemis

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    Ann Wolfe is considered by many to be the best female boxer in history, known in particular for her strong and unforgiving punches ― in fact, her 2007 knockout of Vonda Ward has more than a million views on YouTube.

    Wolfe told HuffPost a bit about how, after her storied boxing career, she came to be in the blockbuster hit.

    �Wonder Woman� director Patty Jenkins had approached her for the role because of her knowledge of Wolfe�s background in boxing. Jenkins' husband, Sam Sheridan, a former professional fighter himself, had long been following her career. As other women were auditioning for the role of Artemis, Jenkins kept going back to Wolfe. She eventually got the part, and was flown out to London to meet everyone before starting filming in Italy.

    "I had never been on a set," she told HuffPost. "Patty got out of the director's chat and said, "Sit down" And then Gal [Gadot] came over and looked at me and said, "Yep, that's Artemis."

    The rest, according to Wolfe, was magic. She told HuffPost that working with so many other athletic women was a gift, especially after spending so much of her boxing career being trained by and working with men.

    "It felt like we were truly Amazons," she said. "I have never been around that many strong women at one time. It was like a puzzle, and we all fit in it together. It felt like we were real, true Amazons."

    Madeleine Vall Beijner, Egeria

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    Like Wolfe, Madeleine Vall Beijner came to �Wonder Woman� from the world of professional fighting. For over 10 years, she was a world-ranked Thai boxer. After an injury took her away from her plans to transfer into MMA, she instead took her skills to stunt roles and film. The intense physical demands that she and the other Amazons went through on set were pretty standard for her skill level.

    "I'm used to training two to three times a day," Beijner told HuffPost. "The difference was in the techniques and choreography, but since I'm used to constantly learning new moves, pro-fighting translated itself pretty easily into stunt acting. I feel like I have a great base to build on from all my years taking punches and knocking people out."

    What was new for the Swedish fighter, though, was getting to do so much heavy lifting with other women.

    "It wasn't actually until �Wonder Woman� I got to be in a girl-power world. Being a female Thai and kickboxer, I�ve been in a man�s world for the last decade, so being around this many women was completely new to me,� she said.

    "I was a little nervous at first," she added, "but as soon as I arrived I just felt this ... surge of power and unity."

    Both Beijner and Wolfe talked about that bond on set, and the environment that Jenkins created to nurture it.

    "I give a lot of credit to Patty Jenkins for creating this vibe, it truly went top-down," Beijner said. "This movie is about a lot of things, but female power, wisdom and badassery is what�s at the core. And Patty managed to get that out of each and every one of us, as well as a team, or troops. Us Amazons challenged each other while training, only to push each other further and to become stronger. Beyond that, we used our fighting spirit to support each other. There were days we were so tired we could sleep standing up, but we went at it, again and again and again.�

    Doutzen Kroes, Venelia

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    Doutzen Kroes may best be known as a Victoria's Secret Angel and supermodel, but she's also trained in horseback riding ― and showed off these skills in her role as Amazon warrior Venelia.

    Kroes told HuffPost that having an equestrian background made the training a bit more natural, but it was still outrageously intense.

    "I've loved riding horses my entire life," she said. "But riding at full gallop with a weapon was challenging, but empowering and so much fun."

    She too was quick to credit Jenkins for steering the ship and allowing women to be their baddest warrior selves.

    "She is like a real-life Queen Hippolyta ― Patty set a mood that was welcoming, warm and supportive," Kroes said.

    She was also grateful for that tough-yet-maternal culture among the other Amazons. "Many of the other Amazons are also mothers, so we were all able to have our families with us during filming," she said. "It was just a very special moment to be in this gorgeous Italian paradise, shooting this historic film and iconic story and then having the opportunity to share it with so many cool women and their children ... The experience of working on Wonder Woman was something I�ve never had before."

    Brooke Ence, Penthesilea

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    Like some of the other Amazons, Brooke Ence caught the attention of the director as a professional athlete ― she's a competitive CrossFit athlete, and was scouted by film producers just before the 2015 games.

    �I got a call from Warner Bros. asking me if I would come in and read,� she told HuffPost. �I had no idea what it was for.�

    Ence told HuffPost that she initially felt conflicted about accepting the role because the filming would clash with her training schedule for the 2016 CrossFit Games.

    �I was really hesitant to [accept the role] � But it just seemed like a really great opportunity that people audition for all the time and never get,� she said. �And it literally just fell in my lap. I just couldn�t say no.�

    Because Ence was training for the CrossFit Games during filming, she felt right at home among the other athletes. In fact, she was the last Amazon that they flew out to train ― most of her training was pretty much already done, and she was already in Amazon shape. But that didn�t mean she didn�t have more to learn.

    �Everyone that was an Amazon [had] so much mental strength,� she said. �Everyone just walked with more power. They walked with this Amazonian vibe.�

    �It was a great realization of all the different types of strength. Strength for me is physical and super, super mental,� she continued. �And there, not only did I get to see and feel strength in a physical sense, but a lot of it was in attitude, and determination ... It was very empowering to be around so many different types of women with the common goal. Everyone came together as this army.�

    Samantha Jo, Euboea

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    Many have already seen Samantha Jo on film before without even knowing it. She�s worked as a body double for major Hollywood blockbusters like �The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn ― Part 2,� and �300: Rise of an Empire.�

    Jo also told HuffPost how much she loved being on set with so many ripped women who were there to play the role of warriors, especially in contrast to her experience in �300,� when she was the only woman on set with dozens of men.

    �It was really interesting to contrast the experience of working with 40 men, where I was the only woman,� she said.

    �Females just have a different kind of energy. There was this bonding that happened. I think it was probably through the suffering [from training],� she added.

    She told HuffPost how, on the first week of shooting, part of the training for the women playing Amazons was to stack weights on top of a sled and push it back and forth.

    �It was my first week, and my muscles weren�t quite developed, and I wasn�t as strong as everyone else yet,� she said.

    At one point, after about 20 seconds, she began to feel dizzy and felt herself fading.

    �All of the women in the gym ran up behind me and started yelling and cheering for me. I don�t think I would have made it had they not given me that extra push. I almost started crying [at] the love that I felt,� she said. �And that was only day three.�

    What�s abundantly clear, from Jo and the rest of the Amazons, is that �Wonder Woman� being led by Jenkins was what made the experience ― and the film itself ― so damn special.

    �The whole vibe of the set really starts from the top down,� she said. �It was interesting to get a female perspective.� Jo said that the story itself was that much better because it was told and directed by a woman.

    �Yeah, there�s a lot of action and cool moments. But at the heart of it, it�s about love and compassion and unity,� she said. �It translated so well coming from a woman�s voice. We all knew that we were going to be a part of something really special.�
     
  5. Willi Berg On The Run

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  6. Micromind New World New Rules

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  7. KRYPTON INC. Incorporated Kryptonian

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  8. Willi Berg On The Run

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  9. 04nbod I need to debrief you

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    The involvement of Zeus so heavily in the amazon's story struck me. Wasn't it the Perez version were the Amazons were the souls of abused women given the island by Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite? Women protecting women. The involvement of Zeus in this (and I believe the Nu 52) is unsettling. Its ultimate patriarchy, in fact Zeus is Diana's patriarch. It got to me a bit.
     
  10. Willi Berg On The Run

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    I understand that. I read that complaint on another forum- that WW's origin was made more Judeo-Christian.

    In the original Marston comics it was the goddess Aphrodite who created the Amazons. It was in response to Mars' (Ares) men, who were warmongering and enslaved women. Mars's men ruled with the sword, Aphrodite's Amazons conquered with love and were stronger than men. And it was Aphrodite who gave life to clay Diana.

    We didn't see the goddesses involved (not yet, anyway) and we didn't get the abused women's souls being part of the Amazons.
     
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  11. Iceman Daffy Duck Vs The Joker

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    I really hope we see more of Themyscira throughout the life of the DCEU.
     
  12. Willi Berg On The Run

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    I sure hope so.

    Another thing is that in Greek mythology Zeus is still the patriarchal figure. There are gods and goddesses but he is still the king of the gods, the all-father. Father of many of the main gods, goddesses, and demi-gods.

    But I was expecting more involvement of the goddesses.
     
  13. Micromind New World New Rules

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    I don't see how they could have entirely avoided Zeus and just concentrated on Aphrodite and Ares.
     
  14. Willi Berg On The Run

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    It would've been nice to see the goddesses, though. But the movie didn't give away much of anything anyway, regarding the gods and the Amazons. Except what we saw in those paintings.

    And Hippolyta, when she is telling the origin story in the movie to Diana says, "The gods created us, the Amazons..." Gods plural, so there is room in later movies for the goddesses and other gods to be involved besides Zeus.

    They kept the gods story quite threadbare and streamlined here, like they knew they could tell it more fully in the future. I hope so, anyway.

    Here is an excerpt from the WW novelisation:

     
  15. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    Yeah that was one thing I disliked about the movie and hope is remedied in a future sequel. The Triple A's should be discovered to be the ones who gave life to the Amazons. Ultimately Zeus gets final word but the idea and execution should be from those 3.
     
  16. Willi Berg On The Run

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    There was also the goddesses Hestia and Demeter in the Perez story.

    It was cool to see the goddesses bringing the Amazons to life and leading them to Themyscira in that story:

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    In the Wonder Woman movie origin story, it was good at least to see a couple of goddesses atop Olympus with the other gods:

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  17. metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    Like I've said elsewhere, I suspect the "its all Zeus" backstory was part of the setting bible written before Jenkins came on board. Now that she has a bona fide hit, she should get the freedom to adjust things more in the future.
     
  18. KRYPTON INC. Incorporated Kryptonian

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    It's all vague enough that it can narrative wise contain any number of new revelations in a sequel and still not contradict what this film presented.
     
  19. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    So were these paintings actually in the movie? I thought they looked a bit different to these. I don't remember this scene specifically. The paintings looked more like Renaissance paintings which were animated.
     
  20. Willi Berg On The Run

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    Yes they were. I remember this scene. But they were animated, more frames. The characters such as Zeus, Ares, Hippolyta, the crowds, moved a little, though minimally. But it was these designs, this art.

    Here's what the artist Houston Sharp said:

    https://www.facebook.com/houston.sharp
     
  21. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    Really would like to see more of the Amazons, especially Philippus. I loved seeing all the variety of Amazon outfits on the island.
     

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