BvS Theories on Why Superman and Batman Fight

[Zionite1]

Post your theories on what the conflict between Supes and Bats will be?Why do they fight?

 

[NosfeRomas]

Yo momma jokes.

 

[matt47]

^That would work brilliantly

 

[JOE]

Yo momma jokes.

You THINK you can say that about my MOTHER!?

 

[zman]

lol.

I think Bats confronts Superman and tells him he can't be sure another Kryptonian won't show up and create another mess because of Kal El's presence on earth. So he asks him to leave, calls him Clark, to make it clear he'll reveal his identity if he has to.

Superman, who in response calls him Bruce, explains he needs to stay to help reconstruct the city and protect those he cares for. So both have valid arguments and know each other's secret identity... but they won't back down, hence a fight to get their point across.

The fight will create such a mess that Wonder Woman will show up and tell them there are threats that require them to unite and not fight amongs themselves.

 

[WBwins]

Im expecting some form of a metahuman vs human war.

Lex obviously leads the human war against metas. Bats joins thee fight against metas when a bunch of metas devastate Gotham.

Supes protects the metas and trains them in a safe haven-the Gulag.

So its Supes and the Metas vs Lex,Government and Batman

Yeah Kingdom come influence

 

[kal_el_526]

I'm pretty sure it's going to be a trust issue. Batman won't trust Superman after the battle of Metropolis and so much getting destroyed. And Superman will assume that Batman is a villain or someone out to get him. I think there may be one fight between the two before they settle their differences and join together.

 

[WBwins]

I expect 3 big fights btw the two.The movie is titled Batman v Superman so its cant be a one off

 

[fangz]

It seems like framing it in all out war is maybe a little drastic. To have Batman be able to go along with a group like that seems kinda far out and not really good for the character long term. I haven't read Kingdom Come tho, so I'm not referring to that, but just the scenario you're putting forth.

It sounds like a What If? or an Elseworlds but just not good for ongoing characterization.

To me, it seems like it'd be enough to have people freaked out about the appearance of Superman and lots of people really casting him in a suspicious and untrustworthy light. From the government, the media and Luthor too, would make sense.

But it would just be this overall feeling of distrust and wariness. And Batman wouldn't be part of this, but he'd just be doing the sensible thing and suspicious himself but not all witch hunt about it. and independently prepare to maybe have to fight him if it comes to that and seek out a meeting with him.

at at this meeting, neither of them is too big on the other one in this context and things just escalate naturally to a fight. like maybe there's some other incident that makes Batman even more uneasy with these super powered people running around.

maybe we're talking about the same thing, but i think making it a 'war' is pushing it to lines that don't need to be drawn, really. or that the story would be better off for not drawing. and also it would call into question, i think, to have Batman ever allied with Luthor. he doesn't realize what's up with this guy?

Superman would have to actually be a straight up villain for Batman to go that way, I think. Batman should have a good bs detector, just in his own instincts.

 

[WBwins]

It seems like framing it in all out war is maybe a little drastic. To have Batman be able to go along with a group like that seems kinda far out and not really good for the character long term. I haven't read Kingdom Come tho, so I'm not referring to that, but just the scenario you're putting forth.

It sounds like a What If? or an Elseworlds but just not good for ongoing characterization.

To me, it seems like it'd be enough to have people freaked out about the appearance of Superman and lots of people really casting him in a suspicious and untrustworthy light. From the government, the media and Luthor too, would make sense.

But it would just be this overall feeling of distrust and wariness. And Batman wouldn't be part of this, but he'd just be doing the sensible thing and suspicious himself but not all witch hunt about it. and independently prepare to maybe have to fight him if it comes to that and seek out a meeting with him.

at at this meeting, neither of them is too big on the other one in this context and things just escalate naturally to a fight. like maybe there's some other incident that makes Batman even more uneasy with these super powered people running around.

maybe we're talking about the same thing, but i think making it a 'war' is pushing it to lines that don't need to be drawn, really. or that the story would be better off for not drawing. and also it would call into question, i think, to have Batman ever allied with Luthor. he doesn't realize what's up with this guy?

Superman would have to actually be a straight up villain for Batman to go that way, I think. Batman should have a good bs detector, just in his own instincts.

Well I imagine it like this.

Batman is despondent,weary and very angry after Jason dies.Then a bunch of out of control metas attack Gotham and cause a massive loss of life.Batman would be beyond pissed.And then Supes actively stands in his way,so Bats decides to take him down along with the metas. Pretty much in character with Batman

Bats doesnt actually ally with Lex and Government-just uses them for his own means just like he did in Kingdom come.

 

[Mysteryman]

Clark: "Bruce why did you take my Eggo"?
Bruce"Because I am The GODDDAMNED BATMAN!"

 

[fangz]

Well I imagine it like this.

Batman is despondent,weary and very angry after Jason dies.Then a bunch of out of control metas attack Gotham and cause a massive loss of life.Batman would be beyond pissed.And then Supes actively stands in his way,so Bats decides to take him down along with the metas. Pretty much in character with Batman

Bats doesnt actually ally with Lex and Government-just uses them for his own means just like he did in Kingdom come.

ok, yeah, i misunderstood your premise then. I've never read Kingdom Come so didn't know the actual relationships.
i see now.

how do you see it coming out of that situation tho? at the end of the movie, where would things be between the two of them?

 

[Destructus86]

Batman sees the destruction Superman's fight caused in Man of Steel and Batman sees these super powered beings as a threat that need to be taken down.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I think it will be the typical reason BvS has existed in other forms. Batman doesn't simply trust a being with god like power. Superman doesn't always like Batman's temperament either

 

[Chip Chipperson]

because its a selling point for little kids and casual viewers

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Batman sees the destruction Superman's fight caused in Man of Steel and Batman sees these super powered beings as a threat that need to be taken down.

That's been the consensus since BvS announcement really.

 

[fangz]

That's been the consensus since BvS announcement really.

sure, but there's a lot of room in there to speculate about different things.

 

[WBwins]

ok, yeah, i misunderstood your premise then. I've never read Kingdom Come so didn't know the actual relationships.
i see now.

how do you see it coming out of that situation tho? at the end of the movie, where would things be between the two of them?

Bats realizes that Lex manipulated the Meta attack in Gotham.He makes the difficult choice to trust Superman and the Metas.So they team up to take down Lex.

Good guys win ..Supes and Bats become unofficial partners

 

[Cooty_Cat]

I think Superman gets manipulated by the government, Luther, or his own naive sense of justice, and decides Batman is a threat to society. And Batman somehow shows Supes that everything isn't black or white.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

I think Superman gets manipulated by the government, Luther, or his own naive sense of justice, and decides Batman is a threat to society. And Batman somehow shows Supes that everything isn't black or white.

wouldn't Batman be the one who see's things as black and white where Superman can see the grey?

I mean Batman is basically the "I'm justified, your evil, so your going to jail" type and Superman is the "what is it that made you go down this path, maybe I can help you see the error of your ways" type.

If nothing else it might actually be Batman who starts the fight with Superman.

The destruction in Man Of Steel,

the fact that a lot of ppl plain out don't trust Superman being on Earth,

A campaign being led by Lex who at this point Bruce has no issues with and no reason to doubt him (just a guess), heck they may even be friends and Lex is feeding society a bunch of bull that Superman is the real threat, so Bruce backs him on it.

Maybe the government wants so of the Kryptonian tech from the Black Zero debris but Superman has taken it to his new Fortress and Batman see's this as Superman again as a threat.

There are a lot of possibilities

 

[Rowsdower!]

Because Cavill's neck.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Because Cavill's receding hairline.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Fixed that for you.

Oh and Gadot's skinny arms.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

 

[Mrs. Wayne]