There has to be more to life than...nothing

Man-Thing

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Today is my son's fith birtday.:)

He was born June 16, 2001 and I consider him my Father's Day present. Even while I was growing up as a young boy, I anxiously awaited the day when I would have my own son.

Early this morning as he lay on the couch, I gave him his "birtday hug". As I embraced him as tenderly as these calloused hand could, I told him "happy birtday", and wispered in his ear "your the best son ever". As I pulled away, I saw his brown eyes well up with tears, this ofcourse made my eyes well up, and then we both cracked a smile.

I then went and took my morning shower, a place where I think- a lot. I couldn't help but think of what just took place, and I thought how will alway remember it. As this thought ran through my head, it came to heads with a view that honestly I find troubling. Some people will say, that the event I just had with my son and the strong emotions of charity associated with it are nothing more than chemical reactions in my brain.

I say nothing could be further from the truth! The innermost part of my being tells me that the culmination of all the events that led up to my son being born on this day five years ago were supposed to happen. The loving embrace between myself (an undeserving father) and my son (the best son in the world) that happened earlier is a sign post upon my road of destiny and it says "right way". These emotins are not just mere chemical reactions in my brain, they are a part of my life, and were supposed to happen. I believe they were set in place before time began, by a loving God.

No, I'm not gonna preach Christianity to you, I'm merely asking of those that believe in essentially nothing, "Do you really believe that life has no meaning"?

I'll leave it that, my son and I have much fun planed for the day. I just felt compelled (led?) to record this moment of bliss, and share just a few thoughts with you (and I can honestly say I think the world of all of you).

One last thought though, suppose these things well call emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in our brains (or bodies-whatever, I'm not a Dr.), then what vadility do they have- or our thoughts even? If I suppose my thoughts and emotions are nothing more, then what vadility does the thought that "my thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions"?

Anyway, Happy Father's Day.:up::cool:
 
Man-Thing said:
These emotins are not just mere chemical reactions in my brain, they are a part of my life, and were supposed to happen. I believe they were set in place before time began, by a loving God.

Honestly, I would rather believe that its all a cosmic fluke that everthing is here rather than everything having been pre destined by some distant all knowing entity.

Anyway... Happy Fathers Day.
 
well chemically you're body has the exact same reaction to "love" that it does to eating chocolate.

If there's some kind of spiritual component to that, I cant tell you. But it's nice that you have moments like that with your family. In the end, what you get out of it is more important than why it happens anyway.
 
The meaning of life: plastic. Think about it. ;)

But seriously, it's love. Because without love, life has no meaning. :o
 
TheSumOfGod said:
without love, life has no meaning.
Love does not give meaning to life. Sure, love is great, but it does not offer meaning to anything but itself. Life has no meaning. None. And that's not a pessimistic or nihilistic view, or even a bad thing. Why more people can't accept it, is beyond me. What are they afraid of? It's not because there's no reason or purpose whatsoever to your existance that you couldn't just go along with it and be happy...

:confused:
 
Riven said:
Love does not give meaning to life. Sure, love is great, but it does not offer meaning to anything but itself. Life has no meaning. None. And that's not a pessimistic or nihilistic view, or even a bad thing. Why more people can't accept it, is beyond me. What are they afraid of? It's not because there's no reason or purpose whatsoever to your existance that you couldn't just go along with it and be happy...

:confused:

But that "life has no meaning" is not an irrefutable truth, it's just your personal opinion...
 
TheSumOfGod said:
But that "life has no meaning" is not an irrefutable truth, it's just your personal opinion...
Well, obviously. Just like "without love, life has no meaning" is yours. I'm just defending my point of view, wondering why more people don't agree...
 
We live to die, and yeah... that's it. At least for me. I don't see any meaning in life other than to enjoy the little time you have.
 
i don't know what the meaning of life is, but the purpose of our existence is to accumulate knowledge from past generations, further expand on this information and then pass it on to future generations to see what they can do with this....

finally when we've accumulated enough data as a species do i believe that we will be able to find meaning in our existence.

however, we aren't there yet.
 
Thats really nice. I share your sense of pride with regards to my little boy too. :up:
 
Man-Thing said:
Today is my son's fith birtday.:)

He was born June 16, 2001 and I consider him my Father's Day present. Even while I was growing up as a young boy, I anxiously awaited the day when I would have my own son.

Early this morning as he lay on the couch, I gave him his "birtday hug". As I embraced him as tenderly as these calloused hand could, I told him "happy birtday", and wispered in his ear "your the best son ever". As I pulled away, I saw his brown eyes well up with tears, this ofcourse made my eyes well up, and then we both cracked a smile.

I then went and took my morning shower, a place where I think- a lot. I couldn't help but think of what just took place, and I thought how will alway remember it. As this thought ran through my head, it came to heads with a view that honestly I find troubling. Some people will say, that the event I just had with my son and the strong emotions of charity associated with it are nothing more than chemical reactions in my brain.

I say nothing could be further from the truth! The innermost part of my being tells me that the culmination of all the events that led up to my son being born on this day five years ago were supposed to happen. The loving embrace between myself (an undeserving father) and my son (the best son in the world) that happened earlier is a sign post upon my road of destiny and it says "right way". These emotins are not just mere chemical reactions in my brain, they are a part of my life, and were supposed to happen. I believe they were set in place before time began, by a loving God.

No, I'm not gonna preach Christianity to you, I'm merely asking of those that believe in essentially nothing, "Do you really believe that life has no meaning"?

I'll leave it that, my son and I have much fun planed for the day. I just felt compelled (led?) to record this moment of bliss, and share just a few thoughts with you (and I can honestly say I think the world of all of you).

One last thought though, suppose these things well call emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in our brains (or bodies-whatever, I'm not a Dr.), then what vadility do they have- or our thoughts even? If I suppose my thoughts and emotions are nothing more, then what vadility does the thought that "my thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions"?

Anyway, Happy Father's Day.:up::cool:


It really depends on if some people are really as nihilistic as you think, and if so, why? If someone really doesn't believe in anything, there's a reason for that, and they are likely at peace with it, something that may not be easy for others to understand.
 
That was very touching, caught me off guard.


I wish I could finish my thought but I'm in Starbucks and some one has a tortue device that rattles and there is just too much talking....ugh
 
Riven said:
Well, obviously. Just like "without love, life has no meaning" is yours. I'm just defending my point of view, wondering why more people don't agree...

Well, maybe because a meaningless life would suck? And because there is so much complexity and perfection and impossible "coincidences" in the Universe that it seems evident to most that there has to be an Infinite Intelligence of sorts behind it all, and that this Infinite Intelligence has an ultimate intention for the Universe and for the human race in general, and is not just f***ing around with space, time, matter, energy and spirituality for nothing. :confused:
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
well chemically you're body has the exact same reaction to "love" that it does to eating chocolate.

If there's some kind of spiritual component to that, I cant tell you. But it's nice that you have moments like that with your family. In the end, what you get out of it is more important than why it happens anyway.

It may be the same chemically... but that just goes to show there is more to life than chemicals. I do not feel the same when I think about losing chocolate forever as I do at even momentarily contemplating the loss of my son.
 
Man-Thing said:
Today is my son's fith birtday.:)

He was born June 16, 2001 and I consider him my Father's Day present. Even while I was growing up as a young boy, I anxiously awaited the day when I would have my own son.

Early this morning as he lay on the couch, I gave him his "birtday hug". As I embraced him as tenderly as these calloused hand could, I told him "happy birtday", and wispered in his ear "your the best son ever". As I pulled away, I saw his brown eyes well up with tears, this ofcourse made my eyes well up, and then we both cracked a smile.

I then went and took my morning shower, a place where I think- a lot. I couldn't help but think of what just took place, and I thought how will alway remember it. As this thought ran through my head, it came to heads with a view that honestly I find troubling. Some people will say, that the event I just had with my son and the strong emotions of charity associated with it are nothing more than chemical reactions in my brain.

I say nothing could be further from the truth! The innermost part of my being tells me that the culmination of all the events that led up to my son being born on this day five years ago were supposed to happen. The loving embrace between myself (an undeserving father) and my son (the best son in the world) that happened earlier is a sign post upon my road of destiny and it says "right way". These emotins are not just mere chemical reactions in my brain, they are a part of my life, and were supposed to happen. I believe they were set in place before time began, by a loving God.

No, I'm not gonna preach Christianity to you, I'm merely asking of those that believe in essentially nothing, "Do you really believe that life has no meaning"?

I'll leave it that, my son and I have much fun planed for the day. I just felt compelled (led?) to record this moment of bliss, and share just a few thoughts with you (and I can honestly say I think the world of all of you).

One last thought though, suppose these things well call emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in our brains (or bodies-whatever, I'm not a Dr.), then what vadility do they have- or our thoughts even? If I suppose my thoughts and emotions are nothing more, then what vadility does the thought that "my thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions"?

Anyway, Happy Father's Day.:up::cool:

this is very touching and wonderful to read .. i do believe there is a place within us ...a place where our true happiness lies ..where our dreams are kept and realized ..where our hearts overflow .where our spirits live .. you have a beautiful memory that will last forever
 
redmarvel said:
It may be the same chemically... but that just goes to show there is more to life than chemicals. I do not feel the same when I think about losing chocolate forever as I do at even momentarily contemplating the loss of my son.

I once f***ed a piece of dark chocolate, so there. :o
 
sensi said:
this is very touching and wonderful to read .. i do believe there is a place within us ...a place where our true happiness lies ..where our dreams are kept and realized ..where our hearts overflow .where our spirits live .. you have a beautiful memory that will last forever

It's called a self-sufficient trans-dimensional matrix, or a "soul", if you prefer. It's a highly complex field of metaphysical energy, capable of maintaining thought patterns and memories even after the moment of corporial death, that transcends time and space, and that is permanently connected to all things at the most infinitesimal quantum level. God I love the new generation of pseudo-science. :o
 
redmarvel said:
It may be the same chemically... but that just goes to show there is more to life than chemicals. I do not feel the same when I think about losing chocolate forever as I do at even momentarily contemplating the loss of my son.


Chocolate only gives you that sense of euphoria when actually being consumed. Chomp down on a Hershey bar and think about it. It'll be sad.
 
Our existence to the rest of the universe is absolutely trivial. If the Earth blew up tomorrow, the rest of the universe wouldn't even know it, much less actually care.

But if you're looking for something to focus your own life on, try happiness. Make every moment in life about being happy, so long as it doesn't harm others in the process, and that's as good as you can expect to get out of this life.
 
Man-Thing said:
Today is my son's fith birtday.:)

He was born June 16, 2001 and I consider him my Father's Day present. Even while I was growing up as a young boy, I anxiously awaited the day when I would have my own son.

Early this morning as he lay on the couch, I gave him his "birtday hug". As I embraced him as tenderly as these calloused hand could, I told him "happy birtday", and wispered in his ear "your the best son ever". As I pulled away, I saw his brown eyes well up with tears, this ofcourse made my eyes well up, and then we both cracked a smile.

I then went and took my morning shower, a place where I think- a lot. I couldn't help but think of what just took place, and I thought how will alway remember it. As this thought ran through my head, it came to heads with a view that honestly I find troubling. Some people will say, that the event I just had with my son and the strong emotions of charity associated with it are nothing more than chemical reactions in my brain.

I say nothing could be further from the truth! The innermost part of my being tells me that the culmination of all the events that led up to my son being born on this day five years ago were supposed to happen. The loving embrace between myself (an undeserving father) and my son (the best son in the world) that happened earlier is a sign post upon my road of destiny and it says "right way". These emotins are not just mere chemical reactions in my brain, they are a part of my life, and were supposed to happen. I believe they were set in place before time began, by a loving God.

No, I'm not gonna preach Christianity to you, I'm merely asking of those that believe in essentially nothing, "Do you really believe that life has no meaning"?

I'll leave it that, my son and I have much fun planed for the day. I just felt compelled (led?) to record this moment of bliss, and share just a few thoughts with you (and I can honestly say I think the world of all of you).

One last thought though, suppose these things well call emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in our brains (or bodies-whatever, I'm not a Dr.), then what vadility do they have- or our thoughts even? If I suppose my thoughts and emotions are nothing more, then what vadility does the thought that "my thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions"?

Anyway, Happy Father's Day.:up::cool:

I agree wholeheartedly :up: Great post and happy belated Father's Day
 
I don't belief life has any meaning. That's not to say to it can't be given one.
 
TheSumOfGod said:
Well, maybe because a meaningless life would suck?
Why? To use a trite anaolgy: if you're going for a walk, just wandering around, with no purpose, no final destination, is it impossible to enjoy the walk for what it is? That's life: just a haphazard stroll through existence. Boring? It might be. Pointless? Definitely. But so what? It's what you make of it yourself that matters, not where you could be going to or what reason someone or something might have had for making you take the walk.

And because there is so much complexity and perfection and impossible "coincidences" in the Universe that it seems evident to most that there has to be an Infinite Intelligence of sorts behind it all, and that this Infinite Intelligence has an ultimate intention for the Universe and for the human race in general, and is not just f***ing around with space, time, matter, energy and spirituality for nothing.
I see no proof whatsoever supporting any claims of impossibility toward a supposed number of coincidences in the universe. Nor do I see any value in the fact that it seems evident to "most" that there is some kind of guiding purpose or orchestrating entity. A personal belief, even if shared by a vast majority, is only that. It doesn't provide a basis for truth or fact. I recognise that my disbelief in a guiding purpose or an "Infinite Intelligence" of sorts is also just a personal belief, but then I don't suppose that my belief is based in fact just because I have the intuitive sense that what I'm saying "seems true". The burden of proof in this matter still lies with those who believe there IS some divine plan and I think it's not unfair to suppose that until that proof is delivered, I'll remain gladly content with the notion that existence is no more than "f***ing around with space, time, matter and energy for nothing."
 
We make our own meaning, IMO. People can spend their entire lives trying to find what they call, "meaning," and how many people find it?

When all is said and done, why do our feelings and thoughts have to be validated by some higher power or chemical impulses? Depending on what you believe, you're then making yourself a meaning, a validation. Too many people try to search for some ultimate truth in life; why not accept and enjoy it? Searching can ruin lives...

Happy 5th B-Day to your son. :)
 
I don't believe in meaning to any of this, frankly.

Most of the time, it's just arbitrary, disconnected, pointless events. There is no plan. This is being made up as we go along.
 

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