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May 15, 2007

New process generates hydrogen from aluminum alloy to run engines, fuel cells
WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Researchers demonstrate method for producing hydrogen
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A Purdue University engineer has developed a method that uses an aluminum alloy to extract hydrogen from water for running fuel cells or internal combustion engines, and the technique could be used to replace gasoline.
The method makes it unnecessary to store or transport hydrogen - two major challenges in creating a hydrogen economy, said Jerry Woodall, a distinguished professor of electrical and computer engineering at Purdue who invented the process.


"The hydrogen is generated on demand, so you only produce as much as you need when you need it," said Woodall, who presented research findings detailing how the system works during a recent energy symposium at Purdue.

The technology could be used to drive small internal combustion engines in various applications, including portable emergency generators, lawn mowers and chain saws. The process could, in theory, also be used to replace gasoline for cars and trucks, he said.

Hydrogen is generated spontaneously when water is added to pellets of the alloy, which is made of aluminum and a metal called gallium. The researchers have shown how hydrogen is produced when water is added to a small tank containing the pellets. Hydrogen produced in such a system could be fed directly to an engine, such as those on lawn mowers.

"When water is added to the pellets, the aluminum in the solid alloy reacts because it has a strong attraction to the oxygen in the water," Woodall said.

This reaction splits the oxygen and hydrogen contained in water, releasing hydrogen in the process.

The gallium is critical to the process because it hinders the formation of a skin normally created on aluminum's surface after oxidation. This skin usually prevents oxygen from reacting with aluminum, acting as a barrier. Preventing the skin's formation allows the reaction to continue until all of the aluminum is used.

The Purdue Research Foundation holds title to the primary patent, which has been filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and is pending. An Indiana startup company, AlGalCo LLC., has received a license for the exclusive right to commercialize the process.

The research has been supported by the Energy Center at Purdue's Discovery Park, the university's hub for interdisciplinary research.

"This is exactly the kind of project that suits Discovery Park. It's exciting science that has great potential to be commercialized," said Jay Gore, associate dean of engineering for research, the Energy Center's interim director and the Vincent P. Reilly Professor of Mechanical Engineering.

The research team is made up of electrical, mechanical, chemical and aeronautical engineers, including doctoral students.

Woodall discovered that liquid alloys of aluminum and gallium spontaneously produce hydrogen if mixed with water while he was working as a researcher in the semiconductor industry in 1967. The research, which focused on developing new semiconductors for computers and electronics, led to advances in optical-fiber communications and light-emitting diodes, making them practical for everything from DVD players to automotive dashboard displays. That work also led to development of advanced transistors for cell phones and components in solar cells powering space modules like those used on the Mars rover, earning Woodall the 2001 National Medal of Technology from President George W. Bush.

"I was cleaning a crucible containing liquid alloys of gallium and aluminum," Woodall said. "When I added water to this alloy - talk about a discovery - there was a violent poof. I went to my office and worked out the reaction in a couple of hours to figure out what had happened. When aluminum atoms in the liquid alloy come into contact with water, they react, splitting the water and producing hydrogen and aluminum oxide.

"Gallium is critical because it melts at low temperature and readily dissolves aluminum, and it renders the aluminum in the solid pellets reactive with water. This was a totally surprising discovery, since it is well known that pure solid aluminum does not readily react with water."

The waste products are gallium and aluminum oxide, also called alumina. Combusting hydrogen in an engine produces only water as waste.

"No toxic fumes are produced," Woodall said. "It's important to note that the gallium doesn't react, so it doesn't get used up and can be recycled over and over again. The reason this is so important is because gallium is currently a lot more expensive than aluminum. Hopefully, if this process is widely adopted, the gallium industry will respond by producing large quantities of the low-grade gallium required for our process. Currently, nearly all gallium is of high purity and used almost exclusively by the semiconductor industry."

Woodall said that because the technology makes it possible to use hydrogen instead of gasoline to run internal combustion engines it could be used for cars and trucks. In order for the technology to be economically competitive with gasoline, however, the cost of recycling aluminum oxide must be reduced, he said.

"Right now it costs more than $1 a pound to buy aluminum, and, at that price, you can't deliver a product at the equivalent of $3 per gallon of gasoline," Woodall said.

However, the cost of aluminum could be reduced by recycling it from the alumina using a process called fused salt electrolysis. The aluminum could be produced at competitive prices if the recycling process were carried out with electricity generated by a nuclear power plant or windmills. Because the electricity would not need to be distributed on the power grid, it would be less costly than power produced by plants connected to the grid, and the generators could be located in remote locations, which would be particularly important for a nuclear reactor to ease political and social concerns, Woodall said.

"The cost of making on-site electricity is much lower if you don't have to distribute it," Woodall said.

The approach could enable the United States to replace gasoline for transportation purposes, reducing pollution and the nation's dependence on foreign oil. If hydrogen fuel cells are perfected for cars and trucks in the future, the same hydrogen-producing method could be used to power them, he said.

"We call this the aluminum-enabling hydrogen economy," Woodall said. "It's a simple matter to convert ordinary internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. All you have to do is replace the gasoline fuel injector with a hydrogen injector."

Even at the current cost of aluminum, however, the method would be economically competitive with gasoline if the hydrogen were used to run future fuel cells.

"Using pure hydrogen, fuel cell systems run at an overall efficiency of 75 percent, compared to 40 percent using hydrogen extracted from fossil fuels and with 25 percent for internal combustion engines," Woodall said. "Therefore, when and if fuel cells become economically viable, our method would compete with gasoline at $3 per gallon even if aluminum costs more than a dollar per pound."

The hydrogen-generating technology paired with advanced fuel cells also represents a potential future method for replacing lead-acid batteries in applications such as golf carts, electric wheel chairs and hybrid cars, he said.

The technology underscores aluminum's value for energy production.

"Most people don't realize how energy intensive aluminum is," Woodall said. "For every pound of aluminum you get more than two kilowatt hours of energy in the form of hydrogen combustion and more than two kilowatt hours of heat from the reaction of aluminum with water. A midsize car with a full tank of aluminum-gallium pellets, which amounts to about 350 pounds of aluminum, could take a 350-mile trip and it would cost $60, assuming the alumina is converted back to aluminum on-site at a nuclear power plant.

"How does this compare with conventional technology? Well, if I put gasoline in a tank, I get six kilowatt hours per pound, or about two and a half times the energy than I get for a pound of aluminum. So I need about two and a half times the weight of aluminum to get the same energy output, but I eliminate gasoline entirely, and I am using a resource that is cheap and abundant in the United States. If only the energy of the generated hydrogen is used, then the aluminum-gallium alloy would require about the same space as a tank of gasoline, so no extra room would be needed, and the added weight would be the equivalent of an extra passenger, albeit a pretty large extra passenger."

The concept could eliminate major hurdles related to developing a hydrogen economy. Replacing gasoline with hydrogen for transportation purposes would require the production of huge quantities of hydrogen, and the hydrogen gas would then have to be transported to filling stations. Transporting hydrogen is expensive because it is a "non-ideal gas," meaning storage tanks contain less hydrogen than other gases.

"If I can economically make hydrogen on demand, however, I don't have to store and transport it, which solves a significant problem," Woodall said.

Writer: Emil Venere, (765) 494-4709, venere@
 
If you hit Google Video and Youtube you'll find a number of guys who have set up water-fuel conversions in cars (basically instant hydrogen conversion from water, no hydrogen fueling station required). One guy even found a way to actually BURN water and not only was running his car off of it but had made a welding/cutting torch out of the technology. His car got something like 400 miles to the gallon of water or some insane amount of distance. It also put out steam as a byproduct, not exhaust. I assume that the big oil companies and car manufacturers are finding ways to either block these guys from marketing or patenting their inventions or buying them out. Now that Purdue is coming up with this sort of thing, I wonder if it will start to become a more pervasive technology.

jag
 
WATER!

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She was always wet.
 
OK that was over the line. :(
 
I can't scold you for that one, Mee. I just can't. :up:

jag
 
I am guessing the pellets will cost like 3 bucks each...
 
This article is dated May 15, 2007....what has happenne since then. I know one car manufacturer have shown a prototype.
 
If you hit Google Video and Youtube you'll find a number of guys who have set up water-fuel conversions in cars (basically instant hydrogen conversion from water, no hydrogen fueling station required). One guy even found a way to actually BURN water and not only was running his car off of it but had made a welding/cutting torch out of the technology. His car got something like 400 miles to the gallon of water or some insane amount of distance. It also put out steam as a byproduct, not exhaust. I assume that the big oil companies and car manufacturers are finding ways to either block these guys from marketing or patenting their inventions or buying them out. Now that Purdue is coming up with this sort of thing, I wonder if it will start to become a more pervasive technology.

jag

Assuming americans will drive 245.8 Billion Miles this year based upon this article by USAtoday that means we will now consume an additional 702.3 Million gallons of water based upon a 350 mile/gal conversion and no increase in consumption.

Yeah that wont have an effect on the planet :rolleyes:
 
Assuming americans will drive 245.8 Billion Miles this year based upon this article by USAtoday that means we will now consume an additional 702.3 Million gallons of water based upon a 350 mile/gal conversion and no increase in consumption.

Well, considering that an instant hydrogen conversion plant that burns water releases clean steam back into the atmosphere as it's main by-product, and de-salination processes are increasingly more and more efficient and cost effective, I'd say we're looking at a much more sustainable and renewable energy source than oil (not to mention much easier on the environment).

jag
 
Well, considering that an instant hydrogen conversion plant that burns water releases clean steam back into the atmosphere as it's main by-product, and de-salination processes are increasingly more and more efficient and cost effective, I'd say we're looking at a much more sustainable and renewable energy source than oil (not to mention much easier on the environment).

jag

Plus, wouldn't that all come back as rain per evaporation and the water cycle and all that ****.:huh:
 
Well, considering that an instant hydrogen conversion plant that burns water releases clean steam back into the atmosphere as it's main by-product, and de-salination processes are increasingly more and more efficient and cost effective, I'd say we're looking at a much more sustainable and renewable energy source than oil (not to mention much easier on the environment).

jag

granted but I'm still thinking solar is best overall for the future. Steam I think may still cause in overall increase in the air temperature just due to the quantity being released.

Of course now that we know Mars has water . . . .
 
Plus, wouldn't that all come back as rain per evaporation and the water cycle and all that ****.:huh:

Exactamundo, Potsy! :up:

granted but I'm still thinking solar is best overall for the future. Steam I think may still cause in overall increase in the air temperature just due to the quantity being released. Of course now that we know Mars has water . . . .

Yeah, because all the carbon pollution in the air from oil and coal has been so much better. :o

jag
 
Exactamundo, Potsy! :up:



Yeah, because all the carbon pollution in the air from oil and coal has been so much better. :o

jag

I'm not an advocate for fossil fuels either. I'm just saying these are issues that need to be evaluted before we jump to alternative power supplies.

like I said before I'd like to see more solar. Outside of the current cost there is no good reason why every home in the US couldnt have a roof covered in those. Cars could then be developed around an electric / water hybrid for distance.
 
If you hit Google Video and Youtube you'll find a number of guys who have set up water-fuel conversions in cars (basically instant hydrogen conversion from water, no hydrogen fueling station required). One guy even found a way to actually BURN water and not only was running his car off of it but had made a welding/cutting torch out of the technology. His car got something like 400 miles to the gallon of water or some insane amount of distance. It also put out steam as a byproduct, not exhaust. I assume that the big oil companies and car manufacturers are finding ways to either block these guys from marketing or patenting their inventions or buying them out. Now that Purdue is coming up with this sort of thing, I wonder if it will start to become a more pervasive technology.

jag

I'm mildly amazed that no car company has taken this and ran with it.

At this point I'd buy a car that could do this vice convert a gas burner,... U know there is a market full of irritated folk who are tired of the gas dance.

It's a good bet that the oil companies are somehow stomping on this until they can get a complete handle on providing the tech themselves.

V.
 
I'm not an advocate for fossil fuels either. I'm just saying these are issues that need to be evaluted before we jump to alternative power supplies.

like I said before I'd like to see more solar. Outside of the current cost there is no good reason why every home in the US couldnt have a roof covered in those. Cars could then be developed around an electric / water hybrid for distance.

There won't be a single solution for our energy crisis. It will come in the forms of multiple technologies. For power to our infrastructure, homes and businesses, a combination of solar and roof-top wind-turbine power all feeding into the grid would be a likely solution. Particularly now that roof mounted wind-turbines that will catch even the slightest breeze from any direction can be had for ~$2000 and are very innocuous in the rooflines, and solar panel manufacturing processes are becoming cheaper and cheaper and easier to mass produce. Imagine having these solar panels and wind-turbines on everyone's homes and businesses, feeding back into the power grid. The utility companies are now power brokers rather than companies that provide power to residential and business consumers, instead offering them a small incentive for feeding energy back into the grid for them to sell to places that need it, wherever that may be and to provide infrastructure power where it's needed.

Then you have a technology like this instant-hydrogen conversion technology for cars to handle the portable, transportation-type energy needs coming into the mix and suddenly we have sustainable, renewable, green energy sources that eliminate the need for oil and coal in a lot of parts of the world. :up:

jag
 
There won't be a single solution for our energy crisis. It will come in the forms of multiple technologies. For power to our infrastructure, homes and businesses, a combination of solar and roof-top wind-turbine power all feeding into the grid would be a likely solution. Particularly now that roof mounted wind-turbines that will catch even the slightest breeze from any direction can be had for ~$2000 and are very innocuous in the rooflines, and solar panel manufacturing processes are becoming cheaper and cheaper and easier to mass produce. Imagine having these solar panels and wind-turbines on everyone's homes and businesses, feeding back into the power grid. The utility companies are now power brokers rather than companies that provide power to residential and business consumers, instead offering them a small incentive for feeding energy back into the grid for them to sell to places that need it, wherever that may be and to provide infrastructure power where it's needed.

Then you have a technology like this instant-hydrogen conversion technology for cars to handle the portable, transportation-type energy needs coming into the mix and suddenly we have sustainable, renewable, green energy sources that eliminate the need for oil and coal in a lot of parts of the world. :up:

jag

I agree. It appears as though we were debating semantics about how to reach this exact end solution.
 

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