they killed jean and cured magneto?

[DJSCARLET]

what the hell was brett rattner thinking? i dont get it really, they cured magneto a villian who had tried to kill not only them but thousands of others too, but they killed jean? their friend and teammate. yeah i know she was crazy, but they could have found some way to cure her. you would think they would want to kill magneto.

 

[Mister J]

*looks at calendar*

 

[the a1ant]

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Well, Jean was 'killed' in the comics Phoenix saga, so I guess it ties into that. Really...after all the crap she pulled, I don't see how she would've stayed alive at the end of X3. If they didn't kill her, she prob would've killed herself

With Magneto...I don't know. Mags being cured would be better torture, I guess

 

[BMM]

I think a lot of people unfamiliar with the comic book believe Jean would have been cured, and that makes sense. It seems like such an obvious setup--a former friend and teammate wreaks havoc due to her recently unearthed superpowers, while a cure for such superpowers is simultaneously revealed.

If it's any consolation to the thread starter, Jean Grey's teammates don't kill her in the original storyline. She stops herself because no one else can.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think a lot of people unfamiliar with the comic book believe Jean would have been cured, and that makes sense. It seems like such an obvious setup--a former friend and teammate wreaks havoc due to her recently unearthed superpowers, while a cure for such superpowers is simultaneously revealed.

If it's any consolation to the thread starter, Jean Grey's teammates don't kill her in the original storyline. She stops herself because no one else can.

Well, yes...and no. Jean's teammates do TRY to kill her in the original storyline. In the battle on the moon, Cyclops brings down a million tonnes of masonry on top of her..but she survives it. I believe Storm also tries something too...

Also, curing Jean of her POWERS would not remove the Phoenix PERSONALITY that was created as a by-product of Xavier's meddling. Nor would it absolve Jean/Phoenix of the crimes she had committed against Cyclops, Xavier, and hundreds of soldiers, not to mention the damage caused. She'd have to stand trial and would possibly be sent to an asylum if not prison.

 

[November Rain]

i think it was obvious from the end of the film that the cure isn't actually permanent

 

[Farren]

yeah, it never made any sense to me why wolverine didn't try to stab jean with the needles like magneto.

i guess it could be argued that jean was too powerful - but considering that she couldn't stop logan from approaching her in the first place, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch for this creative team

 

[ToriL90]

It wasn't that she couldn't stop him: she was just testing him. When he proved to be too weak to reach her or didn't care about her enough or whatever was going through her darkened mind, she was going to atomize him like she did Xavier. When he proved he was strong enough and did love her enough to take her attacks and reach her anyway, it touched her deeply enough to weaken the Phoenix's hold and let Jean come out again. It was a brief instant, though. If she had seen him reach for a cure needle, she would have gone right back to Phoenix and killed him. If, before his journey to her began, she saw or sensed him pick up a needle, she would've atomized him then and there, 'cause the Phoenix was NOT going to be controlled. The Phoenix would rather be killed than controlled. The Phoenix works in absolutes: absolute power, absolute power, absolute rage, and an absolute end to it all. I suspect that, even if Logan won those 10,000,000 to 1 odds and did cure her, she would have subsequently killed herself and, if she were the Phoenix and not Jean at the time, possibly him.

 

[X-Maniac]

yeah, it never made any sense to me why wolverine didn't try to stab jean with the needles like magneto.

i guess it could be argued that jean was too powerful - but considering that she couldn't stop logan from approaching her in the first place, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch for this creative team

Oh dear. You obviously missed the part where she atomised all the cure needles fired at her by the troops, and then proceeded to atomise all the soldiers.

Do you think a few needles would have stood up to the destructive energies that removed Wolverine's skin, flesh and clothes?

Plus, as I said already if you'd bothered to read it, even if she had been jabbed with the cure, it wouldn't remove her split personality that had formed in her mind. She'd still have the evil Phoenix persona in her head. And she'd have to face the consequences of everything she had done - all the deaths, all the damage to property.

What on earth did you think? That she'd allow a needle into her arm and then skip back to the mansion and make everyone a coffee?

 

[BMM]

Also, curing Jean of her POWERS would not remove the Phoenix PERSONALITY that was created as a by-product of Xavier's meddling. Nor would it absolve Jean/Phoenix of the crimes she had committed against Cyclops, Xavier, and hundreds of soldiers, not to mention the damage caused.

Very true… but I think most people unfamiliar with the original storyline still find it odd that, rather than attempt to cure Jean to stop the immediate threat, they just decide to kill her.

She'd have to stand trial and would possibly be sent to an asylum if not prison.

You would think… or she could simply follow Magneto and walk away from the crime scene scot-free (so to speak).

Do you think a few needles would have stood up to the destructive energies that removed Wolverine's skin, flesh and clothes?

Yes. Wolverine was wearing his Phoenix proof pants.

 

[X-Maniac]

Very true… but I think most people unfamiliar with the original storyline still find it odd that, rather than attempt to cure Jean to stop the immediate threat, they just decide to kill her.

Those would be the same people who asked why Jean got off the plane in X2.


*** And, in fact, I can confirm they are the same people. I remember a woman at work immediately and angrily shrieking 'Why didn't they cure her!?' when i asked what she thought of X3. The same woman --- and several other people at work --- all kept saying 'Why did Jean get off the plane' when they were discussing X2.

 

[ToriL90]

Yes. Wolverine was wearing his Phoenix proof pants.

Lol that was so silly, that his shirt was completely destroyed but his pants were completely in-tact. I know that nudity wouldn't have worked in that scene, nor would I want it, but they could have at least made the clothes a little more consistent. They could have tattered the waist line, put a little rip or two around the hips, and some bigger rips around the legs. Then, to keep it more consistent, leave a couple shreds of his shirt on him. The attacks were generally directed at his upper body, so it would make sense for his shirt to be more destroyed than his pants.

Yes, I know that if you want to be technically precise, he should have been nude; but that would have just been silly and awkward.

 

[BMM]

Those would be the same people who asked why Jean got off the plane in X2.


*** And, in fact, I can confirm they are the same people. I remember a woman at work immediately and angrily shrieking 'Why didn't they cure her!?' when i asked what she thought of X3. The same woman --- and several other people at work --- all kept saying 'Why did Jean get off the plane' when they were discussing X2.

That sounds about right.

...I know that nudity wouldn't have worked in that scene, nor would I want it, but they could have at least made the clothes a little more consistent...

I agree.

 

[DJSCARLET]

i've read the phoenix saga, and i know that she dies in the comics (twice). but you would think given the chance they would cure her (yes the phoenix force would still be inside her, but she wont have powers to control anymore) instead of kill her. it's not like they followed the comics 100% anyway.

 

[BMM]

I understand what you're saying, and I think it makes sense. In fact, I think there are a lot of people who feel the same way... but I think I would ultimately have to side with November Rain and X-Maniac. Even though curing Jean would resolve the immediate crisis, it wouldn't resolve the long-term problems of allowing Jean to live. She would be stuck with a murderous dual personality (until potentially fixed) and be forced to live with the guilt of the horrible things Phoenix did. Hell, Jean Grey may not even want to return to the School--Xavier did quite a number on her, even though it was with good intentions. Most importantly, they decided to hint at the fact that the cure isn't permanent... and then the X-Men would be really screwed. Granted, they could have allowed Jean to live and dealt with a number of these issues, but that would require a superhero movie longer than 90 minutes, and Fox doesn't like that.

 

[X-Maniac]

I understand what you're saying, and I think it makes sense. In fact, I think there are a lot of people who feel the same way... but I think I would ultimately have to side with November Rain and X-Maniac. Even though curing Jean would resolve the immediate crisis, it wouldn't resolve the long-term problems of allowing Jean to live. She would be stuck with a murderous dual personality (until potentially fixed) and be forced to live with the guilt of the horrible things Phoenix did. Hell, Jean Grey may not even want to return to the School--Xavier did quite a number on her, even though it was with good intentions. Most importantly, they decided to hint at the fact that the cure isn't permanent... and then the X-Men would be really screwed. Granted, they could have allowed Jean to live and dealt with a number of these issues, but that would require a superhero movie longer than 90 minutes, and Fox doesn't like that.

I understand that viewers unfamiliar with the classic story might have expected the cure to tie in directly to Dark Phoenix and for there to be an attempt to use it on her.

But it doesn't bother me that Wolverine didn't try marching towards her armed with cure darts, for the reasons I stated.

We saw how the notion of attempting to cure her (the scene of the soldiers firing the darts at her from behind, as they come over the ridge) was an inflammatory gesture that only caused hell to break loose.

 

[danoyse]

Lol that was so silly, that his shirt was completely destroyed but his pants were completely in-tact. I know that nudity wouldn't have worked in that scene, nor would I want it, but they could have at least made the clothes a little more consistent. They could have tattered the waist line, put a little rip or two around the hips, and some bigger rips around the legs. Then, to keep it more consistent, leave a couple shreds of his shirt on him. The attacks were generally directed at his upper body, so it would make sense for his shirt to be more destroyed than his pants.

Yes, I know that if you want to be technically precise, he should have been nude; but that would have just been silly and awkward.

Actually, that was how they wanted to film it. I remember reading a special FX article about the movie, and their original idea was to have him film the scene naked, so they could animate the X-uniform and just destroy it however they needed to, without having to go through (I guess?) uniforms in various stages of destruction.

According to the article Hugh was (understandably) worried about images leaking onto the internet, so they instead filmed the scene with him wearing flesh-colored shorts instead. I saw the photo of the scene in the magazine, he wasn't wearing the uniform when they filmed it, just the shorts.

And yes, the phoenix-proof pants were still hilarious.

 

[ToriL90]

Actually, that was how they wanted to film it. I remember reading a special FX article about the movie, and their original idea was to have him film the scene naked, so they could animate the X-uniform and just destroy it however they needed to, without having to go through (I guess?) uniforms in various stages of destruction.

According to the article Hugh was (understandably) worried about images leaking onto the internet, so they instead filmed the scene with him wearing flesh-colored shorts instead. I saw the photo of the scene in the magazine, he wasn't wearing the uniform when they filmed it, just the shorts.

And yes, the phoenix-proof pants were still hilarious.

Yeah, I know all that stuff (interesting story, though. Thanks for telling it again. ) Good for Hugh that he didn't film it nude - there's no reason, unless they wanted him nude in the end; which, like I said, would have been silly.

 

[Havok83]

the entire movie was one big clusterf--k. At least it had great action sequences