This Is Disturbing...

[kainedamo]

No. I simply think that his actions make this less a case of people mocking him for no reason. Because lots of people get depressed, lots of people attempt suicide... not all of them hop on top of a building during the day while people are out and threaten to jump. If he really wanted to kill himself there are a lot less public ways to do it... and if he was just doing it for attention... he got it. The problem being he didn't get the attention he wanted and that probably made his cry for help into actual suicide.

What did he want from those people? Sympathy?

I love it when people try to second guess what goes through the mind of someone suicidal. You're an idiot.

 

[Gilpesh]

I love it when people try to second guess what goes through the mind of someone suicidal. You're an idiot.

And you're an ass.

Quite a pair we are.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And you're an ass.

Quite a pair we are.

actually in this case you'd kinda be the one looking like an ass.... and a very insensitive one at that.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Why do people care if someone is insensitive or not??? If it makes you feel better, if you feel bad over this you are a better person then someone who doesn't care about this dead kid. Happy?

 

[Sentinel X]

wow.... people today worry me.. its one thing to not try stopping a person from jumping off a building, but to encourage it? god that's disgusting.

and for those of you who feel nothing when reading this? what the hell happened to you? we are all human beings, that should be enough for you to at least feel bad for him. How would you like it if things got so ****ty for you you contemplated suicide, and your last 3 hours on earth were people trying to convince you to do it?

are kids today honestly that jaded and desensitized? If you honestly feel nothing, you probably should worry about that.

I couldn't agree more. But thats just how humanity is...people are becoming less and less sensitive and a lot more vile and evil...its almost as if people who would actually be disturbed by something as this, are now in the minority

And to previous post, YES going out on top of the car garage in the middle of the day WAS a cry for help. He is depressed, part of him wants to die....the other part has hope (like any other human does)...its not for just random attention like "LOL! I was at the top of a car garage, now everyone in town will know my name!!lol!"

 

[The Apocalypse]

I love it when people try to second guess what goes through the mind of someone suicidal. You're an idiot.

The fact that he waited up there, had people yell at him, looks like he wanted the attention before he died. It's as pathetic as the kids telling him to jump.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why do people care if someone is insensitive or not??? If it makes you feel better, if you feel bad over this you are a better person then someone who doesn't care about this dead kid. Happy?

I find it very important for the human race to care about the human race... sure its one thing when its a horrible person who killed people and is just deep down evil, but for something that'd be considered a tragedy, yeah i think people should care, its kinda disturbing they don't. Im not saying to care means you mope around and fret about it, just go wow... and least feel a touch of sadness. You shouldn't just be like "whatever" all in a day.

 

[Gilpesh]

actually in this case you'd kinda be the one looking like an ass.... and a very insensitive one at that.

I'm not laughing at the guy or how people mocking him. I'm just saying that why give the guy sympathy attention when that's most likely what he wanted and instead of asking for help he climbs on the ledge of a building and threatens to jump.

Why enable people to act like this when things go wrong in their life?

 

[The Apocalypse]

I find it very important for the human race to care about the human race... sure its one thing when its a horrible person who killed people and is just deep down evil, but for something that'd be considered a tragedy, yeah i think people should care, its kinda disturbing they don't. Im not saying to care means you mope around and fret about it, just go wow... and least feel a touch of sadness. You shouldn't just be like "whatever" all in a day.

I doubt you do anything to care for the human race besides say it. If you cared you'd do something for it. Which, and this is total speculation, you probably haven't done squat but say you feel sorry for a suicidal kid.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I find it very important for the human race to care about the human race... sure its one thing when its a horrible person who killed people and is just deep down evil, but for something that'd be considered a tragedy, yeah i think people should care, its kinda disturbing they don't. Im not saying to care means you mope around and fret about it, just go wow... and least feel a touch of sadness. You shouldn't just be like "whatever" all in a day.

Gleefully acting like a vile F makes you cool, apparently.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The fact that he waited up there, had people yell at him, looks like he wanted the attention before he died. It's as pathetic as the kids telling him to jump.

see you need to reasearch a little bit more into the psyche of a suicidal person. The attention he would have wanted would be standing on the ledge, and jumping. He didn't stand up there for 3 hours trying to draw in a crowd and put on a show, he had hope people would stop him and they egged him on. Hell if i was that suicidal and I deep down i wanted to see if the world really had any humanity left in them that's the way i would have done it... hoping that some one (other then the authorities, because well... thats expected) would be there to help me and bring me down and show they care about me (hell i can care about someone i just met, doesn't mean i trust them or there my best friend, but i can care about them and hope they turn out ok) instead he was shown how disgusting humanity can be.. if people egged me on and vocally showed how they don't care of me, then i probably would have jumped too.

A suicidal person feels as if there life is crashing around them, there seeking compassion from someone, those people proved (to him) he has no point of continue to live on this earth. yeah, its jaded and sad the person doesn't see what is beyond the "now" but doesn't mean there not very conflicted and tormented and we shouldn't feel sorry for there pain. Empathy is a trait that i think people are seriously beginning to ignore as humans.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm not laughing at the guy or how people mocking him. I'm just saying that why give the guy sympathy attention when that's most likely what he wanted and instead of asking for help he climbs on the ledge of a building and threatens to jump.

Why enable people to act like this when things go wrong in their life?

umm i dunno, maybe because instead of "seeking attention" it'd also be known as CRYING FOR HELP, a kind voice and a helpful hand was needed, not a cold shoulder, a turn of the back, or a verbal push off the ledge. You do realize a human life is very precious right? I mean who knows what this kid could have become, so what if he was "seeking attention" which shouldn't even be looked at it at that way. The point is, he was going to kill himself unless someone helped him. Isn't saving a life worth it? You'd seriously turn your back on someone who was about to commit suicide and shrug it off as "there just wanting attention" and walk away?

 

[The Apocalypse]

see you need to reasearch a little bit more into the psyche of a suicidal person. The attention he would have wanted would be standing on the ledge, and jumping. He didn't stand up there for 3 hours trying to draw in a crowd and put on a show, he had hope people would stop him and they egged him on. Hell if i was that suicidal and I deep down i wanted to see if the world really had any humanity left in them that's the way i would have done it... hoping that some one (other then the authorities, because well... thats expected) would be there to help me and bring me down and show they care about me (hell i can care about someone i just met, doesn't mean i trust them or there my best friend, but i can care about them and hope they turn out ok) instead he was shown how disgusting humanity can be.. if people egged me on and vocally showed how they don't care of me, then i probably would have jumped too.

A suicidal person feels as if there life is crashing around them, there seeking compassion from someone, those people proved (to him) he has no point of continue to live on this earth. yeah, its jaded and sad the person doesn't see what is beyond the "now" but doesn't mean there not very conflicted and tormented and we shouldn't feel sorry for there pain. Empathy is a trait that i think people are seriously beginning to ignore as humans.

Thank you for educating me with things I already know.

You really don't know what was going on in the kid's head though. If he was thinking what the world really had left in it, you don't need to go to the top of a building and jump.

There are certain things I feel bad about and think are wrong. Like those kids for example. I know for a fact I wouldn't have even been there watching, waiting to see if he jumped. It's pretty horrible that they even decided to say those things. What I don't think is horrible is that he jumped. I don't have any empathy for weak minded people. I've had one or two friends who have been 'medically' depressed. Last I checked, their still alive.

 

[Sentinel X]

You know what all these people saying they don't care probably don't think about: What if it were their friend, a brother, a sister, cousin, or even a parent in that situation??...Would you just not care if people were mocking him/her and verbally encouraging him/her to kill themselves?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I doubt you do anything to care for the human race besides say it. If you cared you'd do something for it. Which, and this is total speculation, you probably haven't done squat but say you feel sorry for a suicidal kid.

actually ive housed 3-4 people (not at a time) in the past year, all being people who had no where to go, and were utterly homeless... 1 being 19, 1 being my age, and the other being 28, they had no where to go, no family here in LA, and my heart went out for them, all behaved and were very thankful, some consider it stupid, but i tend to be a good judge of character, and only one of them ripped me off.. and that was just on splitting a meal at a restaurant. Other wise i got them off the street and back on there feet.

I've also helped out at a type of after school care for troubled kids.

so next time, don't assume, you know what it makes you look like

 

[The Apocalypse]

actually ive housed 3-4 people (not at a time) in the past year, all being people who had no where to go, and were utterly homeless... 1 being 19, 1 being my age, and the other being 28, they had no where to go, no family here in LA, and my heart went out for them, all behaved and were very thankful, some consider it stupid, but i tend to be a good judge of character, and only one of them ripped me off.. and that was just on splitting a meal at a restaurant. Other wise i got them off the street and back on there feet.

I've also helped out at a type of after school care for troubled kids.

so next time, don't assume, you know what it makes you look like

Not that you care, but I don't believe you. Anyone can make that up. Sorry for coming off as a dick though.

You know what all these people saying they don't care probably don't think about: What if it were their friend, a brother, a sister, cousin, or even a parent in that situation??...Would you just not care if people were mocking him/her and verbally encouraging him/her to kill themselves?

I wouldn't care what other people think. Why should I? Of course, I'm not a fan of suicide and I'd respect whoever it was a lot less but I'd still feel bad because they were close to me. Why should I care about someone who if I did the same thing, wouldn't give two ****s about me.

 

[fu manchu]

i'm guessing he didn't bounce.....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Thank you for educating me with things I already know.

You really don't know what was going on in the kid's head though. If he was thinking what the world really had left in it, you don't need to go to the top of a building and jump.

There are certain things I feel bad about and think are wrong. Like those kids for example. I know for a fact I wouldn't have even been there watching, waiting to see if he jumped. It's pretty horrible that they even decided to say those things. What I don't think is horrible is that he jumped. I don't have any empathy for weak minded people. I've had one or two friends who have been 'medically' depressed. Last I checked, their still alive.

it honestly doesn't matter what was going on in the kids head, its still sad he took his life, and still sad kids egged him on to do so. If you stripped it down to being just that, and made it very black and white, its still sad no matter how you look at it. And the fact that you still don't understand the concept of a suicidal person "crying out for help" kinda astounds me. There's only 2 reasons why suicidal people make big spectacles out of there death. 1) being a cry for help and 2) a twisted sense of revenge upon the people they felt hurt them. The fact kids were egging him on, and it took hims well over 3 hours to jump would indeed indicate it was the first choice. Which makes a tragedy much much greater imo.

And that's fine if you have no empathy for a suicidal person, i mean me on the other hand find it sad and feel sorry for there mental capabilities and that they couldn't find a way out of it, do i think its selfish? very... most cases of suicide i find to be very selfish and very sad that they couldn't work it out on there own. But there's still a level i care about those people, and wouldn't turn my back on them if they cried out for help. Hell i couldn't live with myself if i turned my back on someone and they committed suicide.

 

[November Rain]

Perhaps he had depression or other psychological problems of wich there are many, that he may not have been even aware he had?

Perhaps but then why wait 3 hrs to jump off a building, why not walk straight up and then jump.

In any case communication is the first step towards resolving anything, maybe we aren't taught that enough as young folks or maybe the parental and teaching lives mean no one is bothered to listen anymore.

Saying that from the police report, i wouldn't know what he would be going through to trigger that deep a depression but i guess it's all relative isn't it.

Either way, he's made a spectacle of his death which isn't cool.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not that you care, but I don't believe you. Anyone can make that up. Sorry for coming off as a dick though.



I wouldn't care what other people think. Why should I? Of course, I'm not a fan of suicide and I'd respect whoever it was a lot less but I'd still feel bad because they were close to me. Why should I care about someone who if I did the same thing, wouldn't give two ****s about me.

except im not, but naturally you will believe what you want.... the 28 year old has been staying with me for 3 weeks now, and currently gave him a roof over his head, and became close friends because of it. He got into the whole situation because his gf dumped him, and he lived with her, he has no family out in california, and his family back in texas is hardly a family (his father left when he was little, his mom verbally abused him and is mentally ill, and one of his brothers died at the age of 33 to heart failure) he grew up in the "extreme" type of christian church, where they pretty much have no control over there life because they put all there lives decisions in the hand of god. And finally realized he needed to get out of that at the age of 25, a church family he knew housed him in cali for a while before he met this girl that left him high and dry. You choose not to believe me, probably because you don't feel people are actually that kind to do so. So whatever. I have not a damn reason to lie about this at all.

and who's to say that that kid wouldn't of cared about you? just because he doesn't know of you, doesn't mean he wouldn't care if he did.

 

[The Apocalypse]

it honestly doesn't matter what was going on in the kids head, its still sad he took his life, and still sad kids egged him on to do so. If you stripped it down to being just that, and made it very black and white, its still sad no matter how you look at it. And the fact that you still don't understand the concept of a suicidal person "crying out for help" kinda astounds me. There's only 2 reasons why suicidal people make big spectacles out of there death. 1) being a cry for help and 2) a twisted sense of revenge upon the people they felt hurt them. The fact kids were egging him on, and it took hims well over 3 hours to jump would indeed indicate it was the first choice. Which makes a tragedy much much greater imo.

And that's fine if you have no empathy for a suicidal person, i mean me on the other hand find it sad and feel sorry for there mental capabilities and that they couldn't find a way out of it, do i think its selfish? very... most cases of suicide i find to be very selfish and very sad that they couldn't work it out on there own. But there's still a level i care about those people, and wouldn't turn my back on them if they cried out for help. Hell i couldn't live with myself if i turned my back on someone and they committed suicide.

Again...I know this and that is why I have no sympathy for the kid. If he wanted help there are other ways to go about it then standing on top of a building listening to people yell at you to jump. Now if he needed to do that to realize that he actually did need help then I would understand one-hundred percent. I'm sure there was at least one person in this world he could have talked about whatever problem he had. He didn't though, he decided to kill himself.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

At least he just killed himself and didn't shot up a school before doing it.

 

[Sentinel X]

I wouldn't care what other people think. Why should I? Of course, I'm not a fan of suicide and I'd respect whoever it was a lot less but I'd still feel bad because they were close to me. Why should I care about someone who if I did the same thing, wouldn't give two ****s about me.

I for one know that if YOU committed suicide (assuming that you aren't a serial killer, child molester,rapist, etc ) I would care. Of course I wouldn't cry or lose any sleep but I would certainly care and at least have enough sympathy not to laugh about it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Again...I know this and that is why I have no sympathy for the kid. If he wanted help there are other ways to go about it then standing on top of a building listening to people yell at you to jump. Now if he needed to do that to realize that he actually did need help then I would understand one-hundred percent. I'm sure there was at least one person in this world he could have talked about whatever problem he had. He didn't though, he decided to kill himself.

Suicidal people don't see the world like that, they don't know who to go to, who to get help from. Stupid yes.. but thats how they think. They don't usually seek help but want help to come to them.

and who knows.. maybe he needed to do that to realize that he didnt want to, but the people convinced him to.. point is we dont know. so on the off chance that that theory is correct, why not feel a little bad about the situation?

 

[Strange]

At least he just killed himself and didn't shot up a school before doing it.

He should of had a gun to shoot the people cheering him on, I'm sure they would have got a real kick out of that.