Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[DarthSkywalker]

What are you referring to here? His comments on the mid-credits scene? I'm not sure how that has anything to do with the film he shot being well-made or not.

Those scenes are a part of his film. It is why he got his back up over it. Separating himself. The film doesn't end with the start of the credits. It is over when they are done.

 

[BoredGuy]

hopefully some of the hostility in this thread dies down now that we have an awesome Cap trailer to drool over!

 

[Crimson King]

Those scenes are a part of his film. It is why he got his back up over it. Separating himself. The film doesn't end with the start of the credits. It is over when they are done.

He's being a little jerk about it, if you ask me. Most of the MCU films have after or mid-credit scenes shot by the director of the next movie. It's not like this was the first occurrence.

He threw Gunn under the bus big time there. Total dick move.

 

[Mjölnir]

A strong, thoughtful, levelheaded post.

I won't be making any judgments before I see the film, though I know I have some bias as I care about these characters and these stories. I also like looking at the info we have and discussing what it means. It is never black and white and it really shouldn't be. Where is the fun in that?

Yes, the strong connection we all have from previous movies and comics of course will of course influence us, regardless if we happen to be inclined to lean towards pessimism or optimism. It's fun to discuss as long as it's kept clean, although me swearing off watching any footage after the second trailer, and not reading any reviews, of course makes my contributions a bit limited until I see it next week. For example I haven't seen Taylor's comment about the mid-credits scene as I don't want to know anything about it.

I like how all these reviewers continously call Thor invulnerable, near invulnerable, or practically invulnerable, he must really be one tough cookie in T:TDW.

That sounds cool. As long as he's still in danger at some point it's just as I want it.

 

[TeeKay]

He's being a little jerk about it, if you ask me. Most of the MCU films have after or mid-credit scenes shot by the director of the next movie. It's not like this was the first occurrence.

He threw Gunn under the bus big time there. Total dick move.

Whedon directed the post credits scenes for CA: TFA and the first Thor. I don't see what the problem is here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He's being a little jerk about it, if you ask me. Most of the MCU films have after or mid-credit scenes shot by the director of the next movie. It's not like this was the first occurrence.

He threw Gunn under the bus big time there. Total dick move.

I thought he specifically said he didn't want to blame Gunn as he didn't know who did it?

And now we are blaming Taylor? That seems rich. He did a post credit scene and then they added a second late in the game. That is probably why he is annoyed. It is clear studio interference that he probably wasn't aware of. Now whether it is good or not, I don't know yet. But it is what it is.

Whedon directed the post credits scenes for CA: TFA and the first Thor. I don't see what the problem is here.

Some directors are fine with it. Others are not. Some director's use second units, some like Nolan do not. Different directors do different things.

 

[Rock Sexton]

hopefully some of the hostility in this thread dies down now that we have an awesome Cap trailer to drool over!

I'm trying to decide which is the bigger trailer money shot?

- Falcons jump off the Helicarrier?
- Thor's jump off the balcony to catch the hammer?
- Winter Soldier's snatching the shield out of the air?

My eyes have been very blessed these last few weeks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm trying to decide which is the bigger trailer money shot?

- Falcons jump off the Helicarrier?
- Thor's jump off the balcony to catch the hammer?
- Winter Soldier's snatching the shield out of the air?

My eyes have been very blessed these last few weeks.

Cap riding down the quinjet imo. So beautiful.

 

[TeeKay]

I'm trying to decide which is the bigger trailer money shot?

- Falcons jump off the Helicarrier?
- Thor's jump off the balcony to catch the hammer?
- Winter Soldier's snatching the shield out of the air?

My eyes have been very blessed these last few weeks.

All of the above.

 

[Crimson King]

I thought he specifically said he didn't want to blame Gunn as he didn't know who did it?

And now we are blaming Taylor? That seems rich. He did a post credit scene and then they added a second late in the game. That is probably why he is annoyed. It is clear studio interference that he probably wasn't aware of. Now whether it is good or not, I don't know yet. But it is what it is.

He knew exactly who did it. "It's his sets and his characters." He felt perfectly at ease bashing it though, which wasn't cool.

It's not studio interference, man. It's a connected universe and this is how the movies are typically connected. Been that way since 2008.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He knew exactly who did it. "It's his sets and his characters." He felt perfectly at ease bashing it though, which wasn't cool.

It's not studio interference, man. It's a connected universe and this is how the movies are typically connected. Been that way since 2008.

He bashed it because he wants to separate himself from it, which is fair imo. He doesn't seem to want it in the film and the studio is putting it in. How is that not interference with the director?

And you act like this is how it has always been. It hasn't. So far, only the Avengers has had two scenes, both directed by the director I believe. TDW is the second.

 

[Feenix]

For me, the movie does end with the credits (unless the same person who directed the movie directed the after credits scenes). Obviously, whatever happens in the after credits scenes is "cannonical" in the sense that if a character is shown to be alive after we see them die (like for the first Thor movie), then the character is alive in the MCU. But, since the scenes can be directed by a different person, I judge those scenes based on who directed them and not as a fault of the director of the actual movie.

For instance, if Brett Ratner directed the two after credits scenes and they sucked, I would blame Ratner for it and not Alan Taylor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

For me, the movie does end with the credits (unless the same person who directed the movie directed the after credits scenes). Obviously, whatever happens in the after credits scenes is "cannonical" in the sense that if a character is shown to be alive after we see them die (like for the first Thor movie), then the character is alive in the MCU. But, since the scenes can be directed by a different person, I judge those scenes based on who directed them and not as a fault of the director of the actual movie.

For instance, if Brett Ratner directed the two after credits scenes and they sucked, I would blame Ratner for it and not Alan Taylor.

No love for those that made it possible.

 

[fangz]

And specifically mentions that he has no real motivation beyond "loving darkness" and is in a handful of scenes only. That's what happens when your movie is too short and you cut out the villains backstory to explain why the Hell he's doing all this. Hemsworth, Hiddleston, and Hopkins being great is no real surprise.

Since when do villains need backstories to be compelling, to carry threat, to move a story along?

If a villain doesn't work, there's some basic problem going on...whether it's the story, the writing specifically, the actor, the director. But it's not something that you immediately chalk up to intereference with the director's vision when you haven't seen the movie.

Why does Malekith need a backstory? To be a good villain? It sounds like there's deeper problems going on here....I'm not just talking about this specific issue but on what I see myself from every trailer of the movie, this movie has bad written all over it. top to bottom, almost. and i trust my gut instinct on these things. I love Marvel movies, even the mediocre ones. I am a Marvel Comics life long devotee. my gut says this movie is not going to be much to be proud of. I'll probably find things to like about it, but all signs point to this not being a good movie, apart from a comic book movie experience.

that's me adding up my own first hand experience of seeing clips from the movie, to interviews with people who were involved in the movie, to first reviews beginning to come in. I don't buy it. All of money is on this movie being a tremendous letdown to me. As in, not the Thor movie that I wanted to see as a sequel to the last one. What I wanted to see was a good movie, first and foremost. forget that it's about Thor, just a good movie.

That's the reality in my head...it sounds like the movie Taylor turned in just wasn't good. Marvel recognized this, wanted to mess with it, Taylor didn't like that, but actually didn't really care for the movie that he turned in anyways, but especially didn't like people criticizing it and making it seem like it was his fault.
Taylor ended up making changes to the movie...no one is happy with it. It was not a movie that could have been good in the first place. not Marvel's fault (exactly), not Taylor's fault (exactly)...not Hemsworth's fault, not any of the actors' fault. I bet you they didn't have much to go on with how it turned out being the mess that I believe it will be.

that's my take on all of this stupid lead up to this movie. I'll be there watching it with everyone else first night it opens, but I can't erase all the bad signs I've seen that directly point to a big ugly mess about to drop on all our heads.

And I want to add that this gut feeling is originating from something wayyyy...before reviews started to come out. I don't really care about reviews. Unless I know the reviewer, I think most people don't.
Why should what any person say about something mean I'm gonna like it or not? This isn't a reaction to the review, this entire post is more a reaction to your insinuation, I feel at least, that this movie being bad is Marvel's fault entirely...

I am saying... look. there's the very real possibility that the movie has always sucked. then they messed with it and it still sucked. that's what seems most likely to me right now, since that's all we can talk about for right now, cuz the movie's not out yet. But all signs point to a sucky movie from the get go, possibly even before Taylor did whatever he did to it.

If you want to know what I really think...I think that his heart was never really in this movie. I read it as him taking this project and then halfway thru realizing that he didn't really care about it. and not paying much attention or really caring how it came out. I'm saying this right now based on how sloppy and careless every single scene I have seen any extended clip of....
I don't think Taylor's an idiot, but the movie smells like something run by someone who really doesn't care what the outcome is. or that just doesn't understand something so much to the point that they their common sense becomes non-funcitonal. that's how bad every extended clip i've seen from this film comes off to me. like really excruciatingly bad and ridiculous looking.

none of the actors seem to have any clue at all what's going on. given, these aren't the main scenes from the movie that we're talking about, but every actor, except Hemsworth is coming off like they're clearly running around acting for no reason. he seems to be the only one that truly is connecting to his part.

 

[Rock Sexton]

A strong, thoughtful, levelheaded post.

I won't be making any judgments before I see the film, though I know I have some bias as I care about these characters and these stories. I also like looking at the info we have and discussing what it means. It is never black and white and it really shouldn't be. Where is the fun in that?

What does that even mean? Darth, we all "care" about these characters and stories. So why is it necessary to declare that in order to create a distinction about our opinions?

 

[Rock Sexton]

First it was run time ....

Then we discussed Mal's lack of comprehensive backstory and it hindering the success of the movie.

Now we've stumbled upon studio interference (a lovely old topic).

Trying to figure out which one will be next.

 

[Crimson King]

He bashed it because he wants to separate himself from it, which is fair imo. He doesn't seem to want it in the film and the studio is putting it in. How is that not interference with the director?

And you act like this is how it has always been. It hasn't. So far, only the Avengers has had two scenes, both directed by the director I believe. TDW is the second.

Branaugh directed the IM2 stinger. Whedon did Thor's and Cap's. Now Gunn is doing TDW's. You know what? Good for them. The stingers usually set up the next movie in line, so why not have it in the tone of the next movie?

Sorry, but I find the defense of directors against Big Bad Marvel's studio influence to be a crock. First of all, this supposedly horrible practice is what has produced a string of fantastic studio movies culminating in the 3rd-highest grossing movie of all time. And despite such horrible influence, people still want to work with Marvel. Weird. Maybe they're masochists?

On the other hand, you have DC, who is scrambling to put together a connected universe but doesn't have a strong hand guiding it, so you now have a cluster---- where GL is probably going to be forgotten/recast and either WW or Flash is going to be kept from getting a solo movie because of the rush to make JL. This doesn't even take into account the shaft that Superman is getting (no solo sequel). They're falling behind for a reason: no one to guide them. I mean, "no one to interfere with the creative vision of the director."

Taylor can cry to himself about the mid-credits scene all he wants. To cry about it while publicly humiliating the next director in line is not cool, I don't care what you say.

 

[TeeKay]

Branaugh directed the IM2 stinger. Whedon did Thor's and Cap's. Now Gunn is doing TDW's. You know what? Good for them. The stingers usually set up the next movie in line, so why not have it in the tone of the next movie?

Sorry, but I find the defense of directors against Big Bad Marvel's studio influence to be a crock. First of all, this supposedly horrible practice is what has produced a string of fantastic studio movies culminating in the 3rd-highest grossing movie of all time. And despite such horrible influence, people still want to work with Marvel. Weird. Maybe they're masochists?

On the other hand, you have DC, who is scrambling to put together a connected universe but doesn't have a strong hand guiding it, so you now have a cluster---- where GL is probably going to be forgotten/recast and either WW or Flash is going to be kept from getting a solo movie because of the rush to make JL. This doesn't even take into account the shaft that Superman is getting (no solo sequel). They're falling behind for a reason: no one to guide them. I mean, "no one to interfere with the creative vision of the director."

Taylor can cry to himself about the mid-credits scene all he wants. To cry about it while publicly humiliating the next director in line is not cool, I don't care what you say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What does that even mean? Darth, we all "care" about these characters and stories. So why is it necessary to declare that in order to create a distinction about our opinions?

I know I have an inherit bias. Even if I don't think the film is great, I will probably prefer it to other films I consider better because of the source material. I know it seems insane, but not everyone in the world is fan of comics or comic films. t:

An example is Harry Potter. I am not the biggest fan of the 6th or 8th films (especially the 6th film), but I still watch them a lot. It is because I care for the characters. The same applies to the last two Tolkien films for me.

 

[04nbod]

New Footage. Thor takes the tube



Dialogue:

How do I get to Greenwich
Take this train

...sorry

 

[Rock Sexton]

I know I have an inherit bias. Even if I don't think the film is great, I will probably prefer it to other films I consider better because of the source material. I know it seems insane, but not everyone in the world is fan of comics or comic films. t:

That's great but you're deflecting from the point via semantics.

I'm not talking about the GA and other people who are casual viewers. I'm talking about the people posting on this board. By you saying, well my opinion is because I care - it's like you're creating a hierarchy for your comments. You don't care more than I do, I'll tell you that much ...... but it's a pointless argument because pretty much every participant on this board cares.

 

[747]

Right now I'm thinking this will be a good time; not much more. Which isn't to be underrated though.

 

[Rock Sexton]

New Footage. Thor takes the tube

In some of the reviews, they said this scene got a good laugh.

 

[fangz]

He knew exactly who did it. "It's his sets and his characters." He felt perfectly at ease bashing it though, which wasn't cool.

It's not studio interference, man. It's a connected universe and this is how the movies are typically connected. Been that way since 2008.

yes, Taylor's bashing of this is totally not in line with how people act. Even any of us can realize that. you don't say stuff like he said. He's upset about something.

I like the guy, but I don't think he really cares about the movie.

everyone can argue about what they think about this, except Alan Taylor. He's the guy that can say what he actually thinks.
So obviously, what I'm saying is purely 100% speculation, just like anything else said about Alan Taylor. unless said by Alan Taylor.

but that's what opinions are and my opinion is that this guy just didn't care much about the Thor movie he was making. maybe the script just always sucked or something, it's not even a rag on him. but my read is that this movie was not made by a person whose heart was into it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Branaugh directed the IM2 stinger. Whedon did Thor's and Cap's. Now Gunn is doing TDW's. You know what? Good for them. The stingers usually set up the next movie in line, so why not have it in the tone of the next movie?

You do realize that isn't even half of the films right? And how many of them have two scenes?

Sorry, but I find the defense of directors against Big Bad Marvel's studio influence to be a crock. First of all, this supposedly horrible practice is what has produced a string of fantastic studio movies culminating in the 3rd-highest grossing movie of all time. And despite such horrible influence, people still want to work with Marvel. Weird. Maybe they're masochists?

What are you arguing here, that they are successful? That people will work with studios even if it isn't the most conducive to the creative process? This isn't a new thing.

No one is painting them as Big Bad Marvel, just that they do it and to deny it would be false. I am not saying this is the worst thing ever, hell that it is even a bad thing, but they interfere and TDW is proof. IM2 is proof. TIH is proof.

So please don't act like it doesn't happen.

On the other hand, you have DC, who is scrambling to put together a connected universe but doesn't have a strong hand guiding it, so you now have a cluster---- where GL is probably going to be forgotten/recast and either WW or Flash is going to be kept from getting a solo movie because of the rush to make JL. This doesn't even take into account the shaft that Superman is getting (no solo sequel). They're falling behind for a reason: no one to guide them. I mean, "no one to interfere with the creative vision of the director."

And yet they have arguably produced the 4 of the 5 best superhero flicks we have seen all over the last 8 years.

Taylor can cry to himself about the mid-credits scene all he wants. To cry about it while publicly humiliating the next director in line is not cool, I don't care what you say.

You don't like it because it goes against the narrative that Marvel doesn't interfere.