Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[fangz]

First it was run time ....

Then we discussed Mal's lack of comprehensive backstory and it hindering the success of the movie.

Now we've stumbled upon studio interference (a lovely old topic).

Trying to figure out which one will be next.

it's no specific thing...this movie to a lot of people is just not adding up.
could be wrong, but these people, or at least me, are merely saying what they think of what's gonna be delivered.

different people will sound like they're attributing this to one specific thing or another....but it's no specific thing.

i think the one that is most baseless and that bugs me most right now, is that it's studio intereference tho. why is there a reason to always believe that a director's right?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's great but you're deflecting from the point via semantics.

I'm not talking about the GA and other people who are casual viewers. I'm talking about the people posting on this board. By you saying, well my opinion is because I care - it's like you're creating a hierarchy for your comments. You don't care more than I do, I'll tell you that much ...... but it's a pointless argument because pretty much every participant on this board cares.

What the hell are you talking about? I am creating no hierarchy, I am showing the inherent bias I approach the film with. I made that clear with my Harry Potter and Hobbit comments and you just ignored it. The chances that I don't like the film is near zero because of the material. It is as simple as that and to make anything else out of it is ridiculous.

You are the one complaining about people trolling and complaining, and then you say everyone here cares. Do you see how that doesn't line up?

 

[TeeKay]

You do realize that isn't even half of the films right? And how many of them have two scenes?


What are you arguing here, that they are successful? That people will work with studios even if it isn't the most conducive to the creative process? This isn't a new thing.

No one is painting them as Big Bad Marvel, just that they do it and to deny it would be false. I am not saying this is the worst thing ever, hell that it is even a bad thing, but they interfere and TDW is proof. IM2 is proof. TIH is proof.

So please don't act like it doesn't happen.


And yet they have arguably produced the 4 of the 5 best superhero flicks we have seen all over the last 8 years.


You don't like it because it goes against the narrative that Marvel doesn't interfere.

That's just your opinion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's just your opinion.

Is it not all opinion in this regard around here? But of course you latch on to my quote as opposed to the original. Be careful, your fanboy is showing.

 

[TeeKay]

Is it not all opinion in this regard around here? But of course you latch on to my quote as opposed to the original. Be careful, your fanboy is showing.

I was just saying, a lot of people might disagree with that and it will spark a flamewar just like Crimson's comment on the DC movies.

 

[fangz]

there was no vision involved in making Thor 2.

there was no drive to make it, or need to tell a story beyond, let's do the next Thor movie...
which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, cuz good and surprising things can come out of that.

but it was clearly just a need to make a sequel. Does Alan Taylor have a real vision on Thor? maybe, but I doubt he was stroing enough to end up enforcing it on this movie....
it sounds like a situaion of a movie that doesn't need to exist. but has to be made anyways.

movies like this Thor 2 aren't 'vision' movies...they're things who are lucky to have a heart that's beating still. they are inherently movies that are made by committee.

George Lucas and the prequels are a good example of what happens when you make a 'made by committee' movie with one person in charge...it doesn't mean the movie is gonna be good, it means the movie is not gonna have to confront reality until it actually hits the screen and then unforturnately, it's almost always gonna be too late. movies where one idiot is in charge suck. movies where one guy who doesn't care is in charge...suck.

I'm not saying that Marvel's not to blame, but just to jump right to that studio intereference somehow must have ruined this movie isn't using your head or your stomach. look at every clip from this movie...it doesn't look like it sucks from studio interference. it just looks like it sucks. period.

 

[T"Challa]

That's just your opinion.

Yeah Batman begins & TDK for sure, I guess you can sorta make a case for TDKR (but not really)..but Man of Steel? Green lantern? Watchmen? I don't see how you can pick any of those over IM1 or X-Men first Class

 

[TeeKay]

there was no vision involved in making Thor 2.

there was no drive to make it, or need to tell a story beyond, let's do the next Thor movie...
which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, cuz good and surprising things can come out of that.

but it was clearly just a need to make a sequel. Does Alan Taylor have a real vision on Thor? maybe, but I doubt he was stroing enough to end up enforcing it on this movie....
it sounds like a situaion of a movie that doesn't need to exist. but has to be made anyways.

movies like this Thor 2 aren't 'vision' movies...they're things who are lucky to have a heart that's beating still. they are inherently movies that are made by committee.

George Lucas and the prequels are a good example of what happens when you make a 'made by committee' movie with one person in charge...it doesn't mean the movie is gonna be good, it means the movie is not gonna have to confront reality until it actually hits the screen and then unforturnately, it's almost always gonna be too late. movies where one idiot is in charge suck. movies where one guy who doesn't care is in charge...suck.

I'm not saying that Marvel's not to blame, but just to jump right to that studio intereference somehow must have ruined this movie isn't using your head or your stomach. look at every clip from this movie...it doesn't look like it sucks from studio interference. it just looks like it sucks. period.

Let it out brother, preach.

TDK, I guess you can sorta make a case for TDKR (but not really)..but Man of Steel? Green lantern? Watchmen? I don't see how you can pick any of those over IM1 or X-Men first Class

 

[fangz]

wouldn't anyone interfere is the final product that got turned in, if that kinda sucked?

you should interfere. doesn't always mean it's gonna help anything.

you should also make movie that need to be made, not sequels to properties and all that junk. and you should hire people that care. and if you notice they don't halfway thru, kick em in the teeth.... haha. metaphorically speaking.

there's plenty of blame to go around is what I'm saying. but to turn it into some kinda jocks vs everyone else at the school scenario is thinking small and not actually looking at what the real world is.

 

[Feenix]

there was no vision involved in making Thor 2.

there was no drive to make it, or need to tell a story beyond, let's do the next Thor movie...
which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, cuz good and surprising things can come out of that.

but it was clearly just a need to make a sequel. Does Alan Taylor have a real vision on Thor? maybe, but I doubt he was stroing enough to end up enforcing it on this movie....
it sounds like a situaion of a movie that doesn't need to exist. but has to be made anyways.

movies like this Thor 2 aren't 'vision' movies...they're things who are lucky to have a heart that's beating still. they are inherently movies that are made by committee.

George Lucas and the prequels are a good example of what happens when you make a 'made by committee' movie with one person in charge...it doesn't mean the movie is gonna be good, it means the movie is not gonna have to confront reality until it actually hits the screen and then unforturnately, it's almost always gonna be too late. movies where one idiot is in charge suck. movies where one guy who doesn't care is in charge...suck.

I'm not saying that Marvel's not to blame, but just to jump right to that studio intereference somehow must have ruined this movie isn't using your head or your stomach. look at every clip from this movie...it doesn't look like it sucks from studio interference. it just looks like it sucks. period.

Huh? Where did you possibly get that from? That sounds like utter nonsense.

 

[fangz]

Let it out brother, preach.

yeah **** you

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was just saying, a lot of people might disagree with that and it will spark a flamewar just like Crimson's comment on the DC movies.

But why did you not mention Crimson's post in the first place?

Yeah TDK for sure, I guess you can sorta make a case for TDKR (but not really)..but Man of Steel? Green lantern? Watchmen? I don't see how you can pick any of those over IM1 or X-Men first Class

I personally adore Begins, TDK, TDKR, MoS, CA:TFA, Avengers, and First Class. I'd pick out of them for my top five.

 

[fangz]

Huh? Where did you possibly get that from? That sounds like utter nonsense.

that comes from what i've seen from the movie...
(which is the same thing all of us have seen, and that's it)
it's total speculation, but it's what i think.

and i think this is gonna bear true.

and actually it comes from something else, even on top....
and that is that this is how 99% of sequels are made.
it's just the nature of sequels. watch this movie, i bet you that it's not gonna be something that is traceable to something that is organically necessary to tell.
it's just a goddam sequel to a property that they half assed in the first place in order to have a Thor movie done for Avengers.
Thor got shafted. both times.

Cap 2 looks like it came from the same place. but it looks rad. everything smells right about it. i dunno. that's what it seems like, that's all we have to go on.

not saying that this whole process is a stupid way to make movies, or comic books for that matter... why was Amazing Spider-Man number one hundred whatever made? ciuz of the issue before it... cuz it just had to be made to hit deadline. that's fine.

I'm just saying that in a movie of 'vision' it makes more sense to say that the director's vision should hold some respect, whether it makes it technically better or worse, or whatever.
that's the point of the movie...this person's vision.
in a movie of committee, there's no reason to say the director's word means any more than anyone's.
nothing reads movie of 'vision' about Thor 2.
if so, god help Alan Taylor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

there was no vision involved in making Thor 2.

there was no drive to make it, or need to tell a story beyond, let's do the next Thor movie...
which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, cuz good and surprising things can come out of that.

but it was clearly just a need to make a sequel. Does Alan Taylor have a real vision on Thor? maybe, but I doubt he was stroing enough to end up enforcing it on this movie....
it sounds like a situaion of a movie that doesn't need to exist. but has to be made anyways.

movies like this Thor 2 aren't 'vision' movies...they're things who are lucky to have a heart that's beating still. they are inherently movies that are made by committee.

George Lucas and the prequels are a good example of what happens when you make a 'made by committee' movie with one person in charge...it doesn't mean the movie is gonna be good, it means the movie is not gonna have to confront reality until it actually hits the screen and then unforturnately, it's almost always gonna be too late. movies where one idiot is in charge suck. movies where one guy who doesn't care is in charge...suck.

I'm not saying that Marvel's not to blame, but just to jump right to that studio intereference somehow must have ruined this movie isn't using your head or your stomach. look at every clip from this movie...it doesn't look like it sucks from studio interference. it just looks like it sucks. period.

I am not sure what your point is here. I am not saying it sucks at all or that studio interference is bad. Just that it exist.

Though, I am not a fan of films that aren't real creative endeveors as you described.

 

[Feenix]

yes, Taylor's bashing of this is totally not in line with how people act. Even any of us can realize that. you don't say stuff like he said. He's upset about something.

I like the guy, but I don't think he really cares about the movie.

everyone can argue about what they think about this, except Alan Taylor. He's the guy that can say what he actually thinks.
So obviously, what I'm saying is purely 100% speculation, just like anything else said about Alan Taylor. unless said by Alan Taylor.

but that's what opinions are and my opinion is that this guy just didn't care much about the Thor movie he was making. maybe the script just always sucked or something, it's not even a rag on him. but my read is that this movie was not made by a person whose heart was into it.

I disagree. No one knows what goes on behind the scenes. I think that by the fact that he was bashing the guy who directed the after credits scenes that he cared so much about the movie, he thought that guy ruined it. What you're saying doesn't make sense unless you know something on the down lo that no one else does, and I highly doubt that.

 

[Feenix]

that comes from what i've seen from the movie...
(which is the same thing all of us have seen, and that's it)
it's total speculation, but it's what i think.

and i think this is gonna bear true.

I don't think so, at all. I think you're going to watch the movie and point to things that you believe make you right, but I think you are so wrong.

 

[TeeKay]

But why did you not mention Crimson's post in the first place?


I personally adore Begins, TDK, TDKR, MoS, CA:TFA, Avengers, and First Class. I'd pick out of them for my top five.

Because you forget to put "IMO" and it came off as if you were saying it's a FACT instead of your opinion. And not only that, I just thought you were gonna just ignore Crimson's comments about DCsince you're one of the most mature posters here, I thought you would want to help prevent a flame war. There's two sides to a flame war, one who provokes it and one who fuels it. That's just how I see it.

Anyways back to Thor, I'm seeing this next Tuesday. Can't wait.

 

[Feenix]

. it just looks like it sucks. period.

Then don't watch it. You seem to be trolling a bit here. You haven't seen the movie and you say it sucks and your reasoning behind it is that Alan Taylor doesn't care. That's awful reasoning and you have no proof to back that up. It doesn't look like it sucks at all, you just seem to want to piss people off.

 

[TeeKay]

yeah **** you

What did i do?

 

[fangz]

I don't think so, at all. I think you're going to watch the movie and point to things that you believe make you right, but I think you are so wrong.

no actually, i'm hoping to like the movie, but aside from that...
yeah, you're right...my reality's gonna be confirmed to a certain extent becuz of the standards that make up my reality.

so nothing I'm talking about is trying to say that Thor 2 is objectively gonna suck.

just saying what I see and mostly posting becuz I hate seeing Marvel instantly blamed for taking some interest in their movies.
studio interference is good is basically the real gist of what I'm trying to say, even tho I know the argument I'm making is muddying that up.

 

[fangz]

What did i do?

oh wow...you weren't being sarcastic?
i'm sorry...i'm talking like i'm on the internet, and i should talk like a human being.

I'm sorry.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because you forget to put "IMO" and it came off as if you were saying it's a FACT instead of your opinion. And not only that, I just thought you were gonna just ignore Crimson's comments about DCsince you're one of the most mature posters here, I thought you would want to help prevent a flame war. There's two sides to a flame war, one who provokes it and one who fuels it. That's just how I see it.

Anyways back to Thor, I'm seeing this next Tuesday. Can't wait.

I wrote "arguably' for that very reason. I like to get creative with how I approach the concept of "imo". t:

 

[TeeKay]

no actually, i'm hoping to like the movie, but aside from that...
yeah, you're right...my reality's gonna be confirmed to a certain extent becuz of the standards that make up my reality.

so nothing I'm talking about is trying to say that Thor 2 is objectively gonna suck.

just saying what I see and mostly posting becuz I hate seeing Marvel instantly blamed for taking some interest in their movies.
studio interference is good is basically the real gist of what I'm trying to say, even tho I know the argument I'm making is muddying that up.

Iron Man 2 anybody?

 

[fangz]

Then don't watch it. You seem to be trolling a bit here. You haven't seen the movie and you say it sucks and your reasoning behind it is that Alan Taylor doesn't care. That's awful reasoning and you have no proof to back that up. It doesn't look like it sucks at all, you just seem to want to piss people off.

it seems like I am, and I'm overstating, and I'm misreading and exaggerating what others are saying too.

that part is wrong, but at the core I believe what I am saying is valid.
I'm sorry to overstate. I'm gonna try to be a human from now on, here. haha. :

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think so, at all. I think you're going to watch the movie and point to things that you believe make you right, but I think you are so wrong.

I now have this great image. I have no idea what fangz looks like, or whether fangz is a male or female. But I have this great image of a old school vampire, cape and all, in the theater with a notepad and glasses, leaning forward, paying close attention.