Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

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  1. kosh33

    kosh33 MCU Fanatic

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    i loved both ironman3 and thor 2 and thought there were both significant improvements over the preceding solo movies.. the action was better, and the scope was greater and villains were more sinister and powerful
     
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  2. Silvermoon

    Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    I believe is was that combined with him also having other projects on his plate that he wanted to do as well that didn't mesh with Marvel's schedule (I think season/series 3 of Wallander was getting underway right around the time that production on Thor:TDW was - one of the reasons that we don't have Hiddleston's Magnus Martinsson anymore.)
     
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  3. Vartha

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    I'm not saying they didn't tho . Just that most of the comic fans expected the Character from the comics. They clearly aren't identical. TDW's version wasn't shown as of aggressive as the comics and the ONLY time we've SEEN that kind of aggression was the deleted scene.
    I'm PERSONALLY pleased with the Darkelves, I'm saying OTHERS aren't and was saying for the better of the movie it could have been done differently
     
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  4. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    The Loki stuff wasnt a focus until late into production though, a lot of the re-shoots involved Tom and adding new Loki scenes. Thats got to be disruptive for a director and must have changed the dynamics of a lot of the movie.

    So again, for me, as with TIH, Marvel was its own worst enemy here. Patty Jenkins high tailed once she realised she wasnt going to get freedom on the sequel.
     
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  5. Crimson King

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    We don't know anything about the Jenkins split. Some sources say she was fired, some say she decided to go. We'll likely never get the truth, but there's no sense in assuming one story is correct over another.

    As for the Loki scenes, I think you're discounting Taylor's involvement. He said in interviews that he liked the Loki scenes he'd shot and wanted to inject more of him. I have no doubt that Marvel took it upon themselves to right a ship they thought was overturning, but let's not pretend Taylor was a passive victim here. He's a guy they brought in to pretty up Asgard. It's Marvel's fault for not taking enough time to choose a director that actually cared about the characters, too.
     
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  6. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Exactly, they mis-managed this one from the start, and Taylor has said a lot of things, like he agree with Marvel wanting more humour in the movie, and yet he still told fans to ask for a DC and dodged important issues with the film.

    Jenkins seemingly left on good terms, but whether it was her or Marvel who forced the spilt its obvious Marvel were not letting her do her thing. I dont think they let Taylor do his thing either, and thats why the movie is so jumbled.
     
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  7. Ragnaroknroll

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    I'm honestly tired of hearing complaints about the humor or how jumbled this film was. It wasn't jumbled it at all. I thought Taylor did a great job. If it's not your cup of tea it's one thing but the way it jumped around and mashed up genres like it did was absolutely true to the source and is as wacky as a Thor comic ever was. Stop trashing the movie for being what it was supposed to be.

    For the people who complain - Have you ever read a Thor comic? It's all over the place. He's a viking god who's a superhero, an Avenger, and heir to the throne. He travels through space; he travels through time; he travels to Hel and back. He rides a horse or a chariot with goats, or a viking longboat, or a quinjet or a space ship. He fights mythological serpents and wolves and giants and sorcerers and aliens and living planets and planet eaters and robots and ex-cons and construction workers with magical powers and gods from other pantheons. He defends small nations, he defends Earth, he defends Asgard, he defends the universe. His best friends are basically Xena, Errol Flynn, Ghengis Khan, and an immensely fat person who can defeat his enemies by merely sitting on them.

    Is there humor in none of it? What genre does all of that fit into exactly? It's all somewhat ludicrous but that's what makes it fun. The juxtaposition of weird elements that should not ever go together.

    Marvel applies the right tone to the right material. Thor needs a healthy dose of humor. Cap in general does not (unless there are references to his spangly outfit which you have to admit a direct translation to film does look a little silly). The First Avenger was actually a more serious film and I expect The Winter Soldier to be as well. Iron Man 3 arguably had too much humor but RDJ is a funny guy and the humor IMO actually fit the tone for the type of film that Shane Black was going for.

    I can't wait to see all the people complaining about humor in a film about a talking tree and a gun toting raccoon or a film about a guy who shrinks and talks to ants.
     
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  8. Mjölnir

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    Yeah, the character in the comics is clearly different. Just looking at the latest arc with him in Thor: God of Thunder he's more like the Joker of the Nine Realms, although seemingly with a more structured goal.
     
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  9. Ms. Marvel

    Ms. Marvel Screwed up Avenger

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    The humour doesn't really bother me, it's the fact that the stakes never felt high (to me anyway). During the entire third act it didn't feel like the universe was actually in danger. I'm not sure why, it may be because there wasn't enough fear coming from the public. Everytime I watch the movie all I can think about is how Loki tricked everyone while everyone was distracted by Malekith despite it not being the main plot.
     
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  10. Loki882

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    I'd LOVE to see Marvel get JMS or Jason Aaron (or both) to help write the story/screenplay for Thor 3, or at least consult on it. JMS's Thor run was awesome and Aaron's current run is also fantastic. They get Thor and his world and I'm quite confident that they could help come up with a more compelling plot/story for the next movie.
     
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    And I'm still trying to figure out how the heck he did that, and how he apparently got rid of Odin? That scene was weird to me. I wonder if it was one of the scenes that was shot later on, because it really felt out of place with how the movie had gone up until that point. At least it felt out of place in that particular spot. It felt like it was jammed in there at the last minute.
     
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  12. Loki882

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    No one is complaining about there being humor in the movie. They're complaining about the amount of humor, the type of humor, and where it was placed. There was too much of it, a lot of it just wasn't funny, and it was placed in areas that should have been taken more seriously and thus killed any kind of tension or threat. I really liked the humor in the first movie and thought that it balanced out well with the darker material. TDW didn't mesh nearly as well. Also, all of those fantasy elements that you mentioned CAN be done seriously. There doesn't need to be a ton of humor. LOTR didn't have a joke every two minutes, neither did Harry Potter, neither did JMS's Thor run for that matter, or Jason Aaron's current run. So it can be done.
     
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  13. Ragnaroknroll

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    I feel the complaints about the amount of humor in this movie are severely overblown. (Iron Man 3 for instance had far more comedy than this film.) There were far more serious moments in this film than in the first one. And I would hardly say there was a joke every two minutes. That's exaggerating. The ending admittedly has a bit more comedy but it felt consistent to me with the fact most of the comedy was Earth based. Asgard and the other realms had far less levity.

    The comedy worked for me because on Earth a space viking and his flying hammer is out of place. You take that too seriously and it becomes pretentious. As far as the diminished tension, after the bore-fest of Man of Steel and all its disaster porn I almost felt Marvel made a conscious choice to keep it fun this go around. I'm sorry you did not enjoy the humor but I found the jokes very funny and so did a lot of other people. It's interesting to me that a lot of critics did not enjoy the movie until the final act which they felt saved it. Along with general audiences they also enjoyed Earth more than Asgard. It seems comic fans feel the opposite. Personally I would love more of the Nine Realms and the Warriors Three but I don't begrudge this film for doing its thing.

    Also I feel you kind of miss my point about the examples I gave - they are examples of not just fantasy but fantasy and sci-fi mixed together. I don't think I've ever seen that done before in a film. Thor should not be LOTR because LOTR takes place not on Earth but in Middle Earth. (And honestly PJ's totally lost it with the latest Hobbit installments IMO.) And Harry Potter doesn't travel on space ships to other planets. Can you think of any other examples to which to compare this to?

    We're probably coming from two different perspectives here. My favorite Thor is not JMS but Lee/Kirby with Walt Simonson a very close second. I'm a huge fan of the Silver Age and a lot of that stuff was pretty wacky. Thor vs. Hercules cracks me up. I liked JMS's brooding Thor because it was different and well done but it's not vintage Thor to me. It's just another spin. I've heard good things about Jason Aaron's run but I've yet to read it because people raved about his Wolverine run and that did absolutely nothing for me.

    I look at this as just one chapter in Thor's story. I will agree with you that a change in writing direction can be a good thing. From what I hear, for Thor 3 Marvel has hired a really good writing team in Craig Kyle and Chris Yost. Don Payne who worked on the previous two films is no longer with us (RIP) and some of his other writing credits were nothing to brag about (the FF films). I would've liked to have seen Alan Taylor have another go with more creative freedom but for some reason, I also doubt that he will be back. So my thinking is that Thor 3 will be a bit different. If they do switch directors a third time, I just hope they keep all of the visual contributions from Taylor - in that respect alone he improved on the first film significantly.
     
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  14. The_Manhunter

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    Is it confirmed that CA3 is coming before Thor 3? I am going to be really dissapointed if that's true.
     
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  15. Ms. Marvel

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    Yeah, because they are rehiring the Cap 2 directors. They are better prepared for a Cap sequel than a Thor sequel.
     
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  16. Loki882

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    I'd love to see Marvel bring in JMS or Jason Aaron (or both) to help write the story for Thor 3, or at least as consultants. JMS's Thor run was awesome and Aaron's current run is also fantastic. They both get Thor and his world and I'm quite confident that they could come up with a much more interesting/engaging/ story than what we got in TDW (or even in the first film).
     
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    Sigh. I don't even know why people want 3 Cap movies. He's kind of a boring character.
     
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  18. Silvermoon

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    To you maybe, there are plenty of us that enjoy him and don't find him boring
     
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  19. First Avenger

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    Cap,like Thor,is an awesome character for me.
     
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  20. Ragnaroknroll

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    Agreed. Cap and Thor are two of my favorite Avengers and they also are my favorite films in the MCU right now (outside of Avengers of course). Brubaker's run was awesome as well. I hope the new film delivers. I am totally psyched about all the positive word of mouth it's getting.
     
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  21. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Cloud kicks ass

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    Exactly, the universe was ending and people are running around making jokes and Thor gets on a train, that scene in particular was awful stuff. The finale of Anchorman had more danger and stakes if felt like at times.

    Again, exactly, the humour was so poorly placed it ruined many moments in the movie that should have been important. There never seemed any tension or danger because of this and the final battle became really boring to me for the same reason. I just wish they hadnt made Taylor put more humour in as it nearly ruins the movie for me.
     
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    It... it's almost like different people like different things. What a concept!
     
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  23. herolee10

    herolee10 No More Miracles

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    I kind of wish we could find out what was in the original shooting script for this film since it seems like A LOT of stuff was cut out of this film, especially when you look at the "BTS" features.

    What I wouldn't give if an "extended" or even "Director's" cut of the film could be released for this film.
     
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  24. KRYPTON INC.

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    I still contend that the everything that takes place BEFORE the start of the film would have made a far better story to see than what we got. Imagine it... Thor, traveling around the Nine Realms, Sif and the Warriors Three in tow, leading the armies of Asgard on a mission to pacify places/kingdoms under the threat of chaos unleashed by Asgard not having the Bifrost to send it's forces out. Thor, having to lead both warriors into battle, and act as emissary of Odin to the other realms? C'mon... it already sounds like the potential is 100x the story in the actual film itself.
     
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  25. warriorking

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    Regardless of our feelings about aspects of the movie the numbers don't lie..TDW was a huge success and audiences loved it...

    Domestic: $206,195,536 32.1% + Foreign: $435,295,000 67.9% = Worldwide: $641,490,536
     
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