Here's the thing about Surtur, though: he doesn't "predate the universe itself," not by a long shot. Nor does he "plunge the world into darkness" --- he sets it on fire. Literally.
That synopsis seems to indicate (at least) two separate plots going on. First, he "battles to save Earth and all the Nine Realms from a shadowy enemy that predates the universe itself. In the aftermath of Marvel’s “Thor” and “Marvel’s The Avengers,” Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos." That sounds very much like the debut of Thanos, and the writers may make him even more ancient than the comics book do.
Then, you get a deliberate ellipsis...as in: "and then...." "but an ancient race led by the vengeful Malekith returns to plunge the universe back into darkness." As in, the second threat emerges with Malekith, Kurse and the Dark Elves.
....I love how just a few weeks ago everybody was shooting down my Surtur theory completely, and now you guys are jumping all over it.....bandwagoners.
Preeeeetty sure sam was saying that the third act of the movie would be an all out war between Surtur and Asgard, and that's what people were arguing against...
Preeeeetty sure sam was saying that the third act of the movie would be an all out war between Surtur and Asgard, and that's what people were arguing against...
No one said he wouldn't have a behind-the-scenes presence.
It would be lame to try to stuff Surtur in his entirety on top of Malekith, Kurse, and the Dark Elves. Somebody would get short-changed in the process. I'm all for Surtur's presence felt, but as the bridge to Thor 3.
There's no point in including Kurse if him fighting Thor and then turning on Malekith isn't the finale. A third act featuring a full-on appearance from Surtur makes the inclusion of Kurse entirely pointless.
If he's in it for more than a few minutes, it's a waste. Talk about Surtur in TDW and maybe even show him, but the confrontation between him, Odin, and Thor should be held off until Thor 3.
Malekith and Kurse are plenty to carry this movie.
but really though, the whole, shadowy enemy thing, to me suggests that he will be in the darkness most of the movie, maybe set up a third movie. But being a threat to odin and to asgard, to me, that sounds more like Surtur than Thanos
Except here's the thing: Surtur isn't in shadow. He's *never* in shadow. He's a Fire Giant in Muspellheim, and bathes permanently in molten lava. I don't see how terms like "dark" and "shadowy" could even remotely apply to a creature of pure flame.
The darkness that the synopsis refers to is not metaphorical; it is literal. This movie is about literal darkness....as it says, plunging the world into darkness. Darkness is not in Surtur's skillset. It *is,* however, within the bailiwick of The Dweller in Darkness. Who predates the universe. (And who is a straight ripoff of Cthulhu, by the way.)
There's no point in including Kurse if him fighting Thor and then turning on Malekith isn't the finale. A third act featuring a full-on appearance from Surtur makes the inclusion of Kurse entirely pointless.
I don't think so, necessarily. And my point isn't: they should do this, or they should do that. I'm looking forward to whatever it is, and they've already decided regardless.
But... all the pieces are there for the Surtur saga to be the basic story here. A looming threat that is too great even for Odin to deal with. The casket of ancient winters, Malekith, Algrim/Kurse.
It's still definitely possible that this movie will just be the first half of the story, though. And that could be the better choice. The thing is... Surtur is a "last act" sort of character anyway. He's never going to be around for the whole film.
If he's in it for more than a few minutes, it's a waste. Talk about Surtur in TDW and maybe even show him, but the confrontation between him, Odin, and Thor should be held off until Thor 3.
Malekith and Kurse are plenty to carry this movie.
Except here's the thing: Surtur isn't in shadow. He's *never* in shadow. He's a Fire Giant in Muspellheim, and bathes permanently in molten lava. I don't see how terms like "dark" and "shadowy" could even remotely apply to a creature of pure flame.
The darkness that the synopsis refers to is not metaphorical; it is literal. This movie is about literal darkness....as it says, plunging the world into darkness. Darkness is not in Surtur's skillset. It *is,* however, within the bailiwick of The Dweller in Darkness. Who predates the universe. (And who is a straight ripoff of Cthulhu, by the way.)
Except here's the thing: Surtur isn't in shadow. He's *never* in shadow. He's a Fire Giant in Muspellheim, and bathes permanently in molten lava. I don't see how terms like "dark" and "shadowy" could even remotely apply to a creature of pure flame.
Wait a second, he's not an alien! He just has a condition. t:
yeah, but don't take it so literally. The reason I think it points to Surtur is because, yeah of course shadow, and shade doesn't describe Surtur. But by "shadowy enemy" I actually do think it was metaphorically. I think it just meant, the behind the scenes threat. It is a synopsis, ya know? I think that it shouldn't be read into too deeply
Marvels Thor: The DARK World continues the big-screen adventures of Thor, the Mighty Avenger, as he battles to save Earth and all the Nine Realms from a SHADOWY enemy that predates the universe itself. In the aftermath of Marvels Thor and Marvels The Avengers, Thor fights to restore order across the cosmos but an ancient race led by the vengeful Malekith returns to plunge the universe back into DARKNESS. Faced with an enemy that even Odin and Asgard cannot withstand, Thor must embark on his most perilous and personal journey yet, one that will reunite him with Jane Foster and force him to sacrifice everything to save us all.
Sorry, but that ain't metaphor.
And the synopsis don't stutter when it says "enemy that predates the universe itself." You can count on the fingers of one six-fingered hand the cosmic entities who might fit that bill (Galactus, The One Above All, Dweller In Darkness, Eternity, The Watcher, The Living Tribunal). Thanos (a Titan) and Surtur (a Fire Giant) and Malekith (a Dark Elf) and Kurse (another Dark Elf in funky armor) don't even remotely come close to "predating the universe itself."
Yeah, being that Galactus is a non-option, it seems to accurately describe any number of Doctor Strange villains, but few others.
Though it perfectly describes Dweller in Darkness, it would be odd for him to be added at this point. With Loki, Malekith/Kurse/Svartalfheim and Thanos already on the table. I'm not saying impossible, just surprising to me.
The Beyonder might Predate the universe since he's not from our universe and space and time don't exist for him. It would be nice if marvel introduced the existence of the other gods of the Marvel universe.