Thor 3 official!

[MahvelBaby!]

Yost and Craig Kyle writing, wasn't sure where else to post this http://www.superherohype.com/news/2...ith-craig-kyle-and-christopher-yost-scripting

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Hard to believe how far MS has come in just over five years.

 

[Tymminator]

There was no doubt.

 

[KDM1986]

Ragnarok here we come.

 

[spideymouse]

There was no doubt.

In 2010, there was doubt.

But now we're riding a full-steam Loki-motive towards a fifth movie (likely within a 6-year span) containing a red-caped, hammer-wielding Norse God/superhero! What an incredible time to be a superhero movie fan!

 

[Slushy]

The Darker World

 

[Lord]

I hope this one is handles the storyline better, Dark world was fun but could have been better, whoever the villain is, he needs to be more interesting, if it is Surtur, then make him threatening enough. They also need to not be afraid of making a long film, if this is going to be an epic conclusion, then it needs in least 2 hours, possibly a bit more, depending one how the story and action goes.

Frankly, Thor hasn't had a trully incredible film the same way Iron Man has had, and while Cap wasn't much better, that one still had an amazingly good first half, i hope to see the next Thor to up the quality.

 

[Mysteryman]

The Darker World

To be followed byThe Darkest World !

 

[kaijukurt]

Nice to hear.

This would probably take Marvel's May 2016 slot I guess? (unless Batman/Superman forces a date change)

 

[Silver Surfer]

I doubt Ragnarok happens in Thor 3 because it comes out before TA3. Marvel won't kill Asgard off before the final battle with Thanos

 

[Mjölnir]

The Darker World

I think it will be The Dark World Rises.

 

[one4smoke]

I hope this one is handles the storyline better, Dark world was fun but could have been better, whoever the villain is, he needs to be more interesting, if it is Surtur, then make him threatening enough. They also need to not be afraid of making a long film, if this is going to be an epic conclusion, then it needs in least 2 hours, possibly a bit more, depending one how the story and action goes.

Frankly, Thor hasn't had a trully incredible film the same way Iron Man has had, and while Cap wasn't much better, that one still had an amazingly good first half, i hope to see the next Thor to up the quality.

Really?!? You thought the FIRST half of CA was the best half?

 

[Wildcard]

Yeah, I think Thor, aside from Iron Man, has had the best movie to date (in terms of origin films). In terms of sequels, when compared to IM2, I think TDW still wins for numerous reasons.....so while I of course agree they should be focusing on quality with T3, I don't necessarily think there's any *major* improvements that need to be made.

They've been able to introduce Thor as an interesting character & expand on his mythology in a way that keeps people intrigued, so I'd say they are on the right track.

Bring on Ragnarok.

 

[Lord]

Really?!? You thought the FIRST half of CA was the best half?

Uhm, yes. It was very well made, made good use of the pulpy setting, introduced well the characters and who the main character really was, had fun and was different from the norm. Are you implying that the second half was better? It had more action, but it was certainly not better than the first one, trying to do too much in too little time. Very disapointing

 

[one4smoke]

Uhm, yes. It was very well made, made good use of the pulpy setting, introduced well the characters and who the main character really was, had fun and was different from the norm. Are you implying that the second half was better? It had more action, but it was certainly not better than the first one, trying to do too much in too little time. Very disapointing

I really did care very much for either half, honestly. But the second half was more interesting to me. CA just didn't do it for me. Sorry to those that it did. I think Iron Man and Thor are miles above it.

 

[seahammer]

One of the complaints I've heard regarding T:TDW is that it focused more on Loki's character arc than Thor's. Whether that assessment of T:TDW is true or not, I hope they approach Thor 3 from Thor's character growth.

To that end, I think Thor will make the personal sacrifice and end up on the throne of Asgard by the end of the film. I think Odin will die, Loki will be revealed as the villain he is AGAIN, and Thor will realize that he has to put the needs of his realm above his personal desires (or Jane dies, too, and Thor has less of a personal reason to stay on Earth...). We could get a more mature Thor out of this, and it seems like the only logical way to go.

Also, I think a ballsy move on Marvel's part would be to do a "Reigning"-style story for Thor 4, if one were to happen (Thor parks Asgard above NYC to better protect Midgard.). I've been thinking a lot about compelling ways to take Thor's character forward in the MCU, and something like that would definitely be a bold step.

Of course, a close adaptation of The Reigning wouldn't really work for many, many reasons, and I don't think it's the only way to go if Thor does end up on the throne at the end of Thor 3... it was just a passing thought.

Regardless of Thor 3's plot, where would you guys like to see Thor's character arc/conflict/growth go in the next movie(s)?

 

[BigThor]

^

A "reigning" style story could make for an epic superhero film unlike any other, very ballsy indeed. If they were to make a Thor 4 I really couldn't see any other story being used honestly.

 

[seahammer]

^

A "reigning" style story could make for an epic superhero film unlike any other, very ballsy indeed. If they were to make a Thor 4 I really couldn't see any other story being used honestly.

Yeah, I just see it as the best way to show that Thor has been learning from his experiences/time on Earth, and has the best intentions, but is still fallible (since he so often plays the straight man to Loki or the other more "human" heroes).

I don't think it will happen, but it would be a meaty role for Hemsworth to end the franchise on.

 

[Lord]

I really did care very much for either half, honestly. But the second half was more interesting to me. CA just didn't do it for me. Sorry to those that it did. I think Iron Man and Thor are miles above it.

It's not really about preferering something for whatever reason, that first half was simply better filmmaking. Second half was nothing more than flashes of battles while Thor was ok at best.

 

[seahammer]

Hey guys, here's my in-depth idea for the plot of Thor 3. Warning: it's super long. I know this sort of thing annoys some people, so if you're one of those, feel free to skip it.

I don't know if all of these ideas would work in a 2-2.5 hour film, but I think it's possible. I introduce a slew of new supporting characters, but I also leave out some characters from the first two films. Some elements are straight from my wish list, but that's okay because this is a total fanwank-ish project

Spoiler

Thor 3 overview: more of a “quest” narrative structure than a superhero plot structure. In this, Thor is actually a “reluctant hero,” content with staying out of the business of Asgard and living the simple life on Earth. Through his journey, he learns that he cannot abandon his responsibilities (it’s not enough to just be a “good man” when the fate of the nine realms rests on you, unfair though it may seem).

PROLOGUE: Surtur in Muspelheim “DOOM!” hammering [this should be revisited periodically between key scenes throughout act 1 and 2 to show how Surtur’s army is growing]. Unlike the previous Thor movie prologues, I wouldn’t have Odin narrating this. Partly to underscore the fact that Odin isn’t around, and partly to highlight the primal, stark power of Surtur.

ACT I: Thor on Earth with Jane. He is content with his life there. Think of how Thor was acting at the end of Thor1, when he was humble and enjoying the simple life, like making eggs for his friends, etc. Sif arrives suddenly and says “Odin” is running Asgard into ground w/ strange advisors (Amora & Skurge). She says that Thor is needed but she suggests he return not by the “front door” because Odin might not welcome him back. Sif stays to watch over Jane at Thor’s request, with tension between the two. Thor returns to Asgard not via the Bifrost, but through Nornheim (via Karnilla’s magic).

In Nornheim, Thor meets Balder, the long-time ambassador from Asgard, and Karnilla, sorceress and leader of Nornheim. They fill Thor in on how things have gone downhill. Many of Asgard’s faithful have fled or (those who did not succumb to the strength of Skurge or the seduction of Amora, like the W3) been banished. They have sought refuge on other worlds, like in Nornheim (in the MCU, I’d make Nornheim the home of the Valkyrior). Karnilla also warns the she feels a great evil growing with sights set on Asgard, and urges that if Thor loves what Odin/Asgard once stood for, he must get through to Odin (or says “for the good of all the universe, Odin must stand against this evil, etc).

Thor sneaks into Asgard through the troll caverns. He runs afoul of Ulik, and defeats him after a brief but destructive battle. By the time the fight with Ulik ends, Thor has caught the attention of “Odin” and is retrieved by the Einherjar, who are waiting for him when the dust settles. They are led by Skurge; Thor and Skurge briefly skirmish, but Thor stops fighting when he sees that the Einherjar seem not to be themselves. During their battle, Skurge boasts that he is the “new champion of Asgard,” and demonstrates that his axe is as powerful as Mjolnir (so he believes). After he surrenders, Thor is brought back to Asgard.

ACT II: Asgard is dirty, no longer the “Golden Realm.” The citizens seem downtrodden, & somehow hypnotized or in a trance. Thor is brought before “Odin,” who bids that all but Skurge and Amora leave. Thor pleads that Odin snap out of it to prepare for the coming evil, but “Odin” reveals himself to be Loki. Thor is ready to kill Loki, until Loki reveals that Odin is alive, but hidden away (in Niffleheim, a dark and dingy word of ancient cities—the same place the Aether was hidden in TDW; also, for the MCU, combined with Hel…?). Loki acknowledges that he knows an evil is coming. It is Surtur, coming to light his Twilight Sword with the Eternal Flame (seen in Odin’s vault in Thor1), which will destroy the Nine Realms. Loki has been using Amora to enslave an army for Asgard, but he knows that it won’t be enough and concedes that he needs Odin. He says that only Thor can retrieve him. As insurance, Loki reveals that he has Sif and Jane as prisoners (Heimdall, enthralled by Amora, pulled them there using the Bifrost; there was no fight; magic is not a fair or honorable way to fight in a world of warriors, but that’s how Loki operates).

Thor sets out for Niffleheim via the Bifrost, but must navigate the dead world upon his arrival. He is immediately surrounded by the denizens of Niffleheim, and must battle through the endless hordes until they are stopped by their master (Hela? Or perhaps some other Thor foe here…), who makes a bargain to return Odin, on the condition that “The Son of Odin” take his place upon his death. Thor agrees. Odin is weak beyond belief. They return to Asgard.

Loki restrains Thor and takes Odin, revealing his true plan was to siphon the remaining Odinforce into himself using Amora’s help. At this time, Karnilla, Balder, and the Warriors 3 arrive with the Valkyrior (via Pegasusi) and attack to reclaim Asgard. This was their plan all along, arranged by Thor before he left. Karnilla and Balder are an equal match for Amora and Skurge, while Thor fights Loki, the W3 find and release Jane and Sif from captivity, and the Valkyrior fight the Einherjar forces. Jane and Sif team up with Karnilla on Amora, who is defeated (maybe Jane does something science-y, or maybe Sif sneaks up while she’s distracted and runs her through). With Amore dead or incapacitated, Skurge, the Einherjar, and everyone else in Asgard are released from their enthrallment, just as Surtur’s forces arrive. Loki runs into hiding.

ACT III: Surtur’s forces storm into Asgard over the rainbow bridge. Heimdall puts up a valiant fight but is gravely injured, the first casualty against Surtur himself: a towering being of fire taller than Asgard’s great hall; a true force of nature, unlike anything the Asgardians (or audience) have ever seen before. Thor, Sif, Balder, and the W3, with Skurge behind them, reach the end of the rainbow bridge; Thor flies out to Heimdall’s observatory and grabs him, then circles around Surtur to truly take in his scope before returning to the others. When he lands with the W3, Skurge says “I’ll hold the bridge,” and the others are forced to trust him as they fall back to the great hall. Skurge fights singlehandedly and eventually makes the ultimate sacrifice as Surtur’s forces overwhelm him, but he buys the others enough time to escape.

Meanwhile, Jane and Karnilla have Odin in a healing room and have helped him regain some power. He is still weak, but he says he must face Surtur alone. Thor arrives and says Odin will not be alone. Jane reasons that if Amora was able to siphon Odin’s power, there must be a way to do the opposite, and combine the powers of Odin and Thor. Karnilla says she can do that, and it might work. Just then, Loki comes out of hiding and says “That won’t be enough. I’ll stand with you today.”

Thor, Odin, and Loki move to the highest tower of the great hall, with Karnilla by their side. Sif guards Jane, but Jane takes up a sword herself; they have a mutual respect now. Below, fire demons fight with Valkyrior in the sky as the Warriors 3 lead battalions of Einherjar on the ground. Karnilla begins an incantation, as Surtur continues to lay waste to Asgard left and right. Surtur has approached the great hall. He looms above the tower upon which our heroes stand and raises the Twilight Sword above his head with both hands. Karnilla completes her incantation, and a massive Godblast emanates from Odin, Thor, and Loki. It is blinding.

When we can see again, Surtur staggers backwards, dropping the now broken Twilight Sword, his own flames diminished. Thor takes flight and delivers blow after blow with Mjolnir in hand, mercilessly striking with lightning bolts from space, unleashing all his might, until Surtur is pushed back beyond Heimdall’s destroyed observatory and falls into the chasm of space. Thor returns to the tower. Odin has collapsed. He dies.

EPILOGUE: Asgard is in ruins. Thor takes the throne in a solemn ceremony that is a sad echo of the coronation scene that opened the first film. Thor banishes Loki (to Niffleheim, repaying Hela with a “son of Odin”), and returns Jane to Midgard in a move of self-sacrifice. Whether he wants it or not, it is his responsibility to lead/rebuild Asgard. He vows to return to earth if it is in jeopardy, but he cannot abandon his responsibilities for love or personal bliss again. The character journey Thor began in the first film has reached a logical conclusion.

Let me know what you guys think. Obviously this is total fanfic overkill, and all straight from my mind/the comics, and is likely very different from what Yost and Kyle are actually writing for the MCU... but what ideas would you like to see make it into the actual film?

 

[First Avenger]

Seahammer,you need to send this to yost's Twitter right now!

 

[seahammer]

Seahammer,you need to send this to yost's Twitter right now!

Thanks, First Avenger! I hope Yost can outdo me... or I hope that Marvel puts me on the payroll

 

[First Avenger]

I was being serious!yost has a twitter account and you really should show this to him because it is brilliant.

 

[The_Manhunter]

You could ask him to cut Midgard as well!

If you didn't notice my other thread I explain myself there lol

 

[seahammer]

I was being serious!yost has a twitter account and you really should show this to him because it is brilliant.

I don't have a twitter account, but you have my permission to send him a link to my post . Honestly, though, I don't expect that he would read it even if you did send it to him. If I were a professional writer, I wouldn't read fan submitted work for a number of reasons.

You could ask him to cut Midgard as well!

If you didn't notice my other thread I explain myself there lol

I just responded to you in the other thread, Manhunter. Read my plot above to see how much time I think Thor should be on Midgard.