Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[Venom'sDad]

I read a quote from Cate Blanchett that made me think quite a bit about the destruction of mjolnir and what happens afterwards.

Spoiler

I'm now of the opinion that "Soul Stone" is/was inside Mjolnir all along. My theory is that i think the "Soul Stone" used to belong to Hela. It was the source of her power and it makes total sense since she is/was the Goddess of Death and ruler of a realm with the souls of the dead. And this would line up with other powerful artifacts that we're in the Nine Realms like the "Casket of Ancient Winters" that belonged to Laufey in the first Thor and the "Aether aka Reality Stone" in the hands of Malektih.

When Hela fought against the Valkyries she was in the "height of her power". She had the headress and the suit/armour was totally 100%. We know that Hela has been imprisioned which i am guessing has to do with that battle against the Valkyries as well. My guess is that Odin came in and was able to imprison a weakened Hela by taking the "Soul Stone" out of her possession. I think that Odin put it into Mjolnir and used the worthiness enchantment to have it secure in there and the "Soul Stone" would always recognized who was worthy or not. Also he knew it would be secure in Thor hands and would provide his son a powerful weapon.

When Hela arrives on Earth she doesn't have the headress only normal hair and the suit/armour is all torn apart filled with holes. She in that form is able to grab Mjolnir easily and crush it. I think that has to do with Hela being the rightful owner of the "Soul Stone" and with that being "worthy" of the hammer since what inside was her's all along.

When she destroys Mjolnir she absorbs a orange essence that gives her back the headress and a fully fixed and 100% looking suit/armour. We know that the "Soul Stone" is orange, we have seen the color before...

I have to say...I love this theory. Best one put forth thus far.

 

[Bren]

Wouldn't be against that....

 

[BigThor]

It would just be so random because Mjolnir hasn't demonstrated any abiliies associated with that.

 

[HammerDown]

My theory would fall further in line with what we think is going to happen with Thor in the movie. Him discovering his power from within. That mjolnir was only a powerful weapon to harness and channel is power through.

The "Soul" of the hammer would be what recognized the inner power of Thor. What made him being able to be the God of Thunder more easily. What made him exteorize all his might and power. Thor probably relied too much on Mjolnir because he became acostumed to it. The destruction of Mjolnir would motivate Thor in his "trip of self discovery" to become aware that he his indeed the God of Thunder with or without a weapon.

Also the enchantment from Odin would make even more sense because Odin being as powerful as he is would be talking to a sentient object and order it to recognized the worthiness of its wielder by looking into the "Soul" of that person.

The brand new origin for Mjolnir in the comics also lands validity to what I am theorizing. That there is a "soul" to the hammer.

 

[BigThor]

My theory would fall further in line with what we think is going to happen with Thor in the movie. Him discovering his power from within. That mjolnir was only a powerful weapon to harness and channel is power through.

The "Soul" of the hammer would be what recognized the inner power of Thor. What made him being able to be the God of Thunder more easily. What made him exteorize all his might and power. Thor probably relied too much on Mjolnir because he became acostumed to it. The destruction of Mjolnir would motivate Thor in his "trip of self discovery" to become aware that he his indeed the God of Thunder with or without a weapon.

Also the enchantment from Odin would make even more sense because Odin being as powerful as he is would be talking to a sentient object and order it to recognized the worthiness of its wielder by looking into the "Soul" of that person.

The brand new origin for Mjolnir in the comics also lands validity to what I am theorizing. That there is a "soul" to the hammer.

Very well put.

 

[Iceman]

My theory would fall further in line with what we think is going to happen with Thor in the movie. Him discovering his power from within. That mjolnir was only a powerful weapon to harness and channel is power through.

The "Soul" of the hammer would be what recognized the inner power of Thor. What made him being able to be the God of Thunder more easily. What made him exteorize all his might and power. Thor probably relied too much on Mjolnir because he became acostumed to it. The destruction of Mjolnir would motivate Thor in his "trip of self discovery" to become aware that he his indeed the God of Thunder with or without a weapon.

Also the enchantment from Odin would make even more sense because Odin being as powerful as he is would be talking to a sentient object and order it to recognized the worthiness of its wielder by looking into the "Soul" of that person.

The brand new origin for Mjolnir in the comics also lands validity to what I am theorizing. That there is a "soul" to the hammer.

I love your theory and hope we get exactly that.

 

[BigThor]

I've never been big on the Infinity Stones, I feel they take away from characters independent abilities.

I'm not sure if I want ANY if Thor's abilities go ever have been involved in an Infinity Stone.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Except if we go with HammerDown's explanation, we get the best of both worlds. Thor's power always came from within, Mjolnir was just a catalyst for manifesting that power. It's not even the Infinity Stone generating any power for him, it's literally just acting as a worthiness limiter. And the worthiness clause I would hardly consider one of Thor's "abilities".

As for that not falling in line with a stone's abilities, keep in mind that Red Skull used the space stone exclusively to power laser weapons, Thanos shoved the mind stone into a scepter, and Malekith only made stupid darkness goop with the freaking reality stone. Like, it's got to be capable of so much more than that, but like with the other stones it probably depends on the user's knowledge of its capabilities, how they decide to harness it's power (such as the proposed Odin turning the soul stone into a hammer's glorified biometric scanner and Thanos hiding the mind stone while lending it to Loki), and the user's mastery. Thanos will probably be utilizing all the stones to their greater potential in Infinity War.

 

[Mjölnir]

If this turns out to be true it will be interesting to see what it means for Mjolnir in the future, as we can be fairly sure of that it comes back in IW. That should be without the Stone since I can't imagine they break the hammer twice in consecutive films.

 

[Iceman]

I don't really want to see it broken ever again.

 

[Inhuman117]

I don't really want to see it broken ever again.

Well for they who have watched the Leaked SDCC Infinity War Trailer it seems we won't see the Hammer for a Long Time

 

[scarlet-witch]

I feel weird about going so long without Mjilnor.

I don't think I want the stone to be in it either, Thor should be powerful on his own without any other aid.

 

[metaphysician]

I continue to maintain that the entire theory is still tautological, with the only evidence for the theory coming from the theory itself. There is no actual evidence to suggest Mjolnir had any such thing inside it. This isn't the Scepter where at least what it did, fit within the theme of the Stone.

 

[RoastBeast]

Spoiler

With the orange 'mist' it sure makes sense that she picks up the Soul Stone in that alley... I'm not sure its in the hammer, though. It might be related to that 4th alley figure that seems to be in the mix. I'm thinking Odin- there's probably more to the intense need to find Odin other than missing dear old dad.

dear experts: can Infinity Stone be broken into smaller pieces and kept that way (like when the Aether shattered, but not coalescing)?

 

[Tg11]

"Thor I sense a great change in your future. Destiny has dire plans for you, my friend!"

 

[Set]

It would just be so random because Mjolnir hasn't demonstrated any abiliies associated with that.

The stones seem to be generic McGuffins, when it's called for.

The *Mind Stone* after all gave Pietro super-speed, which isn't a terribly 'mind-y' thing.

Plus linking the stone to Mjolnir and then revealing that Thor can channel the thunder without the hammer (as he does in the trailer), removes any real connection between the stone and the weather control anyway.

 

[Mjölnir]

The stones seem to be generic McGuffins, when it's called for.

The *Mind Stone* after all gave Pietro super-speed, which isn't a terribly 'mind-y' thing.

Plus linking the stone to Mjolnir and then revealing that Thor can channel the thunder without the hammer (as he does in the trailer), removes any real connection between the stone and the weather control anyway.

I'd say that Hydra's experiments with Pietro and Wanda was probably more unlocking hidden potential rather than infusing them with the power of the Mind Stone. While they can't be called mutants for rights reasons they are still probably meant to have had that potential within themselves.

 

[chromehorn]

I was checking today if I could preorder tickets. AMC app said run time was 2:10. Is that confirmed, or was 1:40 confirmed?

 

[BigThor]

I was checking today if I could preorder tickets. AMC app said run time was 2:10. Is that confirmed, or was 1:40 confirmed?

2 hours and 10 minutes is the confirmed runtime.

 

[Krystal]

No!

 

[HammerDown]

Thor Ragnarok calendar.

 

[legendkillin]

Thor Ragnarok calendar.

Would have been great if they put the IWs release as a holiday on there.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[HammerDown]

That final bit cracked me up.t:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N3VONJxZEl8

 

[Kev4000]

A good one!